Who are marvel dc's fastest runners?

Originally posted by carver9
How are you doing km, rarely see you around?

As for your comment, she used her cheetah ability during that race and it was never stated that she stole his speed... she asked jay to race and she was in the lead when they got back.

Been busy

and yes it was revealed later she no longer could copy the powers of animals just metahumans as Desaad just explained. She even directly stated she stole Jay's speed when she told Superman she stole his powers too.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm pretty sure she gained those abilities back... especially during that arc.

At the end, but when she raced Jay she could only steal metahuman powers and she even stated that.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Been busy

and yes it was revealed later she no longer could copy the powers of animals just metahumans as Desaad just explained. She even directly stated she stole Jay's speed when she told Superman she stole his powers too.

At the end, but when she raced Jay she could only steal metahuman powers and she even stated that.

I believe you... I don't think you would lie about that. Since you read the arc I'm pretty sure you remember jay saying that superman, wonder woman, kyle was faster than him?

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Anybody mention DC Hermes?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
zoom isnt fast

Originally posted by carver9
I believe you... I don't think you would lie about that. Since you read the arc I'm pretty sure you remember jay saying that superman, wonder woman, kyle was faster than him?

Yes, and I have already mentioned in this thread Jay isn't as fast as Superman.

In Flash Rebirth #3- supes keeps up just fine until Barry goes all out. And only because he starts entering the speed force. Flashes very first comment in the next panel is ," A band of muscle in my thigh tightens up", just to illustrate his extra effort.

In The Flash #209- All we see is superman keeping up just fine even though Wally is trying to shake him off as he locates Linda.

Point #1- Wally says , "In raw speed superman and I used to be evenly matched. Id say he might have been a tad faster. " (Before he learnt to better tap into speed force)

Point #2- Wally contimplates steeling his kinetic energy but doesnt want to risk the collateral damage. (proof he wants him off his back)

Point #3- Flash says he figures he'll loose supes through the Rockies. Then he says ,"I figure wrong", as he cant.

Point#4- Superman tries to slow him down with small beam of H.V. wich Flash outspeeds saying ,"I'm faster than heat vision."(but obviously not fast enough to blow supes away, in fact supes immediatly catches him but Wally vibrates out of grip.)

Point#5- Only with the apartment building in sight and superman about to grab him again does Flash say,"the thoughts of linda give me my second wind,no one can touch me with her help" and gets inside an insatant before supes.

Just to show the effort needed to be faster [/B][/QUOTE]

And now Time Masters #5 - Professor Zoom (reverse flash)speed blitzes Hal, Booster and Rip Hunter but is unable to do it to supes, in fact gets cloths lined.

Then says,"well done superman, your speed rivals my own"

Just wait, Hot Pursuit will be the fastest.

Mas Y Menos FTW

wheres that scan where we proved that flash was going thousands(?) of times faster than light based on the math?

Viewable scans:

"Well done, Superman. You speed rivals my own."

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
wheres that scan where we proved that flash was going thousands(?) of times faster than light based on the math?

However, the writer's intent was for Wally to be moving < c. Thus any > c speeds deduced via crunching the numbers is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
wheres that scan where we proved that flash was going thousands(?) of times faster than light based on the math?

He did do the feat and the problem is, if he was going only "slightly" under light he wouldn't have saved anybody. I figured we went by feats first. I remember when I first joined I always said Flash was light speed more or less, and people said he went faster than that, because of feats. In this case since he through it down I think it would. *Especially* since he didn't have the sense to think about what he wrote.

I think he did it in that scan, but that goes into very high end feat territory. Although he does have one where he is in multiple places at once. People either choose to take or leave that one.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The trillions of light speed thing I calculated back in September?

He did do the feat and the problem is, if he was going only "slightly" under light he wouldn't have saved anybody. I figured we went by feats first. I remember when I first joined I always said Flash was light speed more or less, and people said he went faster than that, because of feats. In this case since he through it down I think it would. *Especially* since he didn't have the sense to think about what he wrote.

I think he did it in that scan, but that goes into very high end feat territory. Although he does have one where he is in multiple places at once. People either choose to take or leave that one.

Comic book writers don't get paid to be mathematicians.

Originally posted by Galan007
The problem is that the writer explicitly stated (multiple times) that Flash was moving sub-light when he preformed that feat. So regardless of the speed you get by crunching numbers, the writer's intended speed was flat-out stated.

Comic book writers don't get paid to be mathematicians.

If Superman pushed the moon, and a scan said "He pushed all 100 lbs of it" people would dismiss the 100 lbs and realize that it is way off.

But since this one was only egregious after some more complex math, people are dismissing it the only way around. The only way he could rescue those people would be to move that fast (especially considering the nuke already hit).

Either that or 2.5 quintillion miles per second is sub light in DC.

*shrugs*

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You're of course welcome to disagree (I respect your opinion regardless), but when a feat is that much off it would be impossible to do said feat.

If Superman pushed the moon, and a scan said "He pushed all 100 lbs of it" people would dismiss the 100 lbs and realize that it is way off.

But since this one was only egregious after some more complex math, people are dismissing it the only way around. The only way he could rescue those people would be to move that fast (especially considering the nuke already hit).

Either that or 2.5 quintillion miles per second is sub light in DC.

*shrugs*

Regardless, that feat is almost never used to prove that Flash can travel multiples of c for the very same reasons we are debating now... It's just too sketchy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Believe me, I understand what you're saying (I used to argue the very same thing) -- but like I said before, comic book writers aren't mathematicians. We know that Flash was intended to be moving sub-light speed, because it was stated so two different times during that scene. Even though it doesn't make sense when you crunch the numbers, the fact still remains that an intended speed was given by the writer himself -- and that's what we should go by, imo.

Regardless, that feat is almost never used to prove that Flash can travel multiples of c for the very same reasons we are debating now... It's just too sketchy.

Especially since we have writers contradict their work often, if we go by what they say over what happened it would be one big mess.

I've had this argument in Street Fighter debates for that reason. So many variations of characters and Word of God changes often.

It seems more fair to say what happens on panel comes first. Then word of God and secondary material. Then any material after that. My opinion of course.

I feel he intended to write a story and make Flash look cool, and then he tacked "right under the speed of light" on there. I think the story of him saving the city matters more than the statement about his speed. That's just me of course.

But I do agree with you on one part. Those feats can be seen in many ways. I would never use it for the most part unless this was a "Flash at max no CIS full potential no BS match". It's a bit messy, although in my opinion he has crazier feats.

Where is Makkari?

The Runner is 1 then Makkari!

^ Generally speaking, writers don't rely on their readers to do above average math to figure out key plot points of a story they create. That said, if something is explicitly stated by the narrator (especially more than once), then imo it should be considered the most factual evidence, bar none.

Now if the writer would have made a blanket comment that Flash was moving 'faster than light', then doing the math to figure out how much faster than light he was traveling would be very logical.... But that wasn't the case.

It's just too iffy, as is.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's just too iffy, as is.

Agreed.

Besides, we all know Wally has better feats anyway.