Colossus vs Rogue

Originally posted by -Pr-
All joking aside, I like some versions of Rogue well enough. She wouldn't be my favourite character or anything, but I think Claremont's Rogue was an interesting character with good arcs. Her trying to handle Carol's psyche is some good stuff.

Around the time of Joseph though, I feel like she just kinda went... Meh? The "will they, won't they" stuff with Gambit, making her a team leader... It just wasn't handled well I thought. I don't even think they're great ideas, but still, they could have been handled better.

Why? They're the X-Men, not the Avengers.

Yep. It was suggested at one point that he wasn't even Colossus level, though if he has a feat I'm not recalling it, that would trump any statements.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ So he could be part of the team with his full powerset?

That would obviously be their biggest physical brick. But hes always switching. And I agree X-Men are not Avengers so dont really need that level of a brick anyway.

I only saw a few of the scans so I don't know what came of it, but yeah, presumably. The X-Men is a mess right now anyway though, so it'll be interesting to see what Hickman does with them this month.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Juggernaut74 swears up and down that Juggy was stronger than Namor because that would make Colossus stronger than Namor.

Well he's morally superior, at least he used to be... That has to count for something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
100% chance. Your hatred for Namor is well known.

Juggernaut at his weakest crushes Namor.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Namor is a tool.

Juggernaut at his weakest crushes Namor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I only saw a few of the scans so I don't know what came of it, but yeah, presumably. The X-Men is a mess right now anyway though, so it'll be interesting to see what Hickman does with them this month.

Well he's morally superior, at least he used to be... That has to count for something.

I kid, I kid. Don't ban me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course. But then he will be their enemy again tomorrow.

"Of course"?

Depowered Juggs was a pushover and he kept losing more and more of his power. X-Men/Excalibur just wasn't the best period in his career, feats-wise.

Read comics, Darth Thorgina.

Depowered Juggs was a beast. Smashing the likes of Sasquatch, amped Rhino, small Alpha Flight squad, doing well better than most bricks against WWHulk, Hyperion, Thor, etc.

Namor is still stronger than him.

Namor couldn't beat Sasquatch no way he's going to beat Juggernaut.

Namor never fought 616 Sasquatch. He is stronger than depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Depowered Juggs was a beast. Smashing the likes of Sasquatch, amped Rhino, small Alpha Flight squad, doing well better than most bricks against WWHulk, Hyperion, Thor, etc.

Why are you treating X-Men/Exc Cain and T-Bolts Cain as the same version?

Smashed Sasquatch? It was a stalemate...?

He needed a gun to take care of Rhino.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor never fought 616 Sasquatch. He is stronger than depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why are you treating X-Men/Exc Cain and T-Bolts Cain as the same version?

Smashed Sasquatch? It was a stalemate...?

He needed a gun to take care of Rhino.

As depowerments can vary.

And Cain spent a lot of time fighting on the side of angels the first time he got depowered and it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR how he was losing even more of his power as time passed. He even feared one day an angry mob of peasants would be a threat to him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Namor is overrated. Why are you assuming not is the better question.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As depowerments can vary.

And Cain spent a lot of time fighting on the side of angels the first time he got depowered and it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR how he was losing even more of his power as time passed. He even feared one day an angry mob of peasants would be a threat to him.

X-Men Juggernaut and Thunderbolts Juggy were around the same power level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor is also stronger than Colossus and depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
When he was at his weakest he became a farmer after he left Thunderbolts he was able to be a beat a X squad that included Iceman and one-shotted Class 75 Man-Killer.

X-Men Juggernaut and Thunderbolts Juggy were around the same power level.

Don't forget how he trashed Colossus there, too.

No, they really weren't.

I want to see scans.

Scans like this

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I want to see scans

Just for you, my love:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans like this

😂

👆

He really was at his worst then.