Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiLOL facts that make Tyrant seem more powerful than Odin? Nah nothing you typed suggests Tyrant is more powerful than Odin nothing
I have a history of lying eh? haha that is rich coming from you LordofBlunder. I guess you don't really lie, just too stupid to understand points and make logically coherent posts. Now, when I said it took two shots to kill Dp Tyrant.. which part of this wasn't true? That was exactly how it went down. The joking between me and Galan, was just that, joking between me and him.Now onto your blunderous posts.. that once again I need to tool…
These are the relevant points on the matter of Thanos vs Odin and Thanos vs Tyrant
1. Thanos wasn't going there to kill or ko Odin.. he needed and wanted his help. Again Tyrant, he was going there to fight him and had studied him prior. See where I'm going blunder? Thanos prepped for Thanos.. against Odin he didn't even want to fight him, didn't prep and needed his help.
2. Odin did well in the fight but at no point had Thanos concerned for his life or wanting to quit. Not at any point was there any narration or indication of this. In fact, when Odin raised the stakes and brought out his spear… Thanos walked right through to prove a point. He can take whatever Odin can dish out and woudn't go down nor yield. Point was proven. Against a Tyrant (someone he prepped for).. when Tyrant raised the stakes.. Thanos admitted on panel that Tyrant would kill him if he stuck around. Some say, this was even an AMPED Thanos.. not just prepped but also amped by the orb. Huge Huge Huge difference in the power Thanos felt from both. One didn't have him even thinking about retreating or giving up.. The other made him leave for fear of his life.
3. Since you think Odin has better feats… and combat feats no less.. Please show me one 10 comic book run where Odin beat a comparable group to what Tyrant did… Tyrant in that run beat… Surfer, Brb, Glads, Morg, Terrax, J.o.h., gayn… with ease.. They were no threat what so ever to him. Then he proceeds to get the better of Thanos. Then he proceeds to get the better of Galactus. Not a starving weak Galactus.. no no.. In fact, it was a well-fed prepped Galactus who got punked. Galactus backed down for the first encounter and let Tyrant take his herald for fear of Galaxies being destroyed. Now compare that to how Galactus as acted around Odin.. he acts condescending to him. In fact, when Doom had Galactus power.. Odin was easily and promptly one shot.
These are the key factors that make Tyrant seem more powerful than Odin. Now I'm not saying it's by a lot or a huge difference. What I am saying though, is that judging by their common foe.. Thanos.. Tyrant made Thanos leave for fear of his life.. Odin (in a much longer fight) never had Thanos concerned or fear for his life.
You know, I had a long drawn out, serious, response to Thanosi as pertains the power levels and the relevent fights that the characters in this thread have had...
But why bother? This guy has zero capacity to hold a rational debate as pertains Thanos and, to a lesser extent, Tyrant...
Maybe I'll have a serious conversation with someone else as pertains these characters...
@Stoic
Why should Thanos fear for his life against Odin? Odin is not a cold blooded killer; he kills only if he absolutely has to or has an excellent reason to...and undoubtably Thanos knows this.
And Odin COULD have killed Thanos; he had him on his knees defenseless...
He could have driven Gungnir straight through the back on Thanos's neck, but he didnt...why!? Because he did NOT want to kill him. If Odin wanted Thanos dead, Thanos dies right then and there and there wasnt a dam thing Thanos could have done to prevent it...
So what does Odin do while standing close to Thanos while Thanos was defenseless and on his knees!? He gives him the opportunity to yeild...
Dude, he asked him if he would yeild! That is NOT something you do to someone you are trying to kill...
So the argument that Odin was trying to kill Thanos fails horribly...
Now against DP Tyrant, Thanos was facing someone who is (in no uncertain terms) pure evil and would kill without a second thought...
Thanos was right to fear for his life against Tyrant because Tyrant WOULD have killed Thanos if he got Thanos into the same position that Odin did...
There would have been no chance to yeild; Tyrant would have taken full advantage of the oppotunity Odin had (lets assume for a moment that Thanos doesnt flee Tyrant; he stays and fights and ends up defenseless on his knees like he did against Odin) and would have slayed him horribly...
Show me the error in my logic Stoic...or are you willing to admit that I have an excellent point?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@StoicWhy should Thanos fear for his life against Odin? Odin is not a cold blooded killer; he kills only if he absolutely has to or has an excellent reason to...and undoubtably Thanos knows this.
And Odin COULD have killed Thanos; he had him on his knees defenseless...
He could have driven Gungnir straight through the back on Thanos's neck, but he didnt...why!? Because he did NOT want to kill him. If Odin wanted Thanos dead, Thanos dies right then and there and there wasnt a dam thing Thanos could have done to prevent it...
So what does Odin do while standing close to Thanos while Thanos was defenseless and on his knees!? He gives him the opportunity to yeild...
Dude, he asked him if he would yeild! That is NOT something you do to someone you are trying to kill...
So the argument that Odin was trying to kill Thanos fails horribly...
Now against DP Tyrant, Thanos was facing someone who is (in no uncertain terms) pure evil and would kill without a second thought...
Thanos was right to fear for his life against Tyrant because Tyrant WOULD have killed Thanos if he got Thanos into the same position that Odin did...
There would have been no chance to yeild; Tyrant would have taken full advantage of the oppotunity Odin had (lets assume for a moment that Thanos doesnt flee Tyrant; he stays and fights and ends up defenseless on his knees like he did against Odin) and would have slayed him horribly...
Show me the error in my logic Stoic...or are you willing to admit that I have an excellent point?
I fail to see ANY point you made. You didn't respond to my post because you COULDN'T respond to my post.
These are the facts that are undisputable...
Thanos prepped for Tyrant and also some say had an amp to fight him as well.
Thanos didn't prep for Odin nor have an amp when he fought Odin. In fact, he wasn't going there to fight Odin at all. He was going there seeking his help. You don't Ko or Kill someone you are seeking help from for a bigger threat.
So a prepped and amped Thanos in FEWER PANELS left for fear of his life. Against Odin and not prepped or amped in many more panels... Had NO FEAR for his life nor thoughts of yielding. Those are the facts that are undisputable. Your wild imagination and speculation have no place here. You feeling like Odin could've killed Thanos is just that speculation.
Lastly, please show me a sequence of comics where Odin takes on the people that Tyrant did and comes out on top. You keep avoiding this question because you have no answer for it. Odin never made a run through people of that calibur and that easily in such a short amount of time. That poops all over anything Odin has done vs. wise...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@StoicWhy should Thanos fear for his life against Odin? Odin is not a cold blooded killer; he kills only if he absolutely has to or has an excellent reason to...and undoubtably Thanos knows this.
And Odin COULD have killed Thanos; he had him on his knees defenseless...
He could have driven Gungnir straight through the back on Thanos's neck, but he didnt...why!? Because he did NOT want to kill him. If Odin wanted Thanos dead, Thanos dies right then and there and there wasnt a dam thing Thanos could have done to prevent it...
So what does Odin do while standing close to Thanos while Thanos was defenseless and on his knees!? He gives him the opportunity to yeild...
Dude, he asked him if he would yeild! That is NOT something you do to someone you are trying to kill...
So the argument that Odin was trying to kill Thanos fails horribly...
Now against DP Tyrant, Thanos was facing someone who is (in no uncertain terms) pure evil and would kill without a second thought...
Thanos was right to fear for his life against Tyrant because Tyrant WOULD have killed Thanos if he got Thanos into the same position that Odin did...
There would have been no chance to yeild; Tyrant would have taken full advantage of the oppotunity Odin had (lets assume for a moment that Thanos doesnt flee Tyrant; he stays and fights and ends up defenseless on his knees like he did against Odin) and would have slayed him horribly...
Show me the error in my logic Stoic...or are you willing to admit that I have an excellent point?
Makes perfect sense. 👆
Originally posted by Deadline
Well for starters the fact that Odin asked Thanos to yield indicating that he was holding back. Thanos would fight Tyrant and Odin differently.Thanos aint beating Odin. 😬
Please point out what was wrong with my post above? Looking at their common foe.... Thanos clearly believed Tyrant to be the bigger threat and felt he was more powerful.. wouldn't you agree with that. This debate is about Tyrant vs. Odin.. not Thanos vs Odin.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@StoicWhy should Thanos fear for his life against Odin? Odin is not a cold blooded killer; he kills only if he absolutely has to or has an excellent reason to...and undoubtably Thanos knows this.
And Odin COULD have killed Thanos; he had him on his knees defenseless...
He could have driven Gungnir straight through the back on Thanos's neck, but he didnt...why!? Because he did NOT want to kill him. If Odin wanted Thanos dead, Thanos dies right then and there and there wasnt a dam thing Thanos could have done to prevent it...
So what does Odin do while standing close to Thanos while Thanos was defenseless and on his knees!? He gives him the opportunity to yeild...
Dude, he asked him if he would yeild! That is NOT something you do to someone you are trying to kill...
So the argument that Odin was trying to kill Thanos fails horribly...
Now against DP Tyrant, Thanos was facing someone who is (in no uncertain terms) pure evil and would kill without a second thought...
Thanos was right to fear for his life against Tyrant because Tyrant WOULD have killed Thanos if he got Thanos into the same position that Odin did...
There would have been no chance to yeild; Tyrant would have taken full advantage of the oppotunity Odin had (lets assume for a moment that Thanos doesnt flee Tyrant; he stays and fights and ends up defenseless on his knees like he did against Odin) and would have slayed him horribly...
Show me the error in my logic Stoic...or are you willing to admit that I have an excellent point?
Does anything about what you wrote, somehow take away from the fact that through all of the posturing on Odins part, that he was still attempting to kill Thanos? Odin was merely trying to play the old psyche him out game on Thanos when he asked him to yield. Could he have killed Thanos as you suggested? Absolutely, but Tyrant could have just as easily done the same, and with only his bare hands, no Gungnir amp.
It was clear as day from what I read in the comic. Odin was in fact trying to kill Thanos, and he wasn't kidding around with him. The kids gloves were off, and Odin was out for blood! Look, Thanos is a tough SOB, and to prove it, he took a blast from a being more powerful than Odin and survived. Do you remember the Beyonder's blast that KO'd Thanos (singular)? Odin's blasts (plural) didn't KO Thanos.
Thanos was simply fearful of Tyrant, to the point that he took months to plan a campaign against him. Not so much when it came to Odin though. Did Thanos misjudge Odins power? Was he unaware of who Odin was? Not likely. Thanos is a prep master, and he would have never embarked on a campaign, without prep if he knew that he was going to lose, or be far underpowered, or outmatched by a landslide.
This is the same guy, that had more foresight than Galactus, and stopped the Hunger from growing out of control. When you think of Thanos, think of foresight/forethought.
As for Mangog, he's a dummy, a thug, a cretin, a side kick.... he's the weak link here, because he's the slowest on the trigger. Power isn't everything, and when facing guys like Thanos and Tyrant, you have to be able to see a couple of steps into the future.
Originally posted by Deadline
^ sorry Bruv allowing your opponent to get off the ground while asking them to yield is not a good indication of trying to kill somebody. C'mon don't take the piss. 😬
Could Tyrant have killed Thanos the moment he saw him? Yes he could have.
Was Thanos not being amped in his fight with Tyrant? Yes he was.
Was Odin using a weapon against Thanos? Yes he was.
Did Thanos bring a cosmic dart gun with him in case Odin got out of hand? No he didn't.
Was Thanos afraid of Odin? No he wasn't.
Was Thanos afraid of Tyrant? Yes he was.
Did Tyrant absorb the first blast from a fully charged Galactus? No he didn't.
Did Tyrant absorb the second blast from a fully charged Galactus? Yes he did.
Did Tyrant tank Galactus' first blast as he was hurled through the hull of Galactus' world ship? Yes he did.
Was a fully charged Galactus trying to kill Tyrant with his first blast? Yes he was.
Is it possible that Tyrant is above Trans tier, and could he in fact be as powerful as a Sky Father? I believe so.
Originally posted by iceman24567
No indication that Galactus blast was meant to kill and tanking a random blast from Galactus isn't as impressive as you make it out to be Thor did it recently. Either way you look at it Odins average is plenty better than Tyrants. Tyrant is definitely skyfather level though
The book said that Galactus was out to kill Tyrant, he even prepared for the battle by absorbing a planet. So yea he was trying to kill Tyrant as quickly as possible (it even states it on panel). His first blast was tanked by Tyrant, which is why he was pushed through the hull of Galactus' ship. Whereas his second blast didn't push him an inch. Why? Because his second blast was absorbed. Even in Chaos Wars, Galactus was suprised that a mere Skyfather was able to survive his assault (singular). Tyrant like I just proved, was unprepared by Galactus' first blast, which was meant to kill, and shrugged it off within seconds.
I'm telling you that Tyrant is/was on the level or beyond that of a Skyfather.
@Stoic
1) Thanos didnt prep for Odin because he had no chance to; this occured during Blood and Thunder remember? Thor was in the force block and was going to eventually get out...so they had to go to Odin immediately.
2) What are you talking about when you say Odin was playing a "psyche game" with Thanos? Just so I am clear, you say Odin was trying to kill him, but asked him if he would yeild just to f**k with him? So what would Odin had done if Thanos yeilded!? Screamed "HA HA!! STUPID NOOB" and run the spear through him??
Dont be ridiculous dude...Odin could have killed him but didnt...he aked him to yeild...ergo, he wasnt trying to kill him.
Did Odin decide to kick his ass? Yes...definitely, but he wasnt trying to kill him.
3) Thanos survived an attack from "The Maker" personality...not the Beyonder personality...big difference; the Beyonder would not have made himself vulnerable as did The Maker nor would the Beyonder have held back in their second encounter as did The Maker.
And dont doubt for one second that The Maker wasnt bringing its full power into the fight; The Maker is a Cube Being...3 Tiers above Thanos...it kills Thanos like an insect if it wasnt mentally unbalanced and not effectively weilding its power.
Even though I said I wouldnt do this, its almost impossible sometimes as he is so ridiculous with what he says but...
@Thanosi
So what if Odin never fought several heralds at once as did Tyrant; do you really doubt Odin one shots everyone in that room that Tyrant fought!? Dont be ridiculous...
Besides, the way I see it, Odin 1 shot the Silver Surfer...it took Tyrant 2 shots to put Surfer down for the fight...that tells me all I need to know.
First....
1. You're correct in that he didn't plan or prep to fight odin. At least that part you got right
2. Your second part is wild speculation on your part. There is ZERO indication that Odin could've killed Thanos.. ZERO.. Plus point to ANY narration that says Odin could've killed Thanos. You know as well as I do that this doesn't exist. Stop your rabbid stupid speculation.
These are the facts... An AMPED and PREPPED Thanos IN MUCH LESS TIME felt Tyrant power and fled. He even admitted that Tyrant would kill him if he stuck around. This is an amped and prepped Thanos mind you. Now a NON prepped Thanos WITHOUT any amps had NO fear of staying to fight Odin. He wasn't affraid of Odin and had felt his power. That speaks volumes about who Thanos thought was stronger.
The fact is LordofBlunder you can't point to ANY 10 comic run where Odin beat the likes of Surfer, BRB, Glads, Morg, Terrax, J.O.H. with ease.. Do I believe Odin could.. sure.. However, then Tyrant when on to beat an prepped and amped Thanos and made him flee for fear of his life. Then goes on to beat well fed and prepped Galactus with ease. There is ZERO indication that Odin would be able to do anything like that. In fact, when Doom had Galactus power... He ONE SHOT Odin with ease. So please point to ANY sequences of fights with Odin where he did ANYTHING close to that. You can't and won't.. Tyrant is Odin's superior plain and simple.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Stoic1) Thanos didn't prep for Odin because he had no chance to; this occurred during Blood and Thunder remember? Thor was in the force block and was going to eventually get out...so they had to go to Odin immediately.
Yet Thanos had a handy dandy ACME Force Block rifle in his back closet, in case Thor got out of hand right? Not buying it all... some but not all.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
2) What are you talking about when you say Odin was playing a "psyche game" with Thanos? Just so I am clear, you say Odin was trying to kill him, but asked him if he would yield just to f**k with him? So what would Odin had done if Thanos yielded!? Screamed "HA HA!! STUPID NOOB" and run the spear through him??Don't be ridiculous dude...Odin could have killed him but didn't...he asked him to yield...ergo, he wasn't trying to kill him.
Did Odin decide to kick his ass? Yes...definitely, but he wasn't trying to kill him.
Let me ask you a question. Has anyone ever told you something, yet meant something else completely? Had Odin wanted to talk he would have opted to do so from the door. Odin is a gimp (no offense to the Odin boys out there 😛 ). What happened, is that Odin came out swinging; thinking that he was going to one or two shot Thanos, and when this didn't happen he tried to save face, by bytching up, and offering Thanos an easy way out. Thanos refused to yield, and the one thing bigger than the Odin Force was obliterated that very instant... Odin's overgrown ego!
In a fit to regain face (because he was being watched by all of Asgard), he once again throws a fit, and attempts to kill the Titan, which as you saw failed. Show me a scan that even slightly resembles Odin taking it easy on Thanos, and I'll show you a picture of determination, on Odin's face. No sale. Could Odin have killed Thanos? Yes but it would have taken a while.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
3) Thanos survived an attack from "The Maker" personality...not the Beyonder personality...big difference; the Beyonder would not have made himself vulnerable as did The Maker nor would the Beyonder have held back in their second encounter as did The Maker.And dont doubt for one second that The Maker wasn't bringing its full power into the fight; The Maker is a Cube Being...3 Tiers above Thanos...it kills Thanos like an insect if it wasn't mentally unbalanced and not effectively wielding its power.
Yet one blast from the Maker (Beyonder) was able to do what Odin failed to do repeatedly. The Beyonder was also stated to have been vulnerable, because of her/its choice to become mortal, so we can bump her/it down a full tier and one half. Like I said above, Odin wasn't playing around with Thanos, he was going for broke... you could see it written all over his face. Now if Odin was smiling, and prancing about like the Hulk did to Colossus, I would agree that he wasn't trying, but you know full well, that that was simply not the case.
So let me ask you a question, do you think that Thanos would fight Odin, or do you think that he would fight Mangog in this thread? If Tyrant took on Mangog, it would be over fairly quickly. Then, it would be Thanos, and Tyrant vs Odin. Odin would be dusted, and it would be a wrap.