Zach Galifianakis and Weed

Originally posted by inimalist
we'd have to confront our own first. God, I'd love a referendum on the issue, our national news, CBC, is totally in favor of it, the debate would get such good press coverage and our media wouldn't be completely knee jerk.

People who go on talk shows and ramble about all the "dangers" of pot get tough questions up here, its nice, but like, our citizens live in one world and our government another... LOL, our conservative party got the queen of england to shut down our government for a month to avoid being elected out of power (though, we were going on 4 elections in 5 years).

Originally posted by inimalist
I hear what you are saying, and maybe we just run with different crowds, but I've had lots of debates at parties about whether marijuana is really a miracle herb that opens your mind and cures all diseases [I'm only exaggerating a little], and it seems more like these are the arguments people have had with themselves about why they think its ok that they can do it, rather than as political theory.

I also think a lot of them don't take into account the bad experiences people have with drugs, especially the hallucinogens, but this is a totally other conversation

Hallucinogens, I don't know what you're talking about. What heavy users of acid, psilocybin etc, haven't ever had a bad trip before? Its a known risk, and sometimes you just have to confront it. At least you aren't doing yourself permanent harm wrecking your liver with booze.

Originally posted by inimalist
which is weird, because there are so many libertarians in America... Like, all the people in the Republican party, who worship at the alter of Rand and Friedman, also fall right in line with the "Just say no" Regan attitude. [which is amazing, in one breath, "government is not the solution, government is the problem", in the next "ramp up government spending on elite police forces to harass the inner city"... maybe he took it too literally, as in, he is now in the government and feels obliged to cause problems]

Originally posted by inimalist
I used to party with a lot of hippies, so I hear that

there is also the fact that, until recently, the war on drugs has made any real information about substances pretty much unavailable. So, when new stuff comes out that does find addictive or carcinogenic qualities to marijuana, there is a huge skepticism, because "government" and "science" are all the same in their perception, and they can't be trusted. [though, to be fair, up until the early 90s this was true]

Originally posted by King Kandy
The queen can still do that? Isn't that kind of a blatant violation of democracy?

my proudest day as an Englishman

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree, people do exaggerate the benefits of marijuana (personally, I feel most of marijuana's supposed medical benefits are flimsy... I support medical marijuana specifically because people will abuse the system to use it without real medical need).

I don't know a lot about the "medicinal" qualities other than quality of life stuff. It triggers appetite and helps with pain, someone that makes it amazing for people undergoing cancer or aids treatments. As far as it actively fighting disease, I'm skeptical also.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hallucinogens, I don't know what you're talking about. What heavy users of acid, psilocybin etc, haven't ever had a bad trip before? Its a known risk, and sometimes you just have to confront it. At least you aren't doing yourself permanent harm wrecking your liver with booze.

huh, I come accross lots of people who have trouble with the idea that drugs just aren't for some people

Originally posted by King Kandy
Like I said, there are so many "libertarians", but most of them actually are in favor of expanded government, as long as its enforcing their conservative social views. Religious Right in Libertarian's clothing.

I really hope the religious right stops bleeding into our politics. Canadian citizens seem to be against it, but imho it seems more prevelant now than like 5 years ago, or maybe I'm just more sensitive to it. America seems to define what all conservatives believe, or at least, thats how it seems here.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait, studies prove its carcinogenic? Every study i've seen was inconclusive, or showed the exact opposite. Was there a bunch of new research?

"prove" is a tough term, but there are studies, in rats, that show certain chemicals within the plant are carcinogenic.

This is a long step from "Pot will give you cancer", but there are lots of people for whom even admitting that there is some problem is sacrelige.

The same with addiction. I tend to think people don't want it to have these qualities, so they can group it as something totally different from other drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, but again, all this might just be our social groups. I guess, my closest friends arent really like this, just those damn dirty hippies

Originally posted by inimalist
my proudest day as an Englishman

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't know a lot about the "medicinal" qualities other than quality of life stuff. It triggers appetite and helps with pain, someone that makes it amazing for people undergoing cancer or aids treatments. As far as it actively fighting disease, I'm skeptical also.

Originally posted by inimalist
huh, I come accross lots of people who have trouble with the idea that drugs just aren't for some people

Originally posted by inimalist
"prove" is a tough term, but there are studies, in rats, that show certain chemicals within the plant are carcinogenic.

This is a long step from "Pot will give you cancer", but there are lots of people for whom even admitting that there is some problem is sacrelige.

The same with addiction. I tend to think people don't want it to have these qualities, so they can group it as something totally different from other drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, but again, all this might just be our social groups. I guess, my closest friends arent really like this, just those damn dirty hippies

Originally posted by inimalist
most polls predicted the measure was running at 50%, the most optimistic saying "prop 19 might have a chance", it was considered a long shot from the beginning

Oh, is that so? I had no idea, I do not keep up with politics. When it came down to voting, I did some research to know what I'm voting for and leave it at that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What's the legal standing of doing that? Like can the cops do anything about it since it's on national television? (I recall that Kavorkian was arrested for comments made during an interview)

loved the stunt by the way and low risk as it was, it still took balls

everyone smokes or has smoked in their life.... lets move on

Originally posted by tootop
everyone smokes or has smoked in their life

Wut.

That's not true, but it certainly has become extremely prevalent in the US.