RoTS Vader vs Half-Blood Prince

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh god, I would reply RJ, but I've gotta go check myself into hospital for all the ****in' fires you done set on me. And now all these fresh ones? Jezus man, I'm only human for ****s sake!

OK, battle begins. You think Snape, one of the most brilliant minds in the wizarding world, is gonna go toe to toe with Vader? You think Snape is an idiot?

No. He is gonna distance himself from Vader. He is gonna give himself room to fight. And when Vader closes the gap, Snape will simply apparate again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Each time buying himself the needed distance to do Vader in.

Now, let's talk spell casting and Force powers, the speed in which it takes both to be executed. It takes Vader a second or so to raise his hand and do force choke, push or pull. It takes about the same time for Snape to raise his wand and cast a spell. This is where Apparating comes into play. Snape can apparate anywhere he wants, anytime he wants. This counters any and all force powers. Fact.

Now, let's talk about blocking spells. Magic cannot block the force, and the force cannot block Magic. Only the force can counter the force, and only magic can counter magic. If Vader tries to block a Reducto spell, it's likely gonna reverberate down his blade, into his lightsaber pommel, and explode in his hands.

Mind control: Vader showed not one feat of being able to counter Legilimens. Snape will access his mind, read it, control it, unhinge it.

Apparition: It's instantaneous. Don't believe me? Observe, FF to :48

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And here, FF to 1:04

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Yes, it is instantaneous, AND the higher powered wizards (Dumbledore, Voldemort, Snape, Death Eaters) can go INVISIBLE while half apparating. AND they can cast spells while half apparating.

The whole "Vader has faster reaction time" bullshit comes into play only if Snape is within reach of the lightsaber. Apparition>>>>>>>>>>>Faster reaction time.

Any questions?

Yeah: Can you slow down!? I am just wearing out so many pens taking all these important notes! Fuuuuuuuuck! **** you for ruining all my good note-taking pens and giving me this terrible cramp in my good note-taking hand! God Damn!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah: Can you slow down! I am just wearing out so many pens taking all these important notes! Fuuuuuuuuck! **** you for ruining all my good note-taking pens and giving me this terrible cramp in my good note-taking hand! God Damn!

They were all outta those I'm afraid. All they had were large quantities of me not giving a shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They were all outta those I'm afraid. All they had were large quantities of me not giving a shit.

Well then maybe next time you should get your own damn coke you lazy ass!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well then maybe next time you should get your own damn coke you lazy ass!

Sure? The cokes ice coooo-old!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Several spells and jinxes are.......wait for it.......NON VERBAL.

Apparition. You know, teleporting. If Vader grabs him via the force, apparate away. It's instantaneous.

Th wizard DOES have better range. You see, you gotta WATCH the HP movies.

Pre Cog is at best flawed, I have proven this several times in several threads.

So if Snape apparates 100 yards away, Vader will know to attack instantly? All Snape needs to do is apparate AGAIN. And again. And again. Whenever Vader gets close enough to attack, Snape merely apparates again.

Bullshit, Watch the vid, the spell travelled MUCH faster than a blaster bolt. It hit Draco instantly.

What's Vader gonna do when Snape unhinges his mind?

Try harder.

Verbal, non-verbal, wizard's not casting when he's just had an invisible force just slam his ass with a tremendous amount of pressure, again, he's human; not some juggernaut. It's going to mess him up and put him out, at least for a time, more than enough time for force-powered Anakin to attack again and again.

Same goes for the teleporting, he's just been slammed, his bearing will be ****ed up. Wizard = human; not some uber tank.

They both can attack what they can see in their line of sight, guy.

Force-Precognition is fallible, I've argued the same thing many a time(often agaisnt you, when you used to be a SW fangirl), but not from one human who reacts and attacks at human speeds. 10 wizards attacking at once or if they were Spider-man fast or faster, sure, precog would/could falter.

Bullshit? Not talking about the rate of travel of the spell; the spells aren't the problem her for the wizard, it's his human limitations. Jedi/Sith are WAY faster, plus the precog.

Again, this "unhinging of minds" relies of the wizard being able to attack before Anakin ****s his shit up; it's not likely.

Look at it this way, they're both very powerful and can either kill or incapacitate each other with a single attack, I think we'd both agree to this. So logically it comes down to who can attack first.

You try harder in proving that a regular human is both faster than Jedi/Sith reaction-times and Force-precognition.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sure? The cokes ice coooo-old!

No matter which side you pick here, you gotta admit that not having to listen to Anakin whine like a schoolgirl will be a relief.

I'd prefer his whiny over Snape's fanfiction fangirls. Those chicks be crazy (and horny!)!

Remember when I said I didn't give a shit? THAT WAS SOME MACHIAVELLIAN MASTER PLAN BITCHES! NOBODY EXPECTS NEPHTHYS' COUNTER-ARGUMENT! BECUASE MY CHIEF WEAPON IS SURPRISE! FEEL MY UNEXPECTED WRATH HOE!

OK, battle begins. You think Snape, one of the most brilliant minds in the wizarding world, is gonna go toe to toe with Vader? You think Snape is an idiot?

No, I think Snapes gonna do what every single other wizard in both the movies and books does in a fight: Not use apparition!

No. He is gonna distance himself from Vader. He is gonna give himself room to fight. And when Vader closes the gap, Snape will simply apparate again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Each time buying himself the needed distance to do Vader in.

Prove Snape can apparant out of a Force Choke.

Now, let's talk spell casting and Force powers, the speed in which it takes both to be executed. It takes Vader a second or so to raise his hand and do force choke, push or pull.

Except Vader has precog, hightened reflexes and force speed to make sure he does so beforesnape does.

It takes about the same time for Snape to raise his wand and cast a spell.

Bull. You need to raise your hand, do the wand movement and say teh spell. Not only does Anakin hae the Force on his side but he's a physically fit 20-year old Jedi in his prime and the peak of health. Snape is a 40-something potions teacher. Which do you think'll get their attack off first. Also bare in mind that Force choke happens instantly, whilst spells take time to travel most of the time (Avada Kadava being the foremost in my mind and the spell least likely to hit at this years prom).

Now, let's talk about blocking spells. Magic cannot block the force, and the force cannot block Magic. Only the force can counter the force, and only magic can counter magic. If Vader tries to block a Reducto spell, it's likely gonna reverberate down his blade, into his lightsaber pommel, and explode in his hands.

Er, no? The Force can interact with physical objects, as can magic, so I see no reason why they cannot interact with each other. The difference being of course that The Force permeats all life and so can move with seeming independence from its master, whilst magic must be focused through a wand and 'shot' at a target. This makes magic blockable and the Force not.

Mind control: Vader showed not one feat of being able to counter Legilimens. Snape will access his mind, read it, control it, unhinge it.

All jedi have telepathy. What do you think the jedi mind trick is, just asking really nicely?

Apparition: It's instantaneous. Don't believe me? Observe, FF to :48

Not apparition.

And here, FF to 1:04

Not apparition.

You know they've actually shown apparition in one of the trailers right? And it wasn't instantaneous?

The whole "Vader has faster reaction time" bullshit comes into play only if Snape is within reach of the lightsaber. Apparition>>>>>>>>>>>Faster reaction time.

No. Vader crushes his head. GG Snape you greasy pillock.

Originally posted by Robtard
Verbal, non-verbal, wizard's not casting when he's just had an invisible force just slam his ass with a tremendous amount of pressure, again, he's human; not some juggernaut. It's going to mess him up and put him out, at least for a time, more than enough time for force-powered Anakin to attack again and again.

No. By the time Vader casts a force attack, Snape'll be halfway around the world.

Same goes for the teleporting, he's just been slammed, his bearing will be ****ed up. Wizard = human; not some uber tank.

Magic attacks>>>>>Force attacks. Much stronger, much more range.

Try again.

They both can attack what they can see in their line of sight, guy.

Force-Precognition is fallible, I've argued the same thing many a time(often agaisnt you, when you used to be a SW fangirl), but not from one human who reacts and attacks at human speeds. 10 wizards attacking at once or if they were Spider-man fast or faster, sure, precog would/could falter.

No. By the time Vader casts a force attack, Snape'll be halfway around the world.

Bullshit? Not talking about the rate of travel of the spell; the spells aren't the problem her for the wizard, it's his human limitations. Jedi/Sith are WAY faster, plus the precog.

Again, this "unhinging of minds" relies of the wizard being able to attack before Anakin ****s his shit up; it's not likely.

Look at it this way, they're both very powerful and can either kill or incapacitate each other with a single attack, I think we'd both agree to this. So logically it comes down to who can attack first.

Only way Vader kills instantly is with a saber stroke.

Apparition. Halfway around the world. Oh my!!!

You try harder in proving that a regular human is both faster than Jedi/Sith reaction-times and Force-precognition.

No. By the time Vader casts a force attack, Snape'll be halfway around the world.

Then Vader wins by Battlefield removal and ring-out btw.

Much stronger, much more range.

Vader FChoking a dude half the galaxy away says hi.

Edit: Also, wank apparition harder plz!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Remember when I said I didn't give a shit? THAT WAS SOME MACHIAVELLIAN MASTER PLAN BITCHES! NOBODY EXPECTS NEPHTHYS' COUNTER-ARGUMENT! BECUASE MY CHIEF WEAPON IS SURPRISE! FEEL MY UNEXPECTED WRATH HOE!

No, I think Snapes gonna do what every single other wizard in both the movies and books does in a fight: [b]Not use apparition![/b]

Next question.

Prove Snape can apparant out of a Force Choke.

Except Vader has precog, hightened reflexes and force speed to make sure he does so beforesnape does.

Heightened reflexes is a given.

Force speed? Hmm, he didn't use it much. Wait, he never used it. But I'll allow it. Counter? Immobulus. Thanks for playing.

Bull. You need to raise your hand, do the wand movement and say teh spell. Not only does Anakin hae the Force on his side but he's a physically fit 20-year old Jedi in his prime and the peak of health. Snape is a 40-something potions teacher. Which do you think'll get their attack off first. Also bare in mind that Force choke happens instantly, whilst spells take time to travel most of the time (Avada Kadava being the foremost in my mind and the spell least likely to hit at this years prom).

Watch the vids. Then watch vids of Vader using force powers. It's about the same speed.

Yes, it is.

Er, no? The Force can interact with physical objects, as can magic, so I see no reason why they cannot interact with each other. The difference being of course that The Force permeats all life and so can move with seeming independence from its master, whilst magic must be focused through a wand and 'shot' at a target. This makes magic blockable and the Force not.

Bottom line:

Force has never been shown blocking magic.

Magic has never been shown blocking the force.

It's a futile debate proving which can block the other. BTW: No force user was ever shown force attacking through a stone wall.

All jedi have telepathy. What do you think the jedi mind trick is, just asking really nicely?

Not apparition.

Not apparition.

You know they've actually shown apparition in one of the trailers right? And it wasn't instantaneous?

No. Vader crushes his head. GG Snape you greasy pillock.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then Vader wins by Battlefield removal and ring-out btw.

Vader FChoking a dude half the galaxy away says hi.

Edit: Also, wank apparition harder plz!

Here, proof that Vader casting a force choke takes the same time as it takes a wizard to cast a spell:

Vader force choking Padme:

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Harry using sectumsempra:

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Keep an eye on the youtube timer, both attacks are cast and strike their victims in about one second.

Coupla things though.....Vader was right in Padme's face when he choked her. Harry? He was 20 feet from Draco. And look at the damage it did, it tore Draco's entire torso up. It his Draco in multiple points, all at the same time. No blocking that.

Now, imagine Snape using sectumsempra, it's HIS spell, He invented it. He will be faster with it, and the damage will be even more severe.

Now, here's Sidious attacking Yoda with force lightning:

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About the same speed/time, a second or so.

A Jedi will tear any wizard up toe to toe. You could surround Annie with 4 death eaters, all 5 feet away, and he'd cut them down in seconds.

BUT.....A wizards power is on a different level than a Jedi. A wizard has many more options, more weapons, more powerful shit to work with. Straight up fighting? Jedi rapes. A power battle? Wizard rapes. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

K.

DAMN STRAIGHT.

Riiiiiiiiight......And when he sees Vader's speed, he'll apparate.

Next question.

OH YEAH, I LIKE, TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT SNAPES KEEN REFLEXES AND COMBAT SPEED. ALSO, PROOF THAT HE CAN SPAM APPARITION THAT FAST PLZ.

Aaaahahahahaaa don't be a tard. Apparition is a magical form of travel. It might prevent Snape from walking, from moving side to side, but apparating? It's not physical, it's magical.

WHICH IS WHY YOU NEED TO BE TOUCHING SOMEONE TO SIDE-ALONG APPARATE AS SEEN IN THE OPENING OF TH-BP.

Precog is fallible, it fails all the time.

Heightened reflexes is a given.

Force speed? Hmm, he didn't use it much. Wait, he never used it. But I'll allow it. Counter? Immobulus. Thanks for playing.

GET THE FRICK OUTTA HER 'ALL THE TIME'. uhuh

ITS ALL HE NEEDS REALLY. AND FORCE CHOKE. AND AIR.

WHATEVER.

Watch the vids. Then watch vids of Vader using force powers. It's about the same speed.

Yes, it is.

So what. Vader gets it off first and wins.

Next thread.

Bottom line:

Force has never been shown blocking magic.

Magic has never been shown blocking the force.

BOTTOM LINE? I FORGOT WHERE YOU GOT THE AUTHORITY TO DRAW THE LINE, CARE TO ENLIGTEN ME?

THE FORCE HAS STOPPED BLASTER BOLTS, WHY WON'T IT DO THE SAME TO A SPELL, WHEN SPELLS CAN BE STOPPED WITH A FRICKIN' HEADSTONE? OR A LIGHTSABER FOR THAT MATTER.

It's a futile debate proving which can block the other. BTW: No force user was ever shown force attacking through a stone wall.

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THROUGH A STARSHIP AND THE GALAXY.

Telepathy, backed by the force. Not backed by magic.

BIG WHOOP. PROVE THEY ARE INCOMPATABLE. ALSO, SNAPE WON'T GET A LEGILIMENS SPELL OFF ANYWAY.

Yup, it is.

ITS SMOKE. NOT TELEPORTATION.

Ahahahahaha wrong. It's been shown several times in the movies. See, you have to pay attention.

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ABOUT A THIRD OF A SECOND. NOT INSTANTANEOUS NUMBNUTS.

Nah, Vader never did that with force powers. Stop making shit up.

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DURASTEEL (300,000 TIMES HARDER THAN STEEL) > A HUMAN HEAD.

So now they are fighting in a ring, h2h? Then yeah, Vader rapes.

RUNING AWAY FROM TEH BATTLE COUNTS AS FORFIETING ON KMC.

That feat doesn't count here. Read the OP.

NOT TALKING ABOUT IN THE THREAD, JUST IN GENERAL. ALSO, SIDIOUS WAS BLOCKING JEDI'S ABILITY TO USE THE FORCE ACROSS THE ENTIRE GALAXY, IN THE MOVIES. SO HA.

Aw.

IN THE FACE, DO IT!

Straight up fighting? Jedi rapes. A power battle? Wizard rapes. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

NOR DO I. THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP FIGHT BTW. JUST IN CASE YOU HADN'T REALISED YET. JUST A HEADS-UP.

BTW I'M DOING CAPSLOCKS FOR THIS POST.

Originally posted by Nephthys
DAMN STRAIGHT.

OH YEAH, I LIKE, TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT SNAPES KEEN REFLEXES AND COMBAT SPEED. ALSO, PROOF THAT HE CAN SPAM APPARITION THAT FAST PLZ.

Proof? Well, that's like me asking you to prove Mace Windu can do a force push. Mace ws never shown doing a force push, but it'd be stupid to say he couldn't, right?

What's to keep Snape from apparating to one place, then another, then another? Nothing.

WHICH IS WHY YOU NEED TO BE TOUCHING SOMEONE TO SIDE-ALONG APPARATE AS SEEN IN THE OPENING OF TH-BP.

GET THE FRICK OUTTA HER 'ALL THE TIME'. uhuh

ITS ALL HE NEEDS REALLY. AND FORCE CHOKE. AND AIR.

So what. Vader gets it off first and wins.

Next thread.

Hmm? Yeah.

BOTTOM LINE? I FORGOT WHERE YOU GOT THE AUTHORITY TO DRAW THE LINE, CARE TO ENLIGTEN ME?

THE FORCE HAS STOPPED BLASTER BOLTS, WHY WON'T IT DO THE SAME TO A SPELL, WHEN SPELLS CAN BE STOPPED WITH A FRICKIN' HEADSTONE? OR A LIGHTSABER FOR THAT MATTER.

A lightsaber has no chance of blocking sectumsempra. See the vid I posted before.

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THOUGH A STARSHIP [B]AND THE GALAXY.[/b]

BIG WHOOP. PROVE THEY ARE INCOMPATABLE. ALSO, SNAPE WON'T GET A LEGILIMENS SPELL OFF ANYWAY.

Uh, one is magic and the other is the force.

Force scream doesn't count here. Deal with it. Besides, it had shit range.

ITS SMOKE. NOT TELEPORTATION.

Fine. Dumbledore and Harry apparate to the cave, instantly. Fred and George apparate inside the OOTP HQ, instantly.

ABOUT A THIRD OF A SECOND. NOT INSTANTANEOUS NUMBNUTS.

RUNING AWAY FROM TEH BATTLE COUNTS AS FORFIETING ON KMC.

NOT TALKING ABOUT IN THE THREAD, JUST IN GENERAL. ALSO, SIDIOUS WAS BLOCKING JEDI'S ABILITY TO USE THE FORCE ACROSS THE ENTIRE GALAXY, IN THE MOVIES. SO HA.

IN THE FACE, DO IT!

BTW I'M DOING CAPSLOCKS FOR THIS POST.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here you go again. You think Snape is just gonna sit there and say "OK, Im gonna let this whiny bastard attack first."

See, here's where you go again and think Anakin couldn't attack first with his abilities, where he wouldn't use his advantages and juts let the wizard do something 1st. In speed and reaction-time, wizard is human, Anakin is FAR faster/superior in this category.

The rest of your post can be ignored because you simply choose to ignore the above. ie Jedi/Sith speed > normal people.

PS Harry Potter is gay and so are you.