Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you think it is gods that cause people to blow each other up. Gods are just an excuse.
Would the workd be better off or worse if there were no religion?
after all the debating over religion like right here on this thread for example proves my answer to yes.
Reading this thread is an example of what religion does to people when it is shared with one another.
Originally posted by chomperx9
after all the debating over religion like right here on this thread for example proves my answer to yes.Reading this thread is an example of what religion does to people when it is shared with one another.
Getting rid of religion to prevent war is like getting rid of sports to prevent bar fights.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisondebating over sports and tv stars and movie stars or anything that involves entertainment would never get to the point where its just a dramatic as discussing religion.
Getting rid of religion to prevent war is like getting rid of sports to prevent bar fights.
Houston is not gonna go drop a bomb on LA because the Lakers are better.
ermm however that might be a way to beat them though
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Getting rid of religion to prevent war is like getting rid of sports to prevent bar fights.
Originally posted by chomperx9
debating over sports and tv stars and movie stars or anything that involves entertainment would never get to the point where its just a dramatic as discussing religion.Houston is not gonna go drop a bomb on LA because the Lakers are better.
ermm however that might be a way to beat them though
It was an analogy. And a fitting one, imo.
In the Developed World I'd say sports can be more volatile than relgion in some cases.
Originally posted by chomperx9
debating over sports and tv stars and movie stars or anything that involves entertainment would never get to the point where its just a dramatic as discussing religion.Houston is not gonna go drop a bomb on LA because the Lakers are better.
ermm however that might be a way to beat them though
Originally posted by Omega Visionwhen have countries ever attacked one another over fanboyism with sports ?
In the Developed World I'd say sports can be more volatile than relgion in some cases.
anytime theres a fight in a bar over sports its not spread out all over the nation and doesnt make other team fans dislike the other one more.
and if you do dislike a team do you go around harassing other fans to dislike that team and convince others to be fans of your team ? I hope your answer is NO
but with religion people non stop try to convince one another what they think is right from what book they read or where ever they got their info from their religion.
Now I agree you dont want to say the Lakers suck at a bar in LA but thats just gonna effect the people in there not every lakers fan across the nation.
Originally posted by chomperx9
when have countries ever attacked one another over fanboyism with sports ?anytime theres a fight in a bar over sports its not spread out all over the nation and doesnt make other team fans dislike the other one more.
and if you do dislike a team do you go around harassing other fans to dislike that team and convince others to be fans of your team ? I hope your answer is NO
but with religion people non stop try to convince one another what they think is right from what book they read or where ever they got their info from their religion.
Now I agree you dont want to say the Lakers suck at a bar in LA but thats just gonna effect the people in there not every lakers fan across the nation.
Not exactly what you were asking about, but the point is you shouldn't underestimate what sports can do.
Originally posted by chomperx9
when have countries ever attacked one another over fanboyism with sports ?anytime theres a fight in a bar over sports its not spread out all over the nation and doesnt make other team fans dislike the other one more.
and if you do dislike a team do you go around harassing other fans to dislike that team and convince others to be fans of your team ? I hope your answer is NO
but with religion people non stop try to convince one another what they think is right from what book they read or where ever they got their info from their religion.
Now I agree you dont want to say the Lakers suck at a bar in LA but thats just gonna effect the people in there not every lakers fan across the nation.
Originally posted by chomperx9
I still think its a bad comparison to how people handle religion with one another
Analogies aren't a 1-to-1 comparison. A bar fight is metaphoric for war, just as sports are metaphoric for religion. It's the relationship between them that is the same, not the severity. Do I really have to explain to you how analogies work? How does your point invalidate shakya's analogy, or his conclusion that removing religion would not remove war? it doesn't. You simply aren't understanding the point correctly, and the fact that you keep pressing the issue of "people don't kill over sports" is simply proving my point.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8831046128904338535#
Ross Kemp: On Gangs - Poland
Ross travels to Poland to visit the Polish football hooligans who have become some of the most feared gangs in Europe. Ross joins an elite police riot squad as they escort a notoriously violent hooligan gang and travels to Gorzów, to meet the leaders of the brutal Stilon Fighters.
Originally posted by DigiNever said it would stop all wars but the world woud me more preaceful. A huge majority of the wars in the past have been over religion. there are people in the midlde east killing eachother every day over debates over their gods.
Analogies aren't a 1-to-1 comparison. A bar fight is metaphoric for war, just as sports are metaphoric for religion. It's the relationship between them that is the same, not the severity. Do I really have to explain to you how analogies work? How does your point invalidate shakya's analogy, or his conclusion that removing religion would not remove war? it doesn't. You simply aren't understanding the point correctly, and the fact that you keep pressing the issue of "people don't kill over sports" is simply proving my point.
I dont have a problem with religion or people believing what they think is right I just think religion needs to be kept to ones self and not leave family. everyone has there own beliefs and you can never change that.
understand ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War
and does that happen every day ? NO
does killing over ones belief over their gods happen every day ? YES
Originally posted by chomperx9
Right but when has the world taken things to a physical level over sports compared to religion ?
inimalist just linked to an investigation about murderous football (soccer) fans in Poland. These are people so out of control that when the police don't get bum-rushed right off the bat it's seen as a good day.
Besides, Digi's point was that it was an analogy. There don't have to be murders over sports for it to work.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosmaybe its just u guys cant accept my point That there is much much more drama and physical violence every day over religion compared to sports.
You're moving the goal posts, which is a very extreme and obvious logical fallacy.
sure there will aways be sports fights, there will always be fights over over TV or movie stars or who knows kids fighting over who is cooler batman or spiderman or anything involving personal likes. but none of those things reach to a point where countries start to despise one another and attack one over fanboyism.
yeah i saw the link with the football war and how often does that happen ?
Originally posted by chomperx9
maybe its just u guys cant accept my point That there is much much more drama and physical violence every day over religion compared to sports.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that point
Shakey's analogy was, literally, that if you took away sports, people would still get into bar fights.
Similarily, if you took away religion, people would still fight wars.
It has nothing to do with whether sports or religion produces more violence, but with what motivates the violence we see in either instance.
Originally posted by inimalistYes even without religion some people desire to be worshipped. The wars would be started when two leaders with minds like this disagree.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that pointShakey's analogy was, literally, that if you took away sports, people would still get into bar fights.
Similarily, if you took away religion, people would still fight wars.
It has nothing to do with whether sports or religion produces more violence, but with what motivates the violence we see in either instance.
Originally posted by inimalistI know that and i answered above there will still be wars going on for sure over different topics but a huge % of the violence from one country to another would be decreased if there was no religon. A huge % of wars and killings go on everyday over religion. not saying there isnt murders every day over money or for drugs or just for the hell of it. Just saying it would make a difference.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that pointShakey's analogy was, literally, that if you took away sports, people would still get into bar fights.
Similarily, if you took away religion, people would still fight wars.
It has nothing to do with whether sports or religion produces more violence, but with what motivates the violence we see in either instance.
and reason i replied it was a stupid comparison is because if there is a fight in a bar over sports like some knicks fan knocked out a lakers fan the city of LA is not gonna go attack NY to defend their home team now.