Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb represented a trophy for Lord Manos. Either way he was more than these others were with or without the orb and using Morg's power which is just the power cosmic is a step down for him anywho.
But wasn't Morg in possession of the Waters of Life as well? This would make his powers more dynamic in scope, wouldn't it? Plus was it confirmed, whether or not the power that was briefly absorbed from the other Herald level beings present, or not present within the Orb? Are you arguing that Seth can beat Tyrant?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ 😂 Clearly electronic encyclopedias can also substitute as energy-amping focal devices.Sometimes, my Encylopedia Britannica-equipped iPhone shoots energy blasts. Other times, it just amps my innate superhero ability to shoot energy blasts out of my hands. Both true stories. After all, it just contains knowledge and by logical extension, does one or both of these things. Clearly.
Exactly. More dodging, because you have no explanation for the on panel facts do you... Why was it lifeless at certain points of the fights? Why couldn't he use it to amp is strength when they were locked up? Why was morg stated to have gotten BACK his PC BEFORE Thanos got that orb.. an orb mind you.. that was studied and said to contain KNOWLEDGE.. not PC not anything but KNOWLEDGE. How are those things possible? Lastly explain what Morg's PC would do for Thanos again? We know Thanos is quite a bit more powerful than Morg and can already use the PC.. so how exactly was he amping again? Or I'm sure.. you'll just dodge those questions
^ This isn't dodging. I think it's completely foolish to assume that the orb only contained knowledge when Thanos was using it to blast Tyrant and smash his face in. I'm not going to apologize for not taking your arguments seriously.
It's even more foolish to assume that an orb of knowledge somehow amps Thanos' blasts. I mean... seriously... what does this look like to you, Thanos using the orb to fire energy blasts or no? This isn't hard:
And to directly answer your red herring argument as to why the orb seemed lifeless, weapons/energy storage units don't have to constantly be firing or glowing to contain power. A holstered gun looks lifeless. Iron Man's palms look lifeless when they're not charging or firing repulsor blasts. Fact is: the orb wasn't lifeless when Thanos was firing it at Tyrant.
Thanos fired it at Tyrant. And it hurt Tyrant. Ergo, the orb was a weapon or an energy storage device. Let's stick with the plain presentation of the art and story here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ This isn't dodging. I think it's completely foolish to assume that the orb only contained knowledge when Thanos was using it to blast Tyrant and smash his face in. I'm not going to apologize for not taking your arguments seriously.It's even more foolish to assume that an orb of knowledge somehow amps Thanos' blasts. I mean... seriously... what does this look like to you, Thanos using the orb to fire energy blasts or no? This isn't hard:
And to directly answer your red herring argument as to why the orb seemed lifeless, weapons/energy storage units don't have to constantly be firing or glowing to contain power. A holstered gun looks lifeless. Iron Man's palms look lifeless when they're not charging or firing repulsor blasts. Fact is: the orb wasn't lifeless when Thanos was firing it at Tyrant.
Thanos fired it at Tyrant. And it hurt Tyrant. Ergo, the orb was a weapon or an energy storage device. Let's stick with the plain presentation of the art and story here.
So we are sticking with the artistic depiction of the story then eh? Cause through narration and artistic depiction it was also made clear what was in the orb right? LET ME CLARIFY THOUGH... I believe it is possible that he was using to blast Tyrant.. given the aristic depiction I've always stated this could be possible. That said.. blast can clearly go through the orb.. you're assuming Thanos ws using his blast power plus the orbs to increase his blast power. Thus his blast travel through the orb.. Thus it's also possible that he was just using his blast.. and of course his blast have a color to them to so we can see them.. Thus this could explain why a clear ball would have color when Thanos is blast through it. However... lets move past whether it was or not...
1. Do you agree that he wasn't using it to amp his strength when he was lock up with Tyrant?
2. Do you also agree that before Thanos got that orb (which was suppose to be Morg's power) Morg had already gotten his power back from Tyrant?
3. You also would agree that Morg is inferior in power to Thanos.. and Thanos has said to be able to use the PC.. just doesn't like to do so. So I'm curious what amp Morg's power would give him if he's already more powerful than morg and can also call upon the PC?
4. Lastly, you agree that when the orb was studied it was said to contain knowledge not PC right? Not whether you discount this or not.. you've seen the scans correct?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi1. Was he holding it then?
1. Do you agree that he wasn't using it to amp his strength when he was lock up with Tyrant?2. Do you also agree that before Thanos got that orb (which was suppose to be Morg's power) Morg had already gotten his power back from Tyrant?
3. You also would agree that Morg is inferior in power to Thanos.. and Thanos has said to be able to use the PC.. just doesn't like to do so. So I'm curious what amp Morg's power would give him if he's already more powerful than morg and can also call upon the PC?
4. Lastly, you agree that when the orb was studied it was said to contain knowledge not PC right? Not whether you discount this or not.. you've seen the scans correct?
2. Was that specific orb definitely only holding Morg's power? Do you have evidence of this? As was revealed, there were a crap-ton of orbs lying around.
3. Why are you going on this tangent here? The question is whether the orb was a weapon or energy storage device. Show me where Tyrant/Thanos said that orb was completely inert.
4. I've seen scans that say Thanos could probe it and uncover further knowledge. I don't recall anything otherwise.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhy move past it? Because you don't want to admit that you're going through such lengths to justify the possibility that the orb can have energy simply pass through it? We're not discussing attenuated possibilities that haven't been utterly ruled out. I don't have to prove the negative. We're talking about what is obvious here. Thanos picked the orb up and fired it at Tyrant. That's just plainly obvious.
So we are sticking with the artistic depiction of the story then eh? Cause through narration and artistic depiction it was also made clear what was in the orb right? LET ME CLARIFY THOUGH... I believe it is possible that he was using to blast Tyrant.. given the aristic depiction I've always stated this could be possible. That said.. blast can clearly go through the orb.. you're assuming Thanos ws using his blast power plus the orbs to increase his blast power. Thus his blast travel through the orb.. Thus it's also possible that he was just using his blast.. and of course his blast have a color to them to so we can see them.. Thus this could explain why a clear ball would have color when Thanos is blast through it. However... lets move past whether it was or not...
If it was completely useless as a weapon and "transparent" and never amped his blasts, why did Thanos wait until he grabbed it to fire his own energy blasts through the orb at Tyrant? When someone is bearing down on you from behind, are you going to crawl to the nearest dictionary, hold it up and then fire your hand-blasts?
Look at the scan. He's frikkin firing it at Tyrant:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. Was he holding it then?2. Was that specific orb definitely only holding Morg's power? Do you have evidence of this? As was revealed, there were a crap-ton of orbs lying around.
3. Why are you going on this tangent here? The question is whether the orb was a weapon or energy storage device. Show me where Tyrant/Thanos said that orb was completely inert.
4. I've seen scans that say Thanos could probe it and uncover further knowledge. I don't recall anything otherwise. Why move past it? Because you don't want to admit that you're going through such lengths to justify the possibility that the orb can have energy simply pass through it? We're not discussing attenuated possibilities that haven't been utterly ruled out. I don't have to prove the negative. We're talking about what is obvious here. Thanos picked the orb up and fired it at Tyrant. That's just plainly obvious.
If it was completely useless as a weapon and "transparent" and never amped his blasts, why did Thanos wait until he grabbed it to fire his own energy blasts through the orb at Tyrant? When someone is bearing down on you from behind, are you going to crawl to the nearest dictionary, hold it up and then fire your hand-blasts?
Look at the scan. He's frikkin firing it at Tyrant:
2. Again.. you've read it.. as Nihilist and Bran (who went back and locked) that Tyrant already had give Morg his power back before Thanos got what was supposed to be Morg's power. So then, please explain how that orb contained morg's power
3. You didn't answer this one for some reason and addressed nothing. I'm just curious how you think it works exactly.. you must assume there is somekinda power stacking going on here. We know Morg is inferior to Thanos.. we know Thanos can also use the PC.. So then how would Morg help him here.. unless you feel there is some kinda power stacking ability with this orb that was never mentioned.
4. So you're saying he studied the orb.. made NO mention of it containing any PC or absorbing any more PC into.. why would he do that since it helped him in the battle and made him more powerful (as you claim) why would he absorb the power or even mention that it contained PC or anything of the sort.. All he said was it contained knowledge and knowledge is power..
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi1. Not for a while I haven't. So he held it while struggling with Tyrant. It's arguable it helped and more probable than not that it did. This still isn't what the argument is about. It's about whether it was a weapon/energy storage device. It clearly was. And I don't recall it being lifeless whenever he fired it at Tyrant or smacked Tyrant with it.
1. You've read the comic buddy.. I think you know he was… and it was lifeless. Please explain this2. Again.. you've read it.. as Nihilist and Bran (who went back and locked) that Tyrant already had give Morg his power back before Thanos got what was supposed to be Morg's power. So then, please explain how that orb contained morg's power
2. And that specific orb was shown to be the one that specifically contained ONLY Morg's power? Thanos picked out that orb specifically to steal Morg's power? Then when he got it, he was like, "Oh fiddlesticks. It doesn't contain Morg's power after all!"
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi3. I don't need to entertain your leading questions that assume facts without support. Even if it were Morg's power, why it would it be meaningless? An 8-yr old has little strength to offer me, but if he was spotting me on a bench, it would help by that much. I don't know what rationale you're trying to project here to justify that the orb was completely useless in Thanos' struggle against Tyrant. It doesn't matter because it obviously was useful to Thanos in the fight.
3. You didn't answer this one for some reason and addressed nothing. I'm just curious how you think it works exactly.. you must assume there is somekinda power stacking going on here. We know Morg is inferior to Thanos.. we know Thanos can also use the PC.. So then how would Morg help him here.. unless you feel there is some kinda power stacking ability with this orb that was never mentioned.4. So you're saying he studied the orb.. made NO mention of it containing any PC or absorbing any more PC into.. why would he do that since it helped him in the battle and made him more powerful (as you claim) why would he absorb the power or even mention that it contained PC or anything of the sort.. All he said was it contained knowledge and knowledge is power..
4. As I recall, he mentioned that study of it would lead to further knowledge. Again. You keep loading your questions with assumptions. Show me the panel where Thanos states the orb ONLY contains knowledge.
Even if you ignore that Thanos uses it as a weapon during the fight, the entire speechification throughout the encounter implies that the orb contains power. And that Thanos is seeking out that power, not as an end unto itself -- since he's matured beyond such near-sighted goals -- but to uncover further knowledge through studying that power. This was repreatedly impressed by the author, particularly at the end of the fight and the epilogue. It's plain and evident.
And still... none of your arguments or my arguments change the simple fact that Thanos frikkin fired it at Tyrant.