RoTS Vader vs Half-Blood Prince

Originally posted by Robtard
See, here's where you go again and think Anakin couldn't attack first with his abilities, where he wouldn't use his advantages and juts let the wizard do something 1st. In speed and reaction-time, wizard is human, Anakin is FAR faster/superior in this category.

The rest of your post can be ignored because you simply choose to ignore the above. ie Jedi/Sith speed > normal people.

PS Harry Potter is gay and so are you.

I fully acknowledge that Vader has faster reaction time. There's no question there.

What you fail to realize that apparition>>>>>>>>>>Vader's superior reaction time. And that he has no way to stop Snape from apparating.

Okay, I haven't replied to a post in ages, but I just couldn't sit by the wayside on this one.

First, you say Snape can apparate because we've seen other wizards do it, so therefor he can. However, when other Jedi (or the same one, only in later movies) are used as examples for what Anakin can do, you say it doesn't count. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

At the beginning of the 3rd movie, Anakin was able to defeat Dooku with relative ease. Dooku, by all accounts, was a Jedi Master capable of holding Yoda at bay for a short while. Anakin had the power of a master in the 3rd movie. There is no reason that we can't make some minor assumptions about what he can do, by sighting other jedi as examples, if you allow yourself to assume what Snape can do, based on what other wizards have done.

As for your videos proving the same speed, the only one that might count, is the second Star Wars video. The force chock Anakin did in your example was a slow, dramatic force chock against an unarmed Padme. He wasn't exactly pressed for speed there. However, his older self force chocked someone on another ship, half way across the galaxy, without raising a hand AND while promoting another person to that same position. Yes, it's an older Vader, from a different film (which is convenient), but if his older self can do it from that range, there's no reason not to assume that Anakin can't do it at a decent range, say...100 yards?

As for them apparating all the time and can never be hit by a force wielder, well then, I guess they can't be hit by spells from other wizards that are thrown all over the place during wizard fights because they can just apparate away from them as well...Oh wait, they do get hit all the time and wizards die all the time from spells being thrown across rooms. I guess you are right, a jedi could never throw a force push or pull that could hit a wizard...ever... 😉

And who says Vader needs to use his lightsaber to block spells? I assume there will be plenty of objects around that could be just as easily force pulled to block spells and the further away Snape is, the more time he'll have to place objects in the way. If spells can deflect off of tomb stones, I'm sure they'll deflect just fine off of any other object Anakin decides to place in their way.

Now, you say that Snape will choose a distance battle, but who says Vader/Anakin is going to sit still and let him apparate all over the place? Vader doesn't need to keep chasing him, he can use other tactics, like say...hide. While Snape apparates for the 3rd time (if he is able to), why would Anakin keep chasing him? He hides while he apparates away and lets Snape come to him. All Anakin needs is one surprise moment and it's over. If Snape knows how powerful Anakin is, I can assume the reverse is true. Anakin would know what Snape is capable of doing and use his knowledge to counter Snape's advantage. Anakin jumped from a flying vehicle, "fell" past hundreds of other flying vehicles and landed on the exact one he wanted to. That takes some serious skills, which would be very useful in countering someone who can apparate all over the place.

As for Harry's use of Snape's spell in the last movie as proof of how fast the spell is. First, look again at when Vader is waiting at the end of the table, when the doors open on Cloud City. Han's shots are blocked, along with his weapon being pulled away, all in less then 3 seconds. That, to me, show speeds equaling Harry's spell, which btw, was easily blocked by Snape later on in the movie. So much for it being so fast that a Jedi couldn't react to it. Second, he was fairly close to both Snape and Draco when he cast the spell. If Snape got that close to Anakin, that's not really a distance battle and Anakin could close the gap quickly, pull items from behind him to knock him out, or just throw his lightsaber...because that's never been done before. Vader didn't use hand gestures in the Cloud City fight against Luke. Hand gestures for a Jedi are more for style, than for application. Jedi's have used the force many times without raising a hand and if Anakin knew this was a disadvantage, why would he do it? A wand, on the other hand, is a must for any wizard...a huge disadvantage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saB4nIUU6FY
Skip to 2:55 to see the whole scene.

Oh, and refresh my memory, but I don't recall anyone in the Potter movies using magic through a wall either, so I don't know how it's relevant that the force was never used through a wall in the movies?

In closing, I must point out that I don't think this would be an easy win for Anakin. In fact, I think Snape definitely has the chance to win 3, or 4 out of 10 fights, possibly even splitting it evenly. I just think saying that Anakin doesn't stand a chance is just wrong. I also think saying that Harry Potter Magic>>>>than the force is just plain stupid. If we bring all the canon books, comics, and so forth into a thread about which is more powerful, Potter magic just doesn't hold a candle. I don't think it has nearly enough epic feats to match a tenth (a hundredth) of what the force has pulled off in the past 40 years that it's been around.

Finally, I'm sorry for the long winded response. I've never been good at keeping things short and sweet.

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Okay, I haven't replied to a post in ages, but I just couldn't sit by the wayside on this one.

First, you say Snape can apparate because we've seen other wizards do it, so therefor he can. However, when other Jedi (or the same one, only in later movies) are used as examples for what Anakin can do, you say it doesn't count. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

At the beginning of the 3rd movie, Anakin was able to defeat Dooku with relative ease. Dooku, by all accounts, was a Jedi Master capable of holding Yoda at bay for a short while. Anakin had the power of a master in the 3rd movie. There is no reason that we can't make some minor assumptions about what he can do, by sighting other jedi as examples, if you allow yourself to assume what Snape can do, based on what other wizards have done.

As for your videos proving the same speed, the only one that might count, is the second Star Wars video. The force chock Anakin did in your example was a slow, dramatic force chock against an unarmed Padme. He wasn't exactly pressed for speed there. However, his older self force chocked someone on another ship, half way across the galaxy, without raising a hand AND while promoting another person to that same position. Yes, it's an older Vader, from a different film (which is convenient), but if his older self can do it from that range, there's no reason not to assume that Anakin can't do it at a decent range, say...100 yards?

Saying Vader can do it at 100 yards is heresay. He had just discovered the power. Force choking from 2 feet away is his high end screen feat.

As for them apparating all the time and can never be hit by a force wielder, well then, I guess they can't be hit by spells from other wizards that are thrown all over the place during wizard fights because they can just apparate away from them as well...Oh wait, they do get hit all the time and wizards die all the time from spells being thrown across rooms. I guess you are right, a jedi could never throw a force push or pull that could hit a wizard...ever... 😉

And who says Vader needs to use his lightsaber to block spells? I assume there will be plenty of objects around that could be just as easily force pulled to block spells and the further away Snape is, the more time he'll have to place objects in the way. If spells can deflect off of tomb stones, I'm sure they'll deflect just fine off of any other object Anakin decides to place in their way.

Now, you say that Snape will choose a distance battle, but who says Vader/Anakin is going to sit still and let him apparate all over the place?

Vader doesn't need to keep chasing him, he can use other tactics, like say...hide. While Snape apparates for the 3rd time (if he is able to), why would Anakin keep chasing him? He hides while he apparates away and lets Snape come to him.

Vader in ROTS was foolhardy and brash, he won't hide. He'll go right at Snape.

All Anakin needs is one surprise moment and it's over.

If Snape knows how powerful Anakin is, I can assume the reverse is true. Anakin would know what Snape is capable of doing and use his knowledge to counter Snape's advantage. Anakin jumped from a flying vehicle, "fell" past hundreds of other flying vehicles and landed on the exact one he wanted to. That takes some serious skills, which would be very useful in countering someone who can apparate all over the place.

As for Harry's use of Snape's spell in the last movie as proof of how fast the spell is. First, look again at when Vader is waiting at the end of the table, when the doors open on Cloud City. Han's shots are blocked, along with his weapon being pulled away, all in less then 3 seconds.

That, to me, show speeds equaling Harry's spell, which btw, was easily blocked by Snape later on in the movie.

So much for it being so fast that a Jedi couldn't react to it. Second, he was fairly close to both Snape and Draco when he cast the spell.

If Snape got that close to Anakin, that's not really a distance battle and Anakin could close the gap quickly, pull items from behind him to knock him out, or just throw his lightsaber...because that's never been done before.

Vader didn't use hand gestures in the Cloud City fight against Luke. Hand gestures for a Jedi are more for style, than for application.

Jedi's have used the force many times without raising a hand and if Anakin knew this was a disadvantage, why would he do it?

Yeah, thought so.

A wand, on the other hand, is a must for any wizard...a huge disadvantage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saB4nIUU6FY
Skip to 2:55 to see the whole scene.

Oh, and refresh my memory, but I don't recall anyone in the Potter movies using magic through a wall either, so I don't know how it's relevant that the force was never used through a wall in the movies?

In closing, I must point out that I don't think this would be an easy win for Anakin. In fact, I think Snape definitely has the chance to win 3, or 4 out of 10 fights, possibly even splitting it evenly. I just think saying that Anakin doesn't stand a chance is just wrong.

I also think saying that Harry Potter Magic>>>>than the force is just plain stupid. If we bring all the canon books, comics, and so forth into a thread about which is more powerful, Potter magic just doesn't hold a candle.

I don't think it has nearly enough epic feats to match a tenth (a hundredth) of what the force has pulled off in the past 40 years that it's been around.

You probably shoulda kept sitting on the wayside on this one.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, you're a cheerleader. A fence sitter.

You always post shit like "i will think on this a while", waiting to see what others say. Then, when the pied piper strolls through town, you follow and chant "THE CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAW."

1. LOL

2. I do the same thing he does half of the time because I have it in my mind that one person will win but I am not sure so I wait and see some of the arguments and then I either stick with my choice or change. Nothing wrong with making a better decision, right? (The only thing I'd like to see my boy, Bruceskywalker, do more of is include more reasons when he does finally post his decision.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
They were all outta those I'm afraid. All they had were large quantities of me not giving a shit.

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A Jedi will tear any wizard up toe to toe. You could surround Annie with 4 death eaters, all 5 feet away, and he'd cut them down in seconds.

BUT.....A wizards power is on a different level than a Jedi. A wizard has many more options, more weapons, more powerful shit to work with. Straight up fighting? Jedi rapes. A power battle? Wizard rapes. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up my arguments on the topic.

If they start within 5-7 feet of each other, even a padawan could win this, easily.

However, at 10 feet or more, I just don't see any good force user beating any good magical users. While the Jedi will not even be close to being taxed on their battle precog with the speeds of the spells and apparation from only ONE being, they have no way of quickly taking out the magical user. The magical user will not stay in the same place as no duel from good magical users has them staying in once place: apparation seems to be par for the course in a fight.

Because of that, this thread needs a distance specified and that decides who wins or dies in this thread.

Also, a magical user being force chocked can easily escape the force choke. All the magical user has to do is focus on the place they want to be and use that "magical" umpf and they apparate there...cause that's how apparation works. Force choke is useless in this fight. (RJ, you suck as proper counters. You don't do the magical users justice, newb! 😠 )

K.

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He doesn't need uber combat speed. Apparition trumps that.

Proof? Well, that's like me asking you to prove Mace Windu can do a force push. Mace ws never shown doing a force push, but it'd be stupid to say he couldn't, right?

What's to keep Snape from apparating to one place, then another, then another? Nothing.

No it doesn't, unless you can show proof that it can be spammed over and over again to dodge something, an application it has NEVER been used for.

And even if he does dodge the first atack Anakin's going to zero in on him almost instantly with the Force (as he showed by being able to track the speeder in AOTC) and then rip his head off.

Yes it would be foolish to say that, but what you're saying is the equilvant of me saying that Mace will be able to spam Force push over and over to counter every little thing with the strength of nuke, even though he's never actually used the attack before. He has NEVER shown the aptitude, the ability or the skill with the power to be able to do that, so he can't. Its the difference between being able to punch and going 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. You're insinuating that Snape can do the latter, even though he hasn't even shown the ability to do the former.

Becuase he has NEVER done so, and NEVER shown the skill with the power to do so. So in short HE CAN'T.

Relevant......how?

That it is obvious that if something is touching they affect apparition. If Snapes being choked, whats your proof that he can apparate 'out' of it, when everything else touching a wizard apparating in teh movies has been taken with them?

I'm questioning your schooling at this point.

I meant about the hightened reflex's, and I called you out on your 'it flailsh all the time Bluagh!' bullshit.

Nah, I just posted vids. Hard core evidence that it takes the same time to use a force spell as it takes to cast a spell.

Hmm? Yeah.

A lightsaber has no chance of blocking sectumsempra. See the vid I posted before.

I did watch the video actually. And what I saw was Snape having enough time after harry cast the spell to turn around and reflect it back at him. Cry moar plz!

And? Force scream doesn't count here. Deal with it. Besides, it had shit range.

Force Sceam? That was a Force Choke. Check what you're posting next time.

Afraid he will, babe. Again, I just posted vids. Hard core evidence that it takes the same time to use a force spell as it takes to cast a spell.

Uh, one is magic and the other is the force.

Force scream doesn't count here. Deal with it. Besides, it had shit range.

Don't call me babe, muffcabbage. You posted one vid of Anakin Force Choking a defenceless woman by slowly raising his hand, one vid proving Sectumsempra is slow as hell and one vid of a force power Anakin can't even use. In short, you posted jack. That actually helped your argument that is.

Faceplam x1 Combo!

Why doesn't it count. Anakin used it. He had no speciial training or anything. What do you think its a power you can only use afetr having all your limbs cut off and then being set on fire, actually weakening your ability to use the Force. And you wonder why I said you don't know much about SW. 🙄

Your knowledge of the HP universe sucks.

Fine. Dumbledore and Harry apparate to the cave, instantly. Fred and George apparate inside the OOTP HQ, instantly.

Cry moar plz!

They appear instantly, they don't apparate instantly. Look at the vid I posted, actual apparition is not instant. Also, prove that they appear instantly in the spot they're going to after apparating, becuase if the scene with Dumbledore apparating Harry is anything to go by, they don't.

They take about the same time. Accept it.

MAN MUST BE NICE TO BE AN OSTRICH. ALL THAT NICE, LOVELY SAND TO HIDE YOUR HEAD INTO IGNORE FACTS. LIKE THAT THAT VID PROVES ITS NOT INSTANTANEOUS. SO GET THE **** OUTTA HERE WITH THAT 'HP WIZARDS ARE FASTER THAT SUPERMAN!' UTTER HORSESHIT.

Right, let's gimp Snape, yeah?

Its a standard rule. If Snape can't beat Vader by any other way than by running away and getting something not in his standard equipment then obviously he isn't the superior combatant. It would be like me saying that Nightcrawler can beat Hancock because he can teleport and get a nuke. So obviously Nightcrawler is better than Hancock. OBVIOUSLY!!1!!

Too bad Sidious aint in this thread. Doooooooooh!!!!!!!

Faceplam x2 Combo!

Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously? God Damn.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Faceplam x2 Combo!

Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously? God Damn.

Profiled.

🙂

Okay, I read the OP before I post, but what I was saying was that we have to make some assumptions beyond what the movies show, simply because of his level of power (reinforced by the fact that he defeated, rather easily, a Jedi Master at the beginning of the 3rd movie). If he can do that, there are a lot of things we don't see him do, but can at least assume that he has some skill in.

If we want to say Anakin can't do it because he didn't in the movies, than fine. You can't say Snape can apparate. He's never done in the movies and, to my knowledge, never did it in the books. Furthermore, Snape, aside from his potion skills, is never considered, or even mentioned as being one of the greatest wizards in the movies (or books). He was never an Auror or anything, and so never in the books, or the movies, proved that he was a skilled wizard combatant. YOU are making a lot of assumptions about Snapes abilities that are never, EVER, proven in the movies, or books, but then refuse to make any assumptions about Anakin's abilities, beyond what you've seen in the movies. That is a very one sided view of things.

I think I like making my opinions heard, thank you. Not sure if I'll always post a response, but I don't think you came close to changing my opinion.

Oh, as for "the blaster hit his gauntlet" line. He absorbed the blaster fire, using the force. It's an actual ability that was later available to force users in the role playing game (sighting that exact moment in the movie as an example). It has since been used by several other force wielders in books and comics, that weren't wearing gauntlets.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
facepalm

right back at ya

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Okay, I read the OP before I post, but what I was saying was that we have to make some assumptions beyond what the movies show, simply because of his level of power (reinforced by the fact that he defeated, rather easily, a Jedi Master at the beginning of the 3rd movie). If he can do that, there are a lot of things we don't see him do, but can at least assume that he has some skill in.

If we want to say Anakin can't do it because he didn't in the movies, than fine. You can't say Snape can apparate. He's never done in the movies and, to my knowledge, never did it in the books.

That's like me saying Mace Windu cannot use force push because he never did it in the movies.

Furthermore, I am convinced that you have never, not ever, picked up a Harry Potter novel. Read on:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Severus_Snape#Magical_abilities_and_skills

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Professors Snape and McGonagall examining a cursed necklace.
Jayce CarverAdded by Jayce Carver

"Snape knew more curses when he arrived at Hogwarts than half the kids in Seventh Year."
—Sirius Black, on Snape's proficiency for the Dark Arts.

Severus Snape was an extremely powerful wizard, and was brilliantly talented as a student. Snape had numerous skills in various aspects of the magical arts.

* Dark Arts Mastery: Severus had a talent and passion for the Dark Arts from a young age, and was especially proficient at curses. He invented the Sectumsempra curse and it became one of his specialties, and he also used a Killing Curse to kill the great wizard Albus Dumbledore.

* Master Potioneer: He specialised in Potion making, teaching the subject at Hogwarts as an adult and able to come up with innovative methods to achieve quicker and better results as a teenage student, as written in his old textbook.

* Spell Creator: As a student at Hogwarts, Severus had a gift for creating new spells. Some of the spells he invented were Sectumsempra, healing spell Vulnera Sanentur, Langlock curse, Muffliato spell, the nonverbal Levicorpus and its counter-curse, Liberacorpus. Sectumsempra, in particular, became one of Severus' specialties.

* Occlumency and Legilimency Expert: Severus was accomplished in Occlumency and Legilimency; he was able to both protect his own thoughts and access the minds of others. In particular, his skill in Occlumency is very noteworthy, as he used it to hide his betrayal from Lord Voldemort, who was regarded as the most skilled Legilimens of all time.

* Patronus Charm: Severus was the only known Death Eater that was able to produce a Patronus, which, like Lily Potter's, was a doe. The most likely reason for this is that Severus was not a loyal Death Eater, and that his love for Lily was stronger even than his practice of the Dark Arts.

Snape blocking Harry's spells as he escapes from the Battle of the Astronomy Tower.
ParodistAdded by Parodist

* Master Duellist: Severus was shown to be a master duellist, as he was able to hold his own against extremely powerful witch Minerva McGonagall, though he fled after the arrival of Pomona Sprout and Filius Flitwick. He assisted in a duelling club in 1992 with Gilderoy Lockhart, defeating and humiliating him with a single spell (though Lockhart was a rather weak wizard). He also easily defeated Harry Potter during his escape from the battle of the Astronomy Tower. Severus was proficient at blocking spells, effortlessly deflecting every single one of Harry's spells during their duel and reacting with incredible speed to defend himself from Minerva McGonagall. He had an unpredictable duelling style since he often used the spells he created to catch his opponents off guard. Severus participated in the battle over Little Whinging, still pretending to be a Death Eater, and attempted to protect Remus Lupin by severing a Death Eater's wand hand using Sectumsempra. His spell missed and severed George Weasley's ear but it should be noted that he was flying at the time and it was more difficult to aim spells whilst maneuvering a broomstick.

* Flight: Severus could fly without the use of a broom or any other visible materialistic support. The only other wizard that was known to be able to do this is Lord Voldemort, who most likely taught Snape the method to do so. However Severus appeared to prefer using a broom.[7]

* Counter Curses: Severus was also skilled at using counter-curses, as he helped save Katie Bell after she touched a cursed opal necklace, and Albus Dumbledore after he touched Marvolo Gaunt's Ring, though he was unable to actually stop the rings curse, merely slow down its effects. When Harry Potter used Sectumsempra on Draco Malfoy, Snape easily healed Draco with a healing charm he invented. He also mouthed a counter-curse in an attempt to save Harry when Quirinus Quirrell tried to throw him off his broom, though it didn't seem to work very well, though it should be noted that Quirrel's power was augmented because he was possessed by Lord Voldemort.

* Logical thinking : Severus devised the sixth obstacle, a logic puzzle, to guard the Philosopher's Stone.

Furthermore, Snape, aside from his potion skills, is never considered, or even mentioned as being one of the greatest wizards in the movies (or books). He was never an Auror or anything, and so never in the books, or the movies, proved that he was a skilled wizard combatant. YOU are making a lot of assumptions about Snapes abilities that are never, EVER, proven in the movies, or books, but then refuse to make any assumptions about Anakin's abilities, beyond what you've seen in the movies. That is a very one sided view of things.

Oh, as for "the blaster hit his gauntlet" line. He absorbed the blaster fire, using the force. It's an actual ability that was later available to force users in the role playing game (sighting that exact moment in the movie as an example). It has since been used by several other force wielders in books and comics, that weren't wearing gauntlets.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have no problem with that. But if he performs a certain feat, he can only do it to the extent that he did it onscreen.

So you are saying that Snape, a Hogwarts professor, member of the Order of the Phoenix, a former death eater, Voldemort's #2, cannot apparate? Get a clue, dude.

That's like me saying Mace Windu cannot use force push because he never did it in the movies.

Furthermore, I am convinced that you have never, not ever, picked up a Harry Potter novel. Read on:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Severus_Snape#Magical_abilities_and_skills

Magical abilities and skillsEdit href= Edit
Professors Snape and McGonagall examining a cursed necklace.
Jayce CarverAdded by Jayce Carver

"Snape knew more curses when he arrived at Hogwarts than half the kids in Seventh Year."
—Sirius Black, on Snape's proficiency for the Dark Arts.

Severus Snape was an extremely powerful wizard, and was brilliantly talented as a student. Snape had numerous skills in various aspects of the magical arts.

* Dark Arts Mastery: Severus had a talent and passion for the Dark Arts from a young age, and was especially proficient at curses. He invented the Sectumsempra curse and it became one of his specialties, and he also used a Killing Curse to kill the great wizard Albus Dumbledore.

* Master Potioneer: He specialised in Potion making, teaching the subject at Hogwarts as an adult and able to come up with innovative methods to achieve quicker and better results as a teenage student, as written in his old textbook.

* Spell Creator: As a student at Hogwarts, Severus had a gift for creating new spells. Some of the spells he invented were Sectumsempra, healing spell Vulnera Sanentur, Langlock curse, Muffliato spell, the nonverbal Levicorpus and its counter-curse, Liberacorpus. Sectumsempra, in particular, became one of Severus' specialties.

* Occlumency and Legilimency Expert: Severus was accomplished in Occlumency and Legilimency; he was able to both protect his own thoughts and access the minds of others. In particular, his skill in Occlumency is very noteworthy, as he used it to hide his betrayal from Lord Voldemort, who was regarded as the most skilled Legilimens of all time.

* Patronus Charm: Severus was the only known Death Eater that was able to produce a Patronus, which, like Lily Potter's, was a doe. The most likely reason for this is that Severus was not a loyal Death Eater, and that his love for Lily was stronger even than his practice of the Dark Arts.

Snape blocking Harry's spells as he escapes from the Battle of the Astronomy Tower.
ParodistAdded by Parodist

* Master Duellist: Severus was shown to be a master duellist, as he was able to hold his own against extremely powerful witch Minerva McGonagall, though he fled after the arrival of Pomona Sprout and Filius Flitwick. He assisted in a duelling club in 1992 with Gilderoy Lockhart, defeating and humiliating him with a single spell (though Lockhart was a rather weak wizard). He also easily defeated Harry Potter during his escape from the battle of the Astronomy Tower. Severus was proficient at blocking spells, effortlessly deflecting every single one of Harry's spells during their duel and reacting with incredible speed to defend himself from Minerva McGonagall. He had an unpredictable duelling style since he often used the spells he created to catch his opponents off guard. Severus participated in the battle over Little Whinging, still pretending to be a Death Eater, and attempted to protect Remus Lupin by severing a Death Eater's wand hand using Sectumsempra. His spell missed and severed George Weasley's ear but it should be noted that he was flying at the time and it was more difficult to aim spells whilst maneuvering a broomstick.

* Flight: Severus could fly without the use of a broom or any other visible materialistic support. The only other wizard that was known to be able to do this is Lord Voldemort, who most likely taught Snape the method to do so. However Severus appeared to prefer using a broom.[7]

* Counter Curses: Severus was also skilled at using counter-curses, as he helped save Katie Bell after she touched a cursed opal necklace, and Albus Dumbledore after he touched Marvolo Gaunt's Ring, though he was unable to actually stop the rings curse, merely slow down its effects. When Harry Potter used Sectumsempra on Draco Malfoy, Snape easily healed Draco with a healing charm he invented. He also mouthed a counter-curse in an attempt to save Harry when Quirinus Quirrell tried to throw him off his broom, though it didn't seem to work very well, though it should be noted that Quirrel's power was augmented because he was possessed by Lord Voldemort.

* Logical thinking : Severus devised the sixth obstacle, a logic puzzle, to guard the Philosopher's Stone.

Read what I just said. Read a Harry Potter novel.

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Yup, okay, I have read the novels and I can read everything they say on a site and in the books about him, but he never actually does them in the movies. By this example, we can say that Anakin is the Chosen of the force. Sidious claimed he would become more powerful than both Yoda and himself. By the 3rd movie he had fought in the clones wars, performing all the feats you see in the silly T.V. shows and in the clone wars shorts from a few years back. He was considered one of the greatest heroes of the Clone Wars and one of the most gifted force wielders. He has just as long a record of supposed accomplishments as Snape does, but they weren't translated into the 3rd movie very well.

For all these things stated about Snape, in the books and in the movies, the only thing he shows himself capable of actually doing, is beating up a teenager. That's about as impressive as Anakin killing all the padawans. State what you want about him, but you still are only looking at one side of the coin.

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Yup, okay, I have read the novels and I can read everything they say on a site and in the books about him, but he never actually does them in the movies.

So you are saying that Snape, a Hogwarts professor, member of the Order of the Phoenix, a former death eater, Voldemort's #2, cannot apparate?

By this example, we can say that Anakin is the Chosen of the force. Sidious claimed he would become more powerful than both Yoda and himself. By the 3rd movie he had fought in the clones wars, performing all the feats you see in the silly T.V. shows and in the clone wars shorts from a few years back. He was considered one of the greatest heroes of the Clone Wars and one of the most gifted force wielders. He has just as long a record of supposed accomplishments as Snape does, but they weren't translated into the 3rd movie very well.

For all these things stated about Snape, in the books and in the movies, the only thing he shows himself capable of actually doing, is beating up a teenager. That's about as impressive as Anakin killing all the padawans. State what you want about him, but you still are only looking at one side of the coin.

OK, you wanna be a feat nazi? Fine. Here's some things about Anakin:

1. He can perform force choke from no farther than 1 foot away, and only on defenseless women.

2. He never used force speed.

3. He never blocked a magical spell.

4. He never got past a protego shield charm.

5. His force powers do not extend more than 10-20 feet.

Now, you still wanna Snape cannot apparate? We can go that route, but bear in mind that makes it even more of a curbstomp in favor of Snape.

I have no problem with that. But if he performs a certain feat, he can only do it to the extent that he did it onscreen.

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Also, he blocked the blaster bolt with the Force. Its a legitimate Force technique which has been re-used multiple times in multiple aspects of the media and the SWverse. In fact, people have actually talked about Vader using it and I'm pretty sure there are pictures of him using it. Though its possible he may have absorbed the blaster bolt instead.

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Deflection

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Originally posted by Nephthys
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Also, he blocked the blaster bolt with the Force. Its a legitimate Force technique which has been re-used multiple times in multiple aspects of the media and the SWverse. In fact, people have actually talked about Vader using it and I'm pretty sure there are pictures of him using it.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080414032449/starwars/images/thumb/b/b1/Nomi_FNU.JPG/250px-Nomi_FNU.JPG

How about it? Is it ridiculous to say that Snape, an OOTP member, a former death eater and Voldemort/Dumbledore's #2, cannot apparate?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Answer the question:

So you are saying that Snape, a Hogwarts professor, member of the Order of the Phoenix, a former death eater, Voldemort's #2, cannot apparate?

Yet he was pwned by Kenobi. Go figure. And weak willed enough that he was Sidious's puppet.

OK, you wanna be a feat nazi? Fine. Here's some things about Anakin:

1. He can perform force choke from no farther than 1 foot away, and only on defenseless women.

2. He never used force speed.

3. He never blocked a magical spell.

4. He never got past a protego shield charm.

5. His force powers do not extend more than 10-20 feet.

Now, you still wanna Snape cannot apparate? We can go that route, but bear in mind that makes it even more of a curbstomp in favor of Snape.

Snape was killed in the end without even a fight! Talking about pwnage! And I wouldn't call it pwnage when they fought each other to a stand still for far longer than any fight that takes place in the Potter'verse. Who cares that he was manipulated by Sidious, everyone was. That doesn't make him any less powerful. He was being manipulated by him from the start, when he was a child, you can't blame him for being his puppet. In the end though, he kills the Emporer. In the end of the books, Snape never accomplishes anything like that.

Lets talk feats:

1. Snape never performs any of the forbidden spells in the movies/books...ever.

2. Like Snape, it doesn't mean that he can't.

3. Snape has never blocked a force push, or pull. He's never stopped large objects from falling on him, or being thrown at him. He's also never blocked a lightsaber. Your point?

4. And he never will, he's not from the same universe. Again, Snape never cast any of the forbidden spell in the movies, or the books...Your point?

5. In the clone wars shows and shorts, he definitely uses his abilities beyond 10-20 feet on countless occassions. This takes place between the 2nd and 3rd movie. I still didn't read, or see Snape perform the killing spell in the movies/books, even if he knew it (sorry, I'm not going to take the time to look up all the names used for the spells in the Potter series and I don't have them memorized).

If we go strickly by the movies, Anakin has a far more kills and combat achievements under his belt than Snape. I think if we go that route, Snape gets curbstomped by a Jawa.

So let's go the nazi route......

Battle begins. Snape uses legilimens and fries Vader's brain. UNLESS Vader gets him in a force choke, making it impossible for Snape to utter the spell. Wait.....FF to :20!!!!

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Padme speaks whilst in force choke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!

So, battle begins, Vader force chokes Snape, Snaoe death spells his ass..

Bada bing.

Bada BOOM.

So let's go the nazi route......

Battle begins. Snape uses legilimens and fries Vader's brain. UNLESS Vader gets him in a force choke, making it impossible for Snape to utter the spell. Wait.....FF to :20!!!!

When has Snape shown that he's able to 'fry' someone brain. All he did in the movie was look into Poters thoughts. He didn't do jack to his actual mental health.

Padme speaks whilst in force choke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!

So, battle begins, Vader force chokes Snape, Snaoe death spells his ass..

Bada bing.

Bada BOOM.

Dear god. I'm seriously amazed that they actually let you near electronic devices. He wasn't trying to kill her doofus. He was choking her into unconsciousness. Meanwhile he has more than shown the ability to crush a human throat. Watch this again:

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Then go slap yourself.

And reply to my above post.

Couldn't Anakin just crush Snape like he was doing to all those machines and canisters at the end of the movie when Sidious told him Padme was dead.

It is ROTS Anakin and since he ahd lost his limbs a weaker version.

Also couldn't Anakin simply use the force to knock Snape's wand out of his hand.

Plus I bet a lightsaber could block the standard projectile spells of Wizards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When has Snape shown that he's able to 'fry' someone brain. All he did in the movie was look into Poters thoughts. He didn't do jack to his actual mental health.

"Fry his brain" was a figure of speech. As Vader is rendered useless, Snape administers avada kedavra. Vader literally has no chance here.

Dear god. I'm seriously amazed that they actually let you need electronic devices. He wasn't trying to kill her doofus. He was choking her into unconsciousness. Meanwhile he has more than shown the ability to crush a human throat. Watch this again:

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Then go slap yourself.

And reply to my above post.

Read the OP, Vader here is as he was BEFORE the suit.

So......As I said before......Vader force chokes Snape, Snape death spells him.

Nice try though.

Originally posted by Newjak
Couldn't Anakin just crush Snape like he was doing to all those machines and canisters at the end of the movie when Sidious told him Padme was dead.

It is ROTS Anakin and since he ahd lost his limbs a weaker version.

Also couldn't Anakin simply use the force to knock Snape's wand out of his hand.

Plus I bet a lightsaber could block the standard projectile spells of Wizards.

Yes to all counts.