Even though I don't think they should change the ending, it will be fascinating to watch what decisions Bioware makes from here on out. If they do opt for the indoctrination theory then they will have to figure out how to handle the content for those who chose the control/synthesis choice. Because they certainly won't make content that's only available for those who chose a single specific ending choice, they'd make it so it's available to play for everyone who finished the game.
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No, the control/synthesis endings should be red herrings and be more or less non-standard game-overs due to giving in to indoctrination imo. Bioware shouldn't allow you to get away with those choices simply because they are functionally identical to the stated goals of Saren and the Illusive Man (Saren wanted synthesis, TIM wanted control) and choosing them represents becoming like-minded with those two Reaper-pawns. In the theory theres no way choosing either option isn't choosing indoctrination.And as seen in both of the above cases the only way to really resist that level of indoctrination is suicide. I suppose Shepard might be able to still fight while fighting off indoctrination, but unlikely.
Originally posted by NephthysSpoiler:
No, the control/synthesis endings should be red herrings and be more or less non-standard game-overs due to giving in to indoctrination imo. Bioware shouldn't allow you to get away with those choices simply because they are functionally identical to the stated goals of Saren and the Illusive Man (Saren wanted synthesis, TIM wanted control) and choosing them represents becoming like-minded with those two Reaper-pawns. In the theory theres no way choosing either option isn't choosing indoctrination.And as seen in both of the above cases the only way to really resist that level of indoctrination is suicide. I suppose Shepard might be able to still fight while fighting off indoctrination, but unlikely.
I agree.
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If you choose the wrong ending you should get a "game-over". Not a big deal as at the end of the game you can just redo the mission.
Originally posted by NephthysSpoiler:
No, the control/synthesis endings should be red herrings and be more or less non-standard game-overs due to giving in to indoctrination imo. Bioware shouldn't allow you to get away with those choices simply because they are functionally identical to the stated goals of Saren and the Illusive Man (Saren wanted synthesis, TIM wanted control) and choosing them represents becoming like-minded with those two Reaper-pawns. In the theory theres no way choosing either option isn't choosing indoctrination.And as seen in both of the above cases the only way to really resist that level of indoctrination is suicide. I suppose Shepard might be able to still fight while fighting off indoctrination, but unlikely.
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I think there would be more interesting and compelling ways to go about it than just a game over screen, that would kinda trivialize the choice entirely.I think it'd be pretty cool if upon choosing synthesize/control you then control one of the squad members that you were with for the final mission for the DLC, and have to make the choice to kill shepard or try and help him.
If shepard's willpower is high enough (decided by his reputation score) he will come around and fight off the indoctrination and you could continue to do the DLC with shepard, if not shepard will fight you and you will have to kill him, and the DLC would have to be completed with the squad member you are controlling.
I doubt Bioware would do anything like this because it would require more work than just figuring out a way around the current ending choice, or having a game over screen, but I think it'd be pretty sweet.
Originally posted by BackFireSpoiler:
I think there would be more interesting and compelling ways to go about it than just a game over screen, that would kinda trivialize the choice entirely.I think it'd be pretty cool if upon choosing synthesize/control you then control one of the squad members that you were with for the final mission for the DLC, and have to make the choice to kill shepard or try and help him.
If shepard's willpower is high enough (decided by his reputation score) he will come around and fight off the indoctrination and you could continue to do the DLC with shepard, if not shepard will fight you and you will have to kill him, and the DLC would have to be completed with the squad member you are controlling.
I doubt Bioware would do anything like this because it would require more work than just figuring out a way around the current ending choice, or having a game over screen, but I think it'd be pretty sweet.
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That'd be kinda interesting, considering I romanced Tali and brought her with me. haermm
Looks like the ending won't be changing after all.
Originally posted by BackFire
Looks like the ending won't be changing after all.
If it's the indoctrination theory, it doesn't have to change.
Here's a link with all kinds of evidence for the Indoctrination Theory:
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Theorycraftng_HUB/topic/7698722/1/
Originally posted by BackFire
Looks like the ending won't be changing after all.
Well... Crap. If that's all they are planning to do, why are they being so secretive about it? They keep saying they aren't going to talk about it because they don't want to spoil anything, which makes no sense if there is nothing new to spoil. They even have a forum page dedicated to hearing fans idea's about what changes should be made to the ending...
Originally posted by Blair Wind
If it's the indoctrination theory, it doesn't have to change.Here's a link with all kinds of evidence for the Indoctrination Theory:
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Theorycraftng_HUB/topic/7698722/1/
The indoctrination theory demands more than "clarification", which is what the quote said is the only thing they are providing. It does need a new ending in order for it to work... unless the ending is just some text saying Shepard was being indoctrinated and overcame/succumbed. But it would need to be more than that.
I see it more as saying that the ending will not be "changed" meaning completely overwritten or rendered invalid.
If the ending was given more context and clarification, using the indoctrination theory, it still provides ample opportunity for them to show the repercussions of your choice and then provide closure by defeating Harbringer and the Reapers for real. It doesn't change the ending that is, just progresses the story to the "true" ending
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I see it more as saying that the ending will not be "changed" meaning completely overwritten or rendered invalid.If the ending was given more context and clarification, using the indoctrination theory, it still provides ample opportunity for them to show the repercussions of your choice and then provide closure by defeating Harbringer and the Reapers for real. It doesn't change the ending that is, just progresses the story to the "true" ending
It could be interpreted that way, but that would be a weird way to put it. I would think people would see a continuation of the final battle as a "new" or "different" ending. I don't think it can really be considered simple clarification, which to me sounds like some text boxes explaining what happened after the credits rolled. Which would probably be something like: "Everyone sat on earth and the galaxy was f#cked."
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I wouldn't get my hopes too high, though...
If it is indeed indoctrination, considering the amount of clues of such that were in the ending, revealing it properly could be described as "clarification" from... "a certain point of view."
At the very least, if it's not that this is one time BioWare should just admit the fan story is better than theirs, and use it.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
If it is indeed indoctrination, considering the amount of clues of such that were in the ending, revealing it properly could be described as "clarification" from... "a certain point of view."At the very least, if it's not that this is one time BioWare should just admit the fan story is better than theirs, and use it.
That's what I'm hoping they will do. As I said before, they have a forum dedicated to hearing the fans ideas on what needs to be changed. I'd like to think that isn't there just to calm people down when they aren't going to do anything with it. The indoctrination theory seems to be the most supported idea for changing the ending.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Definately. The Indoctrination theory is the only way I can see them coming out of this smiling, and a lot of people, myself included, will be pissed if they don't go that route. Its so much better than the current ending.
Though, honestly, that isn't saying much. Really we could have an ending in which Shepard and Harbinger put on clown make-up and dance around the ruins of earth and that would still be a better ending than the one we have now... 😬
A very interesting rumor about the possible upcoming DLC and possible information on what they're planning for the next game. Obviously spoilers if true, though it's unlikely that any of it is.
Originally posted by BackFire
A very interesting rumor about the possible upcoming DLC and possible information on what they're planning for the next game. Obviously spoilers if true, though it's unlikely that any of it is.
Considering it came from 4chan, with no other information about where the data came from, I'm gonna go with fake until more/better evidence comes out.
They did point out that whoever wrote it knew the proper "lingo", but since I don't know the lingo, I just have to take his word on it. And besides, 4chan can easily pull something that has those details I'm sure.
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I'm currently enjoying the coop of ME3, however, after playing the SP campaign (I know this must be yesterday's news already), is it just me or can everyone REALLY feel how rushed, sloppy and lazy Bioware was approaching the end. :-/ too many plotholes and WTF is with the 3-colored ending? 🙁 🙁 /sad
Sloppy sloppy sloppy job Bioware.... sloppy...
SLOPPY!!!!!
If I didn't enjoy the coop (what I spent all my time on) so much, I'd be raging. 😛
Ijust got the game yesterday, and I don't dare to read anything you post above, but I must say;
"oh my god, what's with the disc changes?"
In ME2 I first had to switch discs when I got pretty far into the game, in this one however, the first mission I did after getting to the galaxy map required disc 2, and now the first mission after I revisited the Citadel require disc 2...
I know it all depends on which missions I choose to do first, but it just seems so weird why they would give me these Disc 2 missions so early.
