Originally posted by quanchi112Yea but these plot devices had the property of "only being good enough to hurt the creature" type elements. We don't know how they would do otherwise.
Plot devices that he has as his own weapons. It's like saying Thor won due to his plot device hammer.
To clarify, Orochi from KOF was only vulnerable to Kyo's and Iori's flame. It's hard to quantify the actual power. But I am sure it is strong.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterKraopts was beating the piss out of them with his bare hands and had access to Zeus' sword the entire time.
Yea but these plot devices had the property of "only being good enough to hurt the creature" type elements. We don't know how they would do otherwise.To clarify, Orochi from KOF was only vulnerable to Kyo's and Iori's flame. It's hard to quantify the actual power. But I am sure it is strong.
When Kratos finally killed Zeus he tossed his weapons aside and beat the life from him.
You conveniently keep forgetting this.
Originally posted by Omega VisionDefeating the titans with his sword and easily slaughtering an entire army of spartans like it were child's play.
Does GOW Zeus have any feats that would make beating him impressive?
He also blasted Gaea off his mount and almost killed her with one attack.
Originally posted by quanchi112He still needed the sword to win. Which is my point. It isn't a big deal in itself, but he had plot devices (not to mention what he had to do to even fight Zeus).
Kraopts was beating the piss out of them with his bare hands and had access to Zeus' sword the entire time.When Kratos finally killed Zeus he tossed his weapons aside and beat the life from him.
You conveniently keep forgetting this. Defeating the titans with his sword and easily slaughtering an entire army of spartans like it were child's play.
He also blasted Gaea off his mount and almost killed her with one attack.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterHe didn't need the sword to win which he still has access to anyways so you really don't have a leg to stand on.
He still needed the sword to win. Which is my point. It isn't a big deal in itself, but he had plot devices (not to mention what he had to do to even fight Zeus).
He needed his fists to win which is what ultimately killed him not the sword.
Kratos was powerful enough to kill the gods themselves and showed this the entire time. He was stalking them and they were scared s-it---- of him.
Originally posted by CosmicCometHmmm... I was sure he needed the blade. However if I am wrong I'll gladly retract my statement. Is there verification? The blade from what I understand played a part in ending him (although I do know the sequence you are talking about when he tosses it to the side).
No. He did NOT need the sword to win. It was established that the Blade of Olympus could not kill Zeus at all.Kratos used the power up that he had dormant in him since opening pandora's box from the first game.
Although the power from pandora is still a plot device in itself. Which is my whole point about him needing them to win in the first place.
Originally posted by quanchi112These are just coolness arguments.
He didn't need the sword to win which he still has access to anyways so you really don't have a leg to stand on.He needed his fists to win which is what ultimately killed him not the sword.
Kratos was powerful enough to kill the gods themselves and showed this the entire time. He was stalking them and they were scared s-it---- of him.
Kratos had tons of help from many sides and many plot devices to win.
That's fine, he's a game character and GOW is a story and plot driven game, but to act like he did it all on his own is wrong and we both know it.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYes, he did just like every major hero usually has the same goes for WW. WW also has had access to many plot devices throughout her time.
Hmmm... I was sure he needed the blade. However if I am wrong I'll gladly retract my statement. Is there verification? The blade from what I understand played a part in ending him (although I do know the sequence you are talking about when he tosses it to the side).Although the power from pandora is still a plot device in itself. Which is my whole point about him needing them to win in the first place. These are just coolness arguments.
Kratos had tons of help from many sides and many plot devices to win.
That's fine, he's a game character and GOW is a story and plot driven game, but to act like he did it all on his own is wrong and we both know it.
Kratos killed each god on his own in combat save helios iirc.
Kratos has access to zeus' sword and thor has access to his hammer and ww has access to her lasso all are plot devices.
You clinging to the word plot device like this is just exclusive to Kraots is just reaching.
The gods had entire armies and many vast forces Kratos went through to get to them and Zeus was also saved by Athena in gow2 from Kratos.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterOf which GoW part are you talking here?
Hmmm... I was sure he needed the blade. However if I am wrong I'll gladly retract my statement. Is there verification? The blade from what I understand played a part in ending him (although I do know the sequence you are talking about when he tosses it to the side).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he did just like every major hero usually has the same goes for WW. WW also has had access to many plot devices throughout her time.Kratos killed each god on his own in combat save helios iirc.
Kratos has access to zeus' sword and thor has access to his hammer and ww has access to her lasso all are plot devices.
You clinging to the word plot device like this is just exclusive to Kraots is just reaching.
The gods had entire armies and may vast forces Kratos went through to get to them and Zeus was also saved by Athena in gow2.
My point is using the events that aren't quantifiable doesn't really work in debates. Hence my Orochi example.
Orochi couldn't be hurt by anything other than Iroi and Kyo's flames. That's fine in the story but in the forum it doesn't really give a specific level to their power. I wasn't downing his power per se.
Originally posted by ParmaniacI believe he means the QTE at the end of GOW 3.
Of which GoW part are you talking here?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWell it's a horrible example since Kratos beat the life from him with his bare hands.
Dude pay attention. Lol.My point is using the events that aren't quantifiable doesn't really work in debates. Hence my Orochi example.
Orochi couldn't be hurt by anything other than Iroi and Kyo's flames. That's fine in the story but in the forum it doesn't really give a specific level to their power. I wasn't downing his power per se.
I believe he means the QTE at the end of GOW 3.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWhat does qte mean ? I mean when Zeus was still slive trying to stamp out all the hope in Kratos and when Kratos saw this and recovered he beat the life outu of him after he tossed his blades aside. The sword didn't end him Kratos' fists did.
You mean the QTE sequence?
Can anybody answer my Hermes question.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does qte mean ? I mean when Zeus was still slive trying to stamp out all the hope in Kratos and when Kratos saw this and recovered he beat the life outu of him after he tossed his blades aside. The sword didn't end him Kratos' fists did.
Quick Time Event. You mean after he stabbed him and then he smashed his head in?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThe stabbing didn't kill him at all he was still after Kratos with the sword on the ground it wasn't sticking in hos body and Kratos ultimately destroyed or killed him with his fists.
Can anybody answer my Hermes question.Quick Time Event. You mean after he stabbed him and then he smashed his head in?