Would the world be better off or worse if there were no religion?

Originally posted by chomperx9
I know that and i answered above there will still be wars going on for sure over different topics but a huge % of the violence from one country to another would be decreased if there was no religon. A huge % of wars and killings go on everyday over religion. not saying there isnt murders every day over money or for drugs or just for the hell of it. Just saying it would make a difference.

most wars aren't over religion at all.

statistically speaking, more people die from coconuts falling each year than religious terrorism.

Originally posted by inimalist
most wars aren't over religion at all.

statistically speaking, more people die from coconuts falling each year than religious terrorism.

Understand ?

Originally posted by chomperx9
Never said it would stop all wars but the world woud me more preaceful. A huge majority of the wars in the past have been over religion. there are people in the midlde east killing eachother every day over debates over their gods.

I dont have a problem with religion or people believing what they think is right I just think religion needs to be kept to ones self and not leave family. everyone has there own beliefs and you can never change that.

understand ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War
and does that happen every day ? NO

does killing over ones belief over their gods happen every day ? YES

I'm in agreement with you, I think getting rid of religion would do more good than harm, and I agree that religion causes more violence than sports. You changed our discussion by questioning me on a point that I never had contention with.

My point was simply that you didn't understand the analogy, and the fact that you're still trying to hang your hat upon the differences in severity between the two realms (sports and religion) shows me you still don't get it, or at least aren't adequately explaining that you do.

Originally posted by chomperx9
OMG I know that there is multiple reasons why people die every year but a huge % of violence across the world comes from others not agreeing to one anothers beliefs.

Understand ?

I'd imagine isntances of violence motivated specifically by religion are a very low percentage of all violence

but whatever, i get what you are saying

Originally posted by chomperx9
OMG I know that there is multiple reasons why people die every year but a huge % of violence across the world comes from others not agreeing to one anothers beliefs.

Understand ?

Originally posted by Digi
I'm in agreement with you, I think getting rid of religion would do more good than harm, and I agree that religion causes more violence than sports. You changed our discussion by questioning me on a point that I never had contention with.

My point was simply that you didn't understand the analogy, and the fact that you're still trying to hang your hat upon the differences in severity between the two realms (sports and religion) shows me you still don't get it, or at least aren't adequately explaining that you do.

I understood completely what he said.

Getting rid of religion to prevent war is like getting rid of sports to prevent bar fights

Taking away sports would decrease the % of bar fights. Taking away religion would take away a % of wars

adding things and taking away things always makes a difference. sometimes it can make a small difference sometimes big.

Originally posted by chomperx9
I understood completely what he said.

yes i know there would still be bar fights without sports and there will still be wars without religion.

Taking away sports would decrease the % of bar fights. Taking away religion would take away a % of wars

adding things and taking away things always makes a difference. sometimes it can make a small difference sometimes big.

Horray! So why argue over severity if you got the point in the first place? Of course sports don't engender the same level of violence as religion. No one will ever debate you on that, except to point out that there is violence in both (which has indeed been mentioned).

But sure, some wars would go away. Others wouldn't. Coconuts would continue to rape our populace either way, so let's focus on the real threat coming from the tropics....

fdog

after reading this im most deffinetely still sticking to my previous answer to the thread title.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/29/5543912-christian-woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy

Originally posted by chomperx9
after reading this im most deffinetely still sticking to my previous answer to the thread title.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/29/5543912-christian-woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy

How would you get rid of all religions? If you formed an army and killed every religious person in the world, you would become for more evil then any religion that has ever been on the face of the Earth. After all religions are people, and not something abstract.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How would you get rid of all religions? If you formed an army and killed every religious person in the world, you would become for more evil then any religion that has ever been on the face of the Earth. After all religions are people, and not something abstract.

Getting rid of religion is almost like getting rid of gravity.

Impossible for the most part.

Originally posted by chomperx9
so i guess you dont have a problem with what happend to that christian lady. Yeah discussing religion with others sure as hell looks like it brings peace. 🙄

That is a totally different argument. We need better religions in the world, would be the answer to that question.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Getting rid of religion is almost like getting rid of gravity.

Impossible for the most part.

Religion would never end I understand that but I just dont agree on sharing it with others who have different beliefs. its not your job or duty to encourage others to believe in what you do.

Originally posted by chomperx9
its not your job or duty to encourage others to believe in what you do.

While this position in commendable in moderation it doesn't make for a good general principle. Imagine a samurai that wishes to test his sword by cutting down the first peasant he sees. Surely you have a duty to get him to not do that?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
While this position in commendable in moderation it doesn't make for a good general principle. Imagine a samurai that wishes to test his sword by cutting down the first peasant he sees. Surely you have a duty to get him to not do that?

How can I pose this to you in a relatable way? Hmm, you are all members of the Yakuza and you happen to be visiting the Lackawanna trolley museum... and you are attacked by triads... how can you hold them off until your clan arrives?

Wow were actually arguing that religon causes more good than harm? I thought this thread was retarded, religon doesn't do shit people do.

And Nazism doesn't do shit, people do. Yet, I think the world would definitely have been better off without the influence Nazis have had.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How can I pose this to you in a relatable way? Hmm, you are all members of the Yakuza and you happen to be visiting the Lackawanna trolley museum... and you are attacked by triads... how can you hold them off until your clan arrives?

I think I understand . . . but let me answer your metaphor with another metaphor. Do I get a katana (made of Emmanuel Kant's spine) or a uzi (with bullets forged from the blood of Ayn Rand)?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think I understand . . . but let me answer your metaphor with another metaphor. Do I get a katana (made of Emmanuel Kant's spine) or a uzi (with bullets forged from the blood of Ayn Rand)?

Lol, that's good.

But I for my part just made a comment on odd or far-fetched examples by quoting the Office. Now I feel stupid and lazy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And Nazism doesn't do shit, people do. Yet, I think the world would definitely have been better off without the influence Nazis have had.

Thank you for reinforcing my point. You probably think you weren't doing that.