Originally posted by carver9You do know Thanos is not a actual mutant as such, he is a Eternal first and foremost that has mutated and has deviants syndrome.
By shielding up or going intangible... scan thanos body, create a weapon from his own body structure and shoot it at thanos and possibly damage him or outright kill him like he did the thousands to millions of mutants that he encountered.
The only way Nimrod could create a weapon to kill him is if he powers go beyond that of others that have been showed to badly damage him ie skyfathers like Odin/Tyrant or to actualy kill him he would need to surpass Adam Warlock empowered by abstract Chaos/Order or Drax who was created by the comsic entity and God of Titanand time Kronos, Nimrod had never shown that lvl of power.
Originally posted by Nihilist
You do know Thanos is not a actual mutant as such, he is a Eternal first and foremost that has mutated and has deviants syndrome.The only way Nimrod could create a weapon to kill him is if he powers go beyond that of others that have been showed to badly damage him ie skyfathers like Odin/Tyrant or to actualy kill him he would need to surpass Adam Warlock empowered by abstract Chaos/Order or Drax who was created by the comsic entity and God of Titanand time Kronos, Nimrod had never shown that lvl of power.
Thanos has been proven to be vulnerable to anti-matter; I am absolutely certain that creating this is within Nimrods capabilities...and is likely to be included in the weapon created by Nimrod after he scans the Mad Titan for weaknesses.
Anyway, I think its realistically plausible for Nimrod to be able to create a weapon capable of killing Thanos...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos has been proven to be vulnerable to anti-matter; I am absolutely certain that creating this is within Nimrods capabilities...and is likely to be included in the weapon created by Nimrod after he scans the Mad Titan for weaknesses.Anyway, I think its realistically plausible for Nimrod to be able to create a weapon capable of killing Thanos...
U mean he's vulnerable to anti-matter in a weakened state... where his durability was said to be compromised.. along with being physically and mentally weak? Ummm okay.. sure... but most people in that conditiion would be vulnerable to a variety of things they might normally shrug off when at 100%
^ Playing up the "weakened state" angle without simultaneously acknowledging that he had recovered a good deal, if not fully, so as to not look weakened at all either physically or mentally isn't helping to build your case.
Your opinion would be perfectly appropriate if Starlord said, "Well... that wouldn't have worked if he weren't weakened." But that wasn't the case. At all.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderIt was made clear through out the whole arc he was not at full power, we dont know what power lvl he was at, but the writers went out of their way to say he was vulnerable due to his weak state. Saying the anti matter worked on him at full power or wouldnt have worked at full power is speculation as we dont know how much power he had regained, so its pointless using it.
Thanos has been proven to be vulnerable to anti-matter; I am absolutely certain that creating this is within Nimrods capabilities...and is likely to be included in the weapon created by Nimrod after he scans the Mad Titan for weaknesses.Anyway, I think its realistically plausible for Nimrod to be able to create a weapon capable of killing Thanos...
^ Actually the writers went out of their way to show how far Thanos' recovery had come. Here is what we know from on-panel fact: (i) Thanos was mentally locked down by Cosmo and Mantis but Thanos recovered enough mental durability to be virtually immune by the time Drax assaulted him; (ii) Thanos couldn't even stand and was convulsing when he first jumped in that universe but he was standing and fighting by the time Drax attacked him; (iii) Thanos was barely capable of speaking when he first jumped in that universe but Thanos recovered, was intelligent and commanding the team essentially by the time Drax lost his patience.
How much more recovery do you imagine Thanos was capable of? Your speculation on that question doesn't completely and utterly banish the viability of anti-matter being used against Thanos again. That surely would be a convenient excuse, using a remote and miniscule speculative possibility to throw doubt into the absolute truth of an outcome, thus dispelling all discussion on the probability of that outcome. But we're not dealing with absolutes here. It'll probably work. All indications point that way. Not the opposite.
If it doesn't work as effectively -- as in... it'll only blow a gaping cavity in his chest -- because of some extra recovery he could possibly make use of... what difference does that really make here concerning its viability?
Your protestation that we shouldn't consider it working because it is "speculation" that it absolutely would work can more rightly be thrown back in your face: that we shouldn't consider it not working because it is "speculation" that it would absolutely not work.
So between those two absolutist positions: whose speculation requires more conjecture and supposition? <--- That's a rhetorical question.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Actually the writers went out of their way to show how far Thanos' recovery had come. Here is what we know from on-panel fact: [b](i) Thanos was mentally locked down by Cosmo and Mantis but Thanos recovered enough mental durability to be virtually immune by the time Drax assaulted him; (ii) Thanos couldn't even stand and was convulsing when he first jumped in that universe but he was standing and fighting by the time Drax attacked him; (iii) Thanos was barely capable of speaking when he first jumped in that universe but Thanos recovered, was intelligent and commanding the team essentially by the time Drax lost his patience.How much more recovery do you imagine Thanos was capable of? Your speculation on that question doesn't completely and utterly banish the viability of anti-matter being used against Thanos again. That surely would be a convenient excuse, using a remote and miniscule speculative possibility to throw doubt into the absolute truth of an outcome, thus dispelling all discussion on the probability of that outcome. But we're not dealing with absolutes here. It'll probably work. All indications point that way. Not the opposite.
If it doesn't work as effectively -- as in... it'll only blow a gaping cavity in his chest -- because of some extra recovery he could possibly make use of... what difference does that really make here concerning its viability?
Your protestation that we shouldn't consider it working because it is "speculation" that it absolutely would work can more rightly be thrown back in your face: that we shouldn't consider it not working because it is "speculation" that it would absolutely not work.
So between those two absolutist positions: whose speculation requires more conjecture and supposition? <--- That's a rhetorical question. [/B]
Actually you're dead wrong... they went out their way to make it clear he still wasn't at full strength, in fact, it was stated RIGHT before the device went off. They said... he had regained too much strength to shut down his mind. We are already working a Thanos stated OVER and OVER to be both physcially and mentally weakened.. over and over. Yet you have the nerve to say it was made clear he was recovering... ummm duh.. yes he's recovering FROM being weakened. It was made clear time and time this was the case. In fact, the writer not only made hiim physically and mentally weak but threw in narratino making it clear his durability was also compromised. So... now that it was established OVER and OVER again that he was weakened... then we come to the key moment.. Right before... It's clear as you point out that he was recovering.. never once denied that ever. Then the key line... he's recovered too much power to control... NOT he's gotten ALL his power back.. not he's at full strength now... he's back to 100% NOTHING like that.
They stated what WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SEEING... He's recovering gradually and slowly.. cool.. they say he's recovered too much to now control.. That makes it clear he wasn't at full power.. period end of story. It could be 99.9 or 75% or take your pick.. it doesn't matter.. what we know is he wasn't a full strength. Thus when someone isn't at full strength and clearly been weakened throughout the entire stroy.. when something like this happens we take into account any character being weakened, just as thanos was. If superman is weakened throughout 4 arcs and slowly recovering.. but get KO'd.. we very easily and factually say... well he wasn't at full strength so that is a good reason why this could've happened. That is only dealing with him being physically and mentally weak... his durability was said to be compromised.. at no time was this stated to be a recovering type of thing... Point is, what we know is that he wasn't at 100% and that is all that needs to be shown to prove that this doesn't apply to a full strength Thanos. Could it, sure, nobody knows. However, that possiblity doesn't allow us to take the leap that it would. Thanos was still not 100% and that alone makes it clear beyond any doubt we can't say it would for sure work on him if he was a 100%
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThem stating that Thanos regained too much strength tends towards Thanos' recovering completely or near completely. Not the opposite. This is English.
Actually you're dead wrong... they went out their way to make it clear he still wasn't at full strength, in fact, it was stated RIGHT before the device went off. They said... he had regained too much strength to shut down his mind.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYeah, at the moment he entered the Cancerverse. Then over two issues, we see Thanos visibly recover physically and mentally. I already went through the simple progression before. Ignoring how Thanos' recovery was plainly manifested isn't helping your case. Focusing on how Thanos was messed up two issues prior and trying to project that state two ssues later isn't helping your case.
We are already working a Thanos stated OVER and OVER to be both physcially and mentally weakened.. over and over. Yet you have the nerve to say it was made clear he was recovering... ummm duh.. yes he's recovering FROM being weakened.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiGreat. You have restated the obvious: it's possible Thanos wasn't 100%. Thank you Captain Obvious. It's not clear beyond a doubt that the anti-matter mine would work on him. No sh1t, Sherlock Holmes.
It was made clear time and time this was the case. In fact, the writer not only made hiim physically and mentally weak but threw in narratino making it clear his durability was also compromised. So... now that it was established OVER and OVER again that he was weakened... then we come to the key moment.. Right before... It's clear as you point out that he was recovering.. never once denied that ever. Then the key line... he's recovered too much power to control... NOT he's gotten ALL his power back.. not he's at full strength now... he's back to 100% NOTHING like that.They stated what WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SEEING... He's recovering gradually and slowly.. cool.. they say he's recovered too much to now control.. That makes it clear he wasn't at full power.. period end of story. It could be 99.9 or 75% or take your pick.. it doesn't matter.. what we know is he wasn't a full strength. Thus when someone isn't at full strength and clearly been weakened throughout the entire stroy.. when something like this happens we take into account any character being weakened, just as thanos was. If superman is weakened throughout 4 arcs and slowly recovering.. but get KO'd.. we very easily and factually say... well he wasn't at full strength so that is a good reason why this could've happened. That is only dealing with him being physically and mentally weak... his durability was said to be compromised.. at no time was this stated to be a recovering type of thing... Point is, what we know is that he wasn't at 100% and that is all that needs to be shown to prove that this doesn't apply to a full strength Thanos. Could it, sure, nobody knows. However, that possiblity doesn't allow us to take the leap that it would. Thanos was still not 100% and that alone makes it clear beyond any doubt we can't say it would for sure work on him if he was a 100%
Thanks for your negative proof fallacy. Here's another:
"You noobs. You can't say it's clear beyond a doubt that it wouldn't work again. You can't say without a doubt that any extra recovery would make a difference. It completely disintegrated him before. Maybe it half disintegrates him again. Or just disintegrates his chest. Fact is, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. So stop talking about the possibility that it wouldn't work. That's fact. Stop saying otherwise. blah, b1tch, moan, blah."
The fvck is that non-statement worth in this discussion (which completely mirrors your's)? It's worth sh1t. Stop selling it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Them stating that Thanos regained too much strength tends towards Thanos' recovering completely or near completely. Not the opposite. This is English. Yeah, at the moment he entered the Cancerverse. Then over two issues, we see Thanos visibly recover physically and mentally. I already went through the simple progression before. Ignoring how Thanos' recovery was plainly manifested isn't helping your case. Focusing on how Thanos was messed up two issues prior and trying to project that state two ssues later isn't helping your case. Great. You have restated the obvious: it's possible Thanos wasn't 100%. Thank you Captain Obvious. It's not clear beyond a doubt that the anti-matter mine would work on him. No sh1t, Sherlock Holmes.Thanks for your negative proof fallacy. Here's another:
"You noobs. You can't say it's clear beyond a doubt that it wouldn't work again. You can't say without a doubt that any extra recovery would make a difference. It completely disintegrated him before. Maybe it half disintegrates him again. Or just disintegrates his chest. Fact is, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. So stop talking about the possibility that it wouldn't work. That's fact. Stop saying otherwise. blah, b1tch, moan, blah."
The fvck is that non-statement worth in this discussion (which completely mirrors your's)? It's worth sh1t. Stop selling it.
Damn
.... Noone knows what thanos was "actually" at... Except for the writers. After coming back from being completely destroyed he killed drax in one blast...
Galactus during annihilation wiped out the whole wave after being screwed by annihilus for lord knows how long...
There's no telling how powerful thantimatter actually is or vice versa how weak thanos actually was... Or even if thanos himself has a weakness to "antimatter or if it's just powerful in it's own right....
Thnos has taken hits from galctus, Odin etc you name it... So pick a reasoning and you'll probably find which way you are inclined... Either reasoning probably works
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Them stating that Thanos regained too much strength tends towards Thanos' recovering completely or near completely. Not the opposite. This is English. Yeah, at the moment he entered the Cancerverse. Then over two issues, we see Thanos visibly recover physically and mentally. I already went through the simple progression before. Ignoring how Thanos' recovery was plainly manifested isn't helping your case. Focusing on how Thanos was messed up two issues prior and trying to project that state two ssues later isn't helping your case. Great. You have restated the obvious: it's possible Thanos wasn't 100%. Thank you Captain Obvious. It's not clear beyond a doubt that the anti-matter mine would work on him. No sh1t, Sherlock Holmes.Thanks for your negative proof fallacy. Here's another:
"You noobs. You can't say it's clear beyond a doubt that it wouldn't work again. You can't say without a doubt that any extra recovery would make a difference. It completely disintegrated him before. Maybe it half disintegrates him again. Or just disintegrates his chest. Fact is, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. So stop talking about the possibility that it wouldn't work. That's fact. Stop saying otherwise. blah, b1tch, moan, blah."
The fvck is that non-statement worth in this discussion (which completely mirrors your's)? It's worth sh1t. Stop selling it.
Where on God's Green Earth do you ever get that this statement means he totally recovered.. You do know basic english right? They NEVER said... he is 100% now... Thanos is back at full strength... we can't contain him now.. NOTHING that said nor even implied he was 100%. They said he's recovered too much NOT.. TOTALLY or FULLY or any other word like that. I believe it's you who needs to learn basic english, or at the very least, basic reading comprehension
Now are we forgetting how this whole conversation started... I think you are... I didn't come in here saying oooo he was weakened and thus we didn't know for no reason did I? You saying I'm being like captain obvious is a DIRECT result of you misspeaking, and like usual, me having to correct you. Not only in this thread but in other threads on the same subject. YOU and others said Thanos showed to be weak to anti-matter and that is all it would take to beat him. Hmmm see now why I had to come in here and correct? You never bothered to mention any of the stuff I pointed out that seriously calls into question whether it would actually work on a full powered thanos. So it was you leaving out key things and stating things as a fact (It would work, he IS vulnerable) which caused me to come here in the first place. It would be like a high powered gun hurting Superman.. and me going ooo yeah all we need is that high powered gun and superman is going to be hurt... while leaving out the part about him being weakened both physically and mentally.. That is why I had to come in here and correct you and others in the first place.. guess you forget that part, but don't worry I didn't forget your mistake.
Originally posted by rotiart
.... Noone knows what thanos was "actually" at... Except for the writers. After coming back from being completely destroyed he killed drax in one blast...Galactus during annihilation wiped out the whole wave after being screwed by annihilus for lord knows how long...
There's no telling how powerful thantimatter actually is or vice versa how weak thanos actually was... Or even if thanos himself has a weakness to "antimatter or if it's just powerful in it's own right....
Thnos has taken hits from galctus, Odin etc you name it... So pick a reasoning and you'll probably find which way you are inclined... Either reasoning probably works
I agree.. but I am having to point this out to people who keep claiming IT WOULD work or ALL YOU NEED IS ANTI MATTER to defeat Thanos. Thanks to those little gems and I had to make an appearance and get the facts straight.