Originally posted by golem370
It was suppose to have stolen power from Morg I believe or maybe the other captivies.
If this is truly how powerful Thanos was, how well would Odin, or Seth do against Thanos toting not only his personal power, but being amplified by Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Morg, Ganymede, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, and Terrax? Tyrant in this case didn't seem to view Thanos with this level of power as a serious threat.
Again Thanos didn't employ this level of power, when he faced Odin, nor did he seem to feel a need to do so. Did Thanos somehow lack the foresight to prepare himself? That idea would seem out of character for the Titan in my opinion. Would you agree?
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i heard the orb just simply gave him knowledge
I just re-read it, and I saw nothing to indicate that it did not amplify his power, he did gain knowledge, but only after hooking the orb up to his ship (at least it was my take on things). Also at the end Tyrant seemed to be the winner of the battle in more ways than one. Honestly the book was an enigma, there really wasn't anything concrete to lock onto, as far as abstact concepts went. The orb did however increase his might, of this I am certain, or Thanos would not have scrambled to get it back in his possession, when it was dislodged from his grasp.
Originally posted by zopzop
@StoicWhen I pointed this out (about Thanos scrambling to grab the orb when it was knocked out of his hand) I was told I was exaggerating.
Nice to see someone else saw what was clearly on panel.
To expand on this, if it wasn't a power up, why in the world would Thanos abandon his allies (pawns as he put it) to seek out the orb? I suppose that it could be argued that Thanos just had to get his hands on an unknown power source, but to what ends? I'm going with the obvious. It was a power up.
Originally posted by iceman24567Dont think so,as he floored Tyrant with punches(one using the orb as a weapon, and another just using his fist).
So he wasn't amped physically?
Everytime Thanos used the orb it was glowing/radiating with energy, when he punched Tyrant with his fist and when the locked up in a strength test, the orb was dull and lifeless.
Originally posted by StoicWhy..he wanted to test himself against Tyrant, and to piss Tyrant off enough to try and destroy him, so he could see if he was able to withstand Tyrants assault and the best way to achieve that was to steal from him
To expand on this, if it wasn't a power up, why in the world would Thanos abandon his allies (pawns as he put it) to seek out the orb? I suppose that it could be argued that Thanos just had to get his hands on an unknown power source, but to what ends? I'm going with the obvious. [b]It was a power up. [/B]
Originally posted by iceman24567
So he wasn't amped physically?
I just read the book, and Thanos did assault Tyrant on a physical level, and the Orb was amplifying his blasts and punches. When he came down double fisted, he had the orb in his possession. Tyrant grabbed Thanos up by his neck, and tossed him which dislodged the orb from his possession. No where in the book did it ever state that the orb was not amplifying Thanos. However if it wasn't amplifying Thanos he would not have scrambled to retrieve it when it fell out of his hand.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Why..he wanted to test himself against Tyrant, and to piss Tyrant off enough to try and destroy him, so he could see if he was able to withstand Tyrants assault and the best way to achieve that was to steal from him
If that were the case, he would have accepted Tyrants challenge instead of fleeing. Like I said earlier, had Thanos employed the orb against Odin he might have done far better than he did do. Tyrant didn't seem to take Thanos as a serious threat, and while it was impressive that Thanos was able to knock Tyrant over, it did not hurt him or nearly KO him.
Stoic sometimes you really amaze me... The orb was SAID to contain knowledge when it was studied... no mention of PC or Morg's power NOTHING. It was said to contain knowledge and knowledge is power. HOWEVER, let just say it was..... The plain presentation of the comic make it clear... if it was amplifying Thanos is was ONLY when it was glowing and radiating colors which reflected this. We saw it LIFELESS when Thanos punched Tyrant one time and again when they locked up in a test of strength. Yet yet you're going to say it was still active then and amplying Thanos? Are you serious with this nonsense? The facts are these... IF it was amplying Thanos it was ONLY when it was glowing. Period. Anybody thinking it was still amping him when it was totally lifeless is just plain slow.
Next, the question was asked why do I feel Tyrant is more powerful than both Odin and Seth... well that is easy.. Their common foes... When Odin fought Thanos.. Thanos was NEVER in any fear of dying or EVER considered stopping the fight to leave. He knew he could keep on going toe to toe with Odin, and even though he was losing he clearly didn't feel like he was in any danger of dying and needed to leave. Now compare that to when he fought Tyrant.. Even while AMPED (which is debatable) he fleed the scene and SPECIFICALLY said that if he stayed Tyrant would kill him. That right there speaks volumes about the power that Thanos had just felt in engaging Tyrant. These are the facts that can't be gotten around. To add to that, Thanos could've had an AMP + he was prepped to fight Tyrant. He was looking for a challenge and was studying up on Tyrant before they met. So we have an amped prepped Thanos FEAR Tyrant and admitting Tyrant would kill him if he stayed. Now compare that to an unamped and unprepped Thanos not having ANY fear of Odin or staying or continuing the fight. Done deal
To go further though... We saw Dp Tyrant pwn Galactus and have him in serious trouble. Galactus is stronger than any foe Odin has fought and done well against. Galactus himself feared a confrontation with Tyrant and backed down the first time they met for fear of it destroying galaxies. He SPECIFICALLY FED and prepped for his battle with Tyrant... Why would you do that if you're that superior to your foe... the answer is you wouldn't and certaintly the condescending Galactus wouldn't. He clearly felt Tyrant was a big threat. On the contrary, he has talked down about Odin and has never expressed any fear over facing him. In fact, when Doom had Galactus power.. he ONE SHOT Odin with ease. For these reasons and others... I feel DP Tryant is above Odin.. maybe not by a huge margin but certainly above him.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Is that honestly solid proof though?
Exactly. He obviously wanted a prize and wanted to study this orb for its knowledge.. That is very easily why he could've been trying to keep it. Lastly, Ice... next time you tell me to post proof and not just who I think.. how about you do the same first....
Originally posted by iceman24567
Is that honestly solid proof though?
It is pretty solid proof to me. Thanos fought with the orb in hand, if it wasn't affecting him he would have simply pocketed the trinket, and fought without it.
The fact that while holding the orb made him fight with less vigor was a clear indication that he needed it to bump him up to near eye level with Tyrant in terms of power. Thanos would not fight a superior with less than his absolute best.
Thanos landed a solid right hook to Tyrant, and the orb was glowing as it also left a trail of energy in its wake.
The answer to your question is yes it is solid proof.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Stoic sometimes you really amaze me... The orb was SAID to contain knowledge when it was studied... no mention of PC or Morg's power NOTHING. It was said to contain knowledge and knowledge is power. HOWEVER, let just say it was..... The plain presentation of the comic make it clear... if it was amplifying Thanos is was ONLY when it was glowing and radiating colors which reflected this. We saw it LIFELESS when Thanos punched Tyrant one time and again when they locked up in a test of strength. Yet yet you're going to say it was still active then and amplying Thanos? Are you serious with this nonsense? The facts are these... IF it was amplying Thanos it was ONLY when it was glowing. Period. Anybody thinking it was still amping him when it was totally lifeless is just plain slow.Next, the question was asked why do I feel Tyrant is more powerful than both Odin and Seth... well that is easy.. Their common foes... When Odin fought Thanos.. Thanos was NEVER in any fear of dying or EVER considered stopping the fight to leave. He knew he could keep on going toe to toe with Odin, and even though he was losing he clearly didn't feel like he was in any danger of dying and needed to leave. Now compare that to when he fought Tyrant.. Even while AMPED (which is debatable) he fleed the scene and SPECIFICALLY said that if he stayed Tyrant would kill him. That right there speaks volumes about the power that Thanos had just felt in engaging Tyrant. These are the facts that can't be gotten around. To add to that, Thanos could've had an AMP + he was prepped to fight Tyrant. He was looking for a challenge and was studying up on Tyrant before they met. So we have an amped prepped Thanos FEAR Tyrant and admitting Tyrant would kill him if he stayed. Now compare that to an unamped and unprepped Thanos not having ANY fear of Odin or staying or continuing the fight. Done deal
To go further though... We saw Dp Tyrant pwn Galactus and have him in serious trouble. Galactus is stronger than any foe Odin has fought and done well against. Galactus himself feared a confrontation with Tyrant and backed down the first time they met for fear of it destroying galaxies. He SPECIFICALLY FED and prepped for his battle with Tyrant... Why would you do that if you're that superior to your foe... the answer is you wouldn't and certaintly the condescending Galactus wouldn't. He clearly felt Tyrant was a big threat. On the contrary, he has talked down about Odin and has never expressed any fear over facing him. In fact, when Doom had Galactus power.. he ONE SHOT Odin with ease. For these reasons and others... I feel DP Tryant is above Odin.. maybe not by a huge margin but certainly above him.
This entire post is full of fail, and speculation.
Thanosi...
DP Tyrant vs Galactus was pure PIS; go back and re-read it...Galactus was written to actually "forget" that Tyrant could absorb BSE.
So Galactus created Tyrant, encountered him during the Herald Ordeal (so Tyrant had to be fresh on his mind), and still forgot this critical aspect of Tyrants powerset...
Bull...10000% Bulls**t.
These bad writters often write Galactus as a powerful normal human with average (and sometimes below average) human intelligence...
Any other halfway intelligent character wether it be Doom, Richards, Luthor, Batman, Tony Stark, or even Spiderman would have altered the energy type being used against Tyrant into a form he couldnt absorb...but not Galactus...no sir...Galactus "forgot" Tyrant could absorb BSE and "forgot" about Tyrants mastery over machinery (I am 100% certain that Dr Doom would have IMMEDIATELY safeguarded his tech against Tyrants power...but not the Big-G...he isnt smart enough to think that far ahead).
Add it all up Thanosi, and the DP Tyrant/Galactus fight featured a critical level of PIS...as a result to use it as evidence in your argument is erroneous.