Colossus vs Rogue

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
The sites where you guys download the comics.

You wont get in trouble for that. If you're worried about the downloading aspect then you can just use viewcomic, readcomic etc. You aren't onwloading it then just viewing the comic someone else has uploaded. I've downloaded at least 6 Terabytes of comics in my time and never had a problem.

But either way you wouldn't get in trouble.

Originally posted by Magnon

And, as said, she has absorbed Colossus' powers (when metallic) several times.

He looks armourless there when she was making contact.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He looks armourless there when she was making contact.

Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...

Here are the scans.

https://i.postimg.cc/XY7SxXHj/1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/g2S97dQv/2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65hxdChb/3.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #247

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The sites where you guys download the comics.

They are more secure than KMC is.

And nobody needs to dl these days.

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...

Ah okay

Regardless Rogue wins in either scenario.

As far as the their actual stats goes, I'm not familiar with a lot of the more recent stuff Rogue has done, so she might have reached heights I don't know of. For years though, I felt it was generally assumed that he was more durable than she was, while she had the advantages of speed and flight. Strength could be argued, but I would generally pick Colossus tbh.

As far as the absorption thing goes, this is what I was able to put together:

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Uncanny X-Men #179 This is the first actual absorption of Colossus by Rogue. After being heated and then subsequently cooled by Pyro and Avalanche, Colossus is trapped in a kind of "frozen" state. Rogue's absorption of his power turns him back in to his "Human" form, allowing the Morlocks to heal him.

https://imgur.com/M34nPjl
https://imgur.com/4GMDNXj

Uncanny X-Men #194 While fighting Nimrod, Rogue absorbs the powers of both Colossus and Nightcrawler so as to better fight the future Sentinel.

https://imgur.com/SGDPwPF

X-Men and Alpha Flight #1 During a Danger Room session gone wrong, Rogue is struck and falls from the air. Colossus being Colossus, he puts himself at risk to catch her and their skin-to-skin contact causes her to absorb his powers.

https://imgur.com/KR7XpOj

Uncanny X-Men #208 While going up against The Hellfire Club, Rogue accidentally absorbs Colossus's powers while trying to prevent him being sunk in to the Earth by Harry Leland.

https://imgur.com/FIHcMy9

Uncanny X-Men 247 Rogue absorbs Colossus's power so that she can add it to her own during a battle with Master Mold.

https://imgur.com/PWZ8SW2

So already we have five instances of Colossus's powers being absorbed by Rogue, all written by Chris Claremont. There can be little doubt of his intent as regards Colossus's vulnerability to Rogue during that period. It should be noted that the last time Claremont had it happen, in Uncanny X-Men #247, was AFTER Colossus had undergone his first upgrade in the wake of the Morlock Massacre (Uncanny X-Men #211).

Back in 1985 there was also the X-Men Heroes for Hope One Shot, which, while obviously not canon, was overseen by Claremont, so it serves as supplementary evidence that the person that by and large defined both Colossus and Rogue intended for her to be able to take his powers.

https://imgur.com/XNbe8gq
https://imgur.com/tCJwtUu

X-Men #80 In an issue written by Joe Kelly in the late 90s, we see Rogue absorbing the powers of Colossus (among others) so that she can fight Cerebro's X-Men.

https://imgur.com/32BcvpK
https://imgur.com/xt7odsb

X-Men Legacy #235 Takes on the powers of Colossus and several X-Men so as to better protect Hope Summers in an issue written by Mike Carey.

https://imgur.com/0dwN6E3

Cable and X-Force #10 Steals Colossus's powers while fighting Domino in an issue written by Dennis Hallum.

https://imgur.com/gLULJrF

So yes, the consensus at Marvel seems to be that, even if Colossus still had the numerous resistances offered by his organic-steel skin, he would not be immune to Rogue's touch. That does not mean, however, that an alternative wasn't considered at one point.

In 2000, during an arc written by Chris Claremont himself where the X-Men fight The Neo, we see enough to hint that Claremont was going to make some changes.

X-Men #100 Colossus in his metal form touches Rogue without suffering any ill-effects.

https://imgur.com/Rh3OnVR

X-Men #102 Colossus has his powers absorbed by Rogue, but this is WITHOUT skin-to-skin contact. I don't quite understand why her powers are going haywire, so if someone could correct me on it, I'd appreciate it.

https://imgur.com/TetBdCx

X-Men #106 Colossus makes it a point to turn from metal to flesh before kissing Rogue, allowing her to absorb his powers. Rogue even comments on the transformation.

https://imgur.com/qQybQP2

X-Men #107 Colossus, in his Human form, takes Rogue's hand, and is subsequently brought low by her absorption powers.

https://imgur.com/7yZvPVB

From that, I don't think it's much of a leap to believe that Claremont, the man that had defined these characters in the first place (he even created Rogue), was at least in the early stages of changing the nature of how their powers interacted with each other. It might not have been carried on by Marvel, but the idea of Colossus's skin granting him unusual resistances is not a new one.

^ Nice put together in short time Pr.

As for strength/durability comparisons, I agree Colossus has always had the edge in strength and was definitely more durable. But I do think Rogues flight, speed, agility would still give her the definitive edge in a fight (without power absorption obviously).

Right now though she had the strength of Wonder Man I believe, so shes probably stronger now as well.

Not *always*, let's not go too crazy.

As for Wonder Man, he's an overrated piece of shit. His upper limits might be impressive, but there's a good reason nobody - not Carol, not anyone - was afraid to face that turd in h2h.

He's Ares one win 👆

Yes 👆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Nice put together in short time Pr.

As for strength/durability comparisons, I agree Colossus has always had the edge in strength and was definitely more durable. But I do think Rogues flight, speed, agility would still give her the definitive edge in a fight (without power absorption obviously).

Right now though she had the strength of Wonder Man I believe, so shes probably stronger now as well.

Thanks, I'd love to pretend i just whipped it up but it's been sitting in a notepad file for a while now.

Strength wise i would go by Colossus post resurrection and possibly post Morlocks but before that not sure. And again i only say that while possibly not knowing some of Rogue's better feats. She's in a lot of books i either didn't read or only read once because after a while she did nothing for me as a character.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not *always*, let's not go too crazy.

Did Rogue used to be stronger? I guess they were pretty much on par in classic versions. Whilst Colossus was the more durable.

Thought Domino was the reason Rogue powers were going crazy..

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41465000/SmartSelect_20190701-123024_Chrome.jpg.html

It's not Domino.

I know... auto correct. DominA.

👆

I knew she could mess with powers but I didn't know she was the reason Rogue was all over the place. Good to know.

Carver just schooled Pr like it weren't nothing but a thang

Hey, it's not my fault Rogue is so awful that I couldn't remember whether she'd absorbed anyone by proximity before.