Anyway, it makes perfect sense if you think about it.
Humans have humbly looked to the stars for insight for survival for 25,000 years - astrology basically predates anything else, even the Yoga.
The stars are very humbling, and astrology is one very non-anthropocentric form of spirituality.Astrology gives us roles that are mutually beneficial in that they make us all equally relevant they give us all a unique purpose. As Carl Sagan said, the stars "underscore our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another"; even Bruce notes not to be distracted by trivial things when he commands, "It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory". Bruce Lee also conveyed how humbling the 'heavens' are to humans when he said that; "Under the Stars, under the Heavens, we are but one family". Bruce Lee and Carl Sagan were very spiritual men, very humble and wise men.
Originally posted by Oneness
Anyway, it makes perfect sense if you think about it.Humans have humbly looked to the stars for insight for survival for 25,000 years - astrology basically predates anything else, even the Yoga.
The stars are very humbling, and astrology is one very non-anthropocentric form of spirituality.Astrology gives us roles that are mutually beneficial in that they make us all equally relevant they give us all a unique purpose. As Carl Sagan said, the stars "underscore our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another"; even Bruce notes not to be distracted by trivial things when he commands, "It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory". Bruce Lee also conveyed how humbling the 'heavens' are to humans when he said that; "Under the Stars, under the Heavens, we are but one family". Bruce Lee and Carl Sagan were very spiritual men, very humble and wise men.
And they both could kick you a$$.
Originally posted by Oneness
What do you mean what? You think our cosmos is too complex to be fabricated in cyberspace by a Type I civilization?How anthropocentric.
We could potentially all be dream-beings of an ant on a far-flung planet in another dimension, Matrix pod-beings, simulations, crafted by deities or random occurrences according to a heavily structured existence which provides no conclusive answers as to being caused.
It's not anthropocentric to be skeptical of explanations that have equal validity as "God did it".
Originally posted by Stealth MooseWell if you're right, than their experiment will demonstrably falsify the hypothesis that we are simulated creatures.We could potentially all be dream-beings of an ant on a far-flung planet in another dimension, Matrix pod-beings, simulations, crafted by deities or random occurrences according to a heavily structured existence which provides no conclusive answers as to being caused.
It's not anthropocentric to be skeptical of explanations that have equal validity as "God did it".
The scientific hypothesis, by the way, that is a testable relationship between two variables.
You don't have to over-complicate things, science is about crystal smooth, ice-cold simplicity.
But reality isn't crystal smooth, ice-cold simple. Scientific experiments and tests will get us closer to some measure of objective truth, but you'd be wrong to think that any such tests are definitive. The scientific community is always changing, and consensus is difficult on topics approaching this scale. At most, such experiments could lead to the improved likelihood of theory A over theory B, but it's largely irrelevant to the topic at hand here, which is Dreams.
My LOLWUT was in response to your unrelated comment.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseThat was who I quoted, but while you two were writing astrology off as hogwash, I wanted to say why it appeals to me.
No, you replied to Lucien and started talking about alien DNA, when he and I were clearly using the concept for a quick laugh.
And never said anything about humans having alien dna, neither did he. I said it is possible that the universe is a simulation subject to manipulation by whatever intelligence created the program to replicate its own cosmos.
Originally posted by OnenessYou missed the humor in the juxtaposition. We were speaking mockingly and facetiously, and your immediate reaction to said flippancy was seriousness. Similar topic, but total opposite in attitude and approach--making it essentially unrelated. The sudden contrast was indeed deserving of a LOLWUT.
That was who I quoted, but while you two were writing astrology off as hogwash, I wanted to say why it appeals to me.And never said anything about humans having alien dna, neither did he. I said it is possible that the universe is a simulation subject to manipulation by whatever intelligence created the program to replicate its own cosmos.
Originally posted by Oneness
That was who I quoted, but while you two were writing astrology off as hogwash, I wanted to say why it appeals to me.And never said anything about humans having alien dna, neither did he. I said it is possible that the universe is a simulation subject to manipulation by whatever intelligence created the program to replicate its own cosmos.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But my personality is the very definition of a Virgo. How can there be any other explanation?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Aliens altering our DNA and constantly affecting our consciousness is a far more appealing thought than magic star drawings.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You could substitute 'aliens' for 'gypsies' too, depending on your belief bias.
Some time later, you said this in reply to Lucien's post regarding alien dna being more interesting than astrology, which I have quoted above:
Originally posted by Oneness
I actually do believe it logical.What if a Type I civilization that can account for 100% of mass {that includes what we believe to be dark matter and energy} from a cosmological constant similar to ours, reconstructed the big bang in a simulation where all operations from the quark up were to scale?
Things go exactly the same, and look, this other planet had the potential for life like us, lets move them from Type 0 to Type I, which is why they might make the stars lined up a certain way and why they might structure a primitive society's experience a certain way relative to the star maps. Astrology. Maybe we're just along for the ride.
As an aside, although Oney quotes Carl Sagan, he forgets that it was astronomy that Sagan valued. Not astrology. He didn't think too highly of astrology:
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
As an aside, although Oney quotes Carl Sagan, he forgets that it was astronomy that Sagan valued. Not astrology. He didn't think too highly of astrology:
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When did I claim "Carl Sagan believes in astrology".
When did I claim I believed in astrology?
I'm agnostic, look me up on facebook.
I said it's possible that religions, especially the first religion (astrology) may have real merit.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonWe're talking about how star maps helped guide early man, and how astrology gives us all a unique purpose, star locations when astrology was formed are permanent. Precession is irrelevant. Carl Sagan was making an example of the limitations of religion next to empirical data - and making an example of how perspectives change as science builds objective knowledge over the generations.
Astrology cannot work because of precession. All of the charts are off by at least one sign.
In fact, it is the culmination of facts gained by earlier generations that allow humans to increase our scientific understanding and our technological sophistication. The fact that homo-sapiens, shrinking brains, increasingly dependent on technology, evolved polar opposite of the smarter, stronger, and more intelligent Neanderthals is indication of intervention. Nature would never predict that the ability to outsource information would be more desirable for evolution than visual-spatial intelligence and physical robustness. The Ice Age is why homo-sapiens survived and Neanderthals did not, in that times of food scarcity humans needed less than half as many calories as the more massive Neanderthals, but mainly it was our ability to produce more delicate pronunciation and broader syllables has increased what we can put into language; thereby allowing us to pass on information to our descendants, outsourcing information through it.
