Marijuana

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Originally posted by inimalist
alcohol isn't considered a "gateway" drug, because by and large, the "gateway" argument is the "slippery-slope" fallacy: "Person does X, therefore they will do things worse than X".

there might be a little bit of "truth" to the idea of pot as a gateway though. Even if you only smoke pot, you are likely to come into contact with people who would offer you something harder, simply because it is something they use themselves (like, if I have a vial of K, I will offer some to other people I'm out with, simply to be polite).

However, one need not even use pot for this to happen, simply hang around people who use drugs, thus "pot" isn't a "gateway"

Originally posted by Mindship
Because it's legal?

Right, but but the argument usually goes: people who snort cocaine or shoot heroine up their eyesockets usually do or have smoked pot, or marijuana was the first drug they took, etc. so despite pot being harmless by itself, people who do it are more likely to become addicted to heavy drugs. Thing is... almost everyone who does illegal drugs, including pot, also drinks and started drinking before doing them. So you might as well say alcohol is a gateway to marijuana and or heavier stuff. In fact, from jy contact with them, I find that heavy coke snorters and serious pill poppers usually do not go for pot, but almost invariably drink heavily.

Originally posted by 753
Right, but but the argument usually goes: people who snort cocaine or shoot heroine up their eyesockets usually do or have smoked pot, or marijuana was the first drug they took, etc. so despite pot being harmless by itself, people who do it are more likely to become addicted to heavy drugs. Thing is... almost everyone who does illegal drugs, including pot, also drinks and started drinking before doing them. So you might as well say alcohol is a gateway to marijuana and or heavier stuff. In fact, from jy contact with them, I find that heavy coke snorters and serious pill poppers usually do not go for pot, but almost invariably drink heavily.

very true, pot is often the hardest thing to find at a rave, even at multi-day festivals, though people will drink their faces off.

actually, for a while in the 90s/2000s, E use in highschoolers was higher than pot use, so there is a total distinction between the two.

also, the news media is the gateway, I suppose

Though to be honest I think ecstasy should probably be de-scheduled as well... not necessarily "anyone who wants it can buy it over the counter" but there reasonable reasons to prescribe it to people.

MDMA is pretty benign, I'd have no issue with it being legal in pure form

I don't know enough research to know if it should have limits, but, I do know that schedule 1 is way too high.

the big problem with E is what it gets cut with, or irresponsible use of it (a lot of deaths at raves that were associated with drugs were actually people drinking too much water).

There might be some long term stuff with dopamine systems and parkinsons, but it is hard to find subjects who aren't poly-drug users, and coke/meth do have serious effects on those systems, so it isn't conclusive.

It is definately not as bad as alcohol, imho, and no way the same as cigarettes.

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its really weird to see this, but it is an interesting shift of perspective. Imagine we were moving from a world where drugs (marijuana specifically) were legal, and being made illegal. How would proponents of prohibition not seem laughably naieve about being able to "win a war" against drugs in the same way Bhutan seems doomed to failure?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I used to be a pot head and i still partake in the occasional spliff. I think Pot is incredibly overrated. Not only for how it's demonized but also for it's popularity. I always preferred uppers and psychedelics, myself. Pot just makes me stupid and lazy. The best times i've had while using pot came while playing guitar or just relaxing to a good CD. For me, if i'm going to make the effort to get high i prefer a drug that is going to change my perspective or give me a sense of keener focus and energy.
I like weed, but I have never been able to get my hands on any psychedelics. I'm never gonna try meth, coke or any other upper because i've had relatives who have died from meth (Indiana amirite?) Although I did smoke weed at a party that was laced with X (is that an upper?) and I did like that quite a bit as well but the next week and a half sucked balls.

For me, marijuana actually is an upper. I mean not always but I get very manic while high compared to my friends.

Originally posted by King Kandy
For me, marijuana actually is an upper. I mean not always but I get very manic while high compared to my friends.
Same, well, kinda. I get more anxious when I'm around people and high, but then I'm super chill if I'm alone or with like 1 person. My point with avoiding uppers is that they're too addictive and it's easy to O.D. on em. Weed is like impossible to od on i think.

Also, interesting effect that I just wanted to see if anyone else experiences when they are high. Does anyone really love to dance while stoned? I love it and I don't know why. I'm not really a dancer either so it can be a bit embarrassing.

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
Also, interesting effect that I just wanted to see if anyone else experiences when they are high. Does anyone really love to dance while stoned? I love it and I don't know why. I'm not really a dancer either so it can be a bit embarrassing.

Yeah, definitely. That's pretty common.

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
Also, interesting effect that I just wanted to see if anyone else experiences when they are high. Does anyone really love to dance while stoned? I love it and I don't know why. I'm not really a dancer either so it can be a bit embarrassing.

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I think people make too big a deal about marijuana. I mean why make it illegal when cigarettes are legal and more harmful. Alcohol can kill you if you often drink too much. Then you have salvia which is a 5 to 10 minute high, but it really messes you up, epecially if you have a bad high. You could jump off a building because you think you can fly.

Cannabis.....Legalize It

Originally posted by Darth Piggott
I think people make too big a deal about marijuana. I mean why make it illegal when cigarettes are legal and more harmful. Alcohol can kill you if you often drink too much. Then you have salvia which is a 5 to 10 minute high, but it really messes you up, epecially if you have a bad high. You could jump off a building because you think you can fly.

Cannabis.....Legalize It


You know you're supposed to have a sitter if you're a newbie to salvia right?

yeah put them on drugs then WE CAN control them.
it's a lie Marijuana! its makes people careless, lazy..Wake up there are people in this World that want to Rule it!

Originally posted by alltoomany
yeah put them on drugs then WE CAN control them.
it's a lie Marijuana! its makes people careless, lazy..Wake up there are people in this World that want to Rule it!

hahaha... so wrong its funny. Ever read "Brave New World".

The computer age and pot..ummm

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know you're supposed to have a sitter if you're a newbie to salvia right?

Yea I know that, but not everyone does. I guess if you wanted to get high you could try spice. It's not for human consumption but I heard that it is like a B grade on the cannibis scale.

Originally posted by Darth Piggott
Yea I know that, but not everyone does. I guess if you wanted to get high you could try spice. It's not for human consumption but I heard that it is like a B grade on the cannibis scale.

There are a handful of legal highs. Salvia, some of these synthetic cannabanoids, mephedrone ("bath salts"😉, in most countries but not the US Amanita mushrooms... personally i'd stick with weed regardless, most of those are terrible.