Originally posted by Galan007
If Nate can get his shields up before Surfer blitzes, then his chances of winning are pretty good. If not, Surfer wins.
Precog gets shields up before surfer hits. Also Cable is a tactical genius as well as having many years of practical experience.
Have to give this to Xman 6-7/10 over surfer. Surfer's psy resistance maybe high but it isn't going to compare to someone whos powers have been called near equal to phoenix force avatars/ Dark Phoenix and has only increased in skill since then. Xman to my knowledge hasn't really been nerfed and his power and control keeps going up and up. Giving him the capacity of Cable for control as well as his own which it is likely he removed his vampiric infection from Morbius with he will psychic stomp surfer.
Surfer does have more experience but not necessarily more raw power than xman and in bloodlusted state I think that further works in Xman's favor. Surfer would do better without it IMO in this case.
However Xman with Cable experience even without bloodlust I'm not really sure how Surfer could beat Nate in a straight fight.
Only real way I see surfer doing it is go back in time and kill Nate before he comes into his powers.
I Surfer's sheer versatility wins. I don't think X-Man's shields would hold up to a blackhole, and Surfer's also got speed on his side. I'm an X-Man fanboy, but I can't see him taking more than 1-2/10, especially without CIS. If Nate started with his shield up, I can't see it staying up for more than a hit or 2.
Surfer's "philosophy" has sort of been changed after his Galactus upgrade in Annihilation.
If the Surfer were looking to kill the opponent, which it seems he is, given the bloodlust, plus full knowledge of his opponent, it would be a difficult fight, but I'm pretty sure Surfer would win.
And if not, he'd just make a black hole and be done with the whole thing.
Big talk about Surfers supposed speed superiority. Norrin speed blitzing Nate is now unlikely, when X-Man perceives the world in “Planck Time”. The one that needs to watch out, is Norrin because Nate can now swim with out getting wet, and land hard shots on Norrin’s blind spots.
This is what going to happen. At the beginning of the fight, Norrin will attempt to speed blitz, and bull-rush, in efforts to physically maul down Nate. Only he will seemingly miss his target, because his target is no longer their. Suddenly Nate will lock the immediate vicinity surrounding Norrin. With Norrin locked between time/space, Surfer incontrovertibly becomes Nate‘s cosmic punching bag. At this point Nate can do any number of things like; wipe out his entire memory from his line of history, while Nate bombs away over a motionless, and brain dead Surfer.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Only real way I see surfer doing it is go back in time and kill Nate before he comes into his powers.
Originally posted by "Id"
Big talk about Surfers supposed speed superiority. Norrin speed blitzing Nate is now unlikely, when X-Man perceives the world in “Planck Time”. The one that needs to watch out, is Norrin because Nate can now swim with out getting wet, and land hard shots on Norrin’s blind spots.This is what going to happen. At the beginning of the fight, Norrin will attempt to speed blitz, and bull-rush, in efforts to physically maul down Nate. Only he will seemingly miss his target, because his target is no longer their. Suddenly Nate will lock the immediate vicinity surrounding Norrin. With Norrin locked between time/space, Surfer incontrovertibly becomes Nate‘s cosmic punching bag. At this point Nate can do any number of things like; wipe out his entire memory from his line of history, while Nate bombs away over a motionless, and brain dead Surfer.
Wouldn’t you agree, that even then that seems highly unrealistic.
Just saying of his powers to use against Nate it's the only real way I see him winning.
Also to prior comment about power versatility, Power versatility doesn't count for anything in the face of fewer powers with raw and overwhelming force.
Unless it's surfer amped to beyond galactus level he's not going to take it from Nate. You can pretty much easily list the number of beings able to beat Nate.
High end reality manipulaters Jaspers, Richards, peak Phoenix,
Beings that can bring to absurd amounts of energy to the field, galactus, beyonder, inbetweener pre-retcon, Abstracts.
Some thinkers, prepmasters, and high end mages
peak classic strange, Doom, Reed, kid omega, few others but you get the idea.
