Venom Symbiotes vs Gorgon

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I disagree, that is still quite abit going for him.

Stats arnt closes to venom? based on what? Only realy advantage venom has is strength, He has zero speed of reflex advantage, in fact I ever wager Gorgon the faster of the two.

I stated his intellect becuase you acting like in general once his stone stare gone he got nothing, which is far from the cases, he completely no sold many establish characters with out the uses of stone stare. I agree intellect does not determine much in a fight, it more tactics, that matter which gorgon still a genius at, though doubt it matter much in this fight.

MA ability will play a factor in melee, like it always does, him facing a sym does not change this.

why will he loses to brock? Becuase I disagree completely.

not sure phobes powers had no effect on him and he a god.

Lol I didn't say nothing, I said he doesn't have as much going for him against a symbiote who has tremendous damage resistance. If he was fighting Batman or something he'd still stomp. But not against a symbiote. Brock has great reflexes around Spider-Man level.

God arguments don't work and you know that. 😛 Gods lose to mortals all of the time in fiction. I almost feel like I'm in a Kratos thread now. 😘

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because when Spider-Man's intellect was brought up in a fight it didn't seem to matter since he didn't have MA, even though he's used his intellect in thousands of fights. Any proof of Gorgon using it?

Gorgon has used his intellect many times, though not so much in battle, because he normally destroys the people he fighting.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol I didn't say nothing, I said he doesn't have as much going for him against a symbiote who has tremendous damage resistance. If he was fighting Batman or something he'd still stomp. But not against a symbiote. Brock has great reflexes around Spider-Man level.

Gorgon is at least spiderman level though in reflexes and speed. Dude is dam fast.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
God arguments don't work and you know that. 😛 Mortals lose to gods all of the time in fiction. I almost feel like I'm in a Kratos thread now. 😘

He is comparable to Spider-Man in speed in reflexes I agree. See. We as people tend to agree we just say the same thing in different ways.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He is comparable to Spider-Man in speed in reflexes I agree. See. We as people tend to agree we just say the same thing in different ways.

I think this match is interesting, well the fight with just brock anyways. I wonder how brock would do with being cut in haft, or stabbed completely through ect. I know Wolverine stabbed him before, but he does not have nearly the length of a sword. Which can play a big factor when you have a big enough weapon to damage to host in side.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Which still means he doesn't have as much going for him. Those stats of his are nowhere near Venom's. He isn't even quite on Spider-Man's level all across the board. So Gorgon's genius intellect matters in a match but when it's Spider-Man it doesn't matter in a fight? MA ability? Won't really matter against symbiotes.

He will give Brock trouble, then he will lose. If he's fighting all of them, he goes down. Hard.

Does Anti-Venom have any affect on Gorgon?

Gorgon is far faster, has a weapon that would outright rip the symbiotes in half, he is a better fighter. He would DESTROY venom in a melee confrontation. I can't believe you said that spidey is a physical match for gorgon. Make a thread of spidey vs elektra and wolverine and let's see what people would say and these are the same two people that gorgon blitzed and took out in a couple of panels.

As for the fight, he clears this. The symbiotes are to inconsistent... doesn't have the necessary speed to keep up with gorgon and gorgons swords would take a hard toll on their durability.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He is comparable to Spider-Man in speed in reflexes I agree. See. We as people tend to agree we just say the same thing in different ways.

I disagree... when spidey and elektra fight they are usually on even footing... elektra couldn't even land one solid lick on gorgon. Then we have shield agents that has seen spidey in action and states that no one is as fast as gorgon. Then we have wolverine that has went face to face with spidey also saying that no one is as fast as gorgon. Then we have wolvy and elektra yet again facing gorgon, peeps that has went f2f with spidey and held their own getting blitz by gorgon and yet again wolverine is complimenting his speed. The only time wolvy ever got a legit hit and did well against gorgon is when he knocked him off of a 10 story building and after that small showing, he got blitzed yet again.

Wolvy and spidey speed is comparable not gorgon and spidey... gorgon is on a different level.

Originally posted by carver9
Gorgon is far faster, has a weapon that would outright rip the symbiotes in half, he is a better fighter. He would DESTROY venom in a melee confrontation. I can't believe you said that spidey is a physical match for gorgon. Make a thread of spidey vs elektra and wolverine and let's see what people would say and these are the same two people that gorgon blitzed and took out in a couple of panels.

As for the fight, he clears this. The symbiotes are to inconsistent... doesn't have the necessary speed to keep up with gorgon and gorgons swords would take a hard toll on their durability.

So where is Gorgon beyond Spider-Man in physically? I've asked time and time again and I've seen nothing. He has comparable speed and reaction, that's about it.

I don't need to make a thread to prove what other's think. Most people on here are stupid anyways. Gorgon doesn't mind killing, Spider-Man does. Gorgon is an occasional villain so of course he's going to "look badass" when he approaches.

You don't want me to use a feat war with you. Spider-Man Secret Wars? Spider-Man F4? I hate feat wars because it's a stupid way to argue. But don't be silly enough to argue him against someone with a larger history and try to use a feat war.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So where is Gorgon beyond Spider-Man in physically? I've asked time and time again and I've seen nothing. He has comparable speed and reaction, that's about it.

I don't need to make a thread to prove what other's think. Most people on here are stupid anyways. Gorgon doesn't mind killing, Spider-Man does. Gorgon is an occasional villain so of course he's going to "look badass" when he approaches.

You don't want me to use a feat war with you. Spider-Man Secret Wars? Spider-Man F4? I hate feat wars because it's a stupid way to argue. But don't be silly enough to argue him against someone with a larger history and try to use a feat war.

But again, you fail to realize that even with the small showing that gorgon has, he has proven that he is faster and probably stronger.

This is the same guy that bit a steel sword and broke it into pieces.

Again, spidey speed is comparable to wolvy and elektra and this has been proven a thousand times. The same people that spidey is comparable to got blitzed every time they confronted gorgon. Then we have gorgon fighting someone and at the same time yoyo is trying to sneak him with a speed blitz... someone that has feats of going thousands past the speed of sound and he has enough speed to slice someone, grab his sword, turn around, and slice her hand off before her blitz even touch him.

This girl is faster than speed demon, someone that trounced spiderman, this girl is faster than classic quicksilver, someone who trounced spiderman also and the tables turned on her, she got blitzed.

This should also prove that gorgon could possibly be stronger than spidey. Marvel knights #13... an enraged spidey is punching on wolvey with no effect at all. Gorgon punches wolvey and almost end the fight. This has happened twice with a spidey giving it everything he got at wolvy head doing no damage at all but gorgon fist was thrashing wolverine.

Originally posted by carver9
But again, you fail to realize that even with the small showing that gorgon has, he has proven that he is faster and probably stronger.

This is the same guy that bit a steel sword and broke it into pieces.

Again, spidey speed is comparable to wolvy and elektra and this has been proven a thousand times. The same people that spidey is comparable to got blitzed every time they confronted gorgon. Then we have gorgon fighting someone and at the same time yoyo is trying to sneak him with a speed blitz... someone that has feats of going thousands past the speed of sound and he has enough speed to slice someone, grab his sword, turn around, and slice her hand off before her blitz even touch him.

This girl is faster than speed demon, someone that trounced spiderman, this girl is faster than classic quicksilver, someone who trounced spiderman also and the tables turned on her, she got blitzed.

There has been no "speed" proven. I made a thread about it, and nothing got proven, it got closed due to bashing. The consensus what what it should have been and the feats were better. Just because 3 or 4 people choose not to see that it isn't my problem.

And why is this turning into Wolverine vs Spider-Man? I am *not* doing this argument for the 10,000th time. doh

*edit* Are you really saying Gorgon is stronger. Dear god. Spider-Man has affected him with hits, and Spider-Man has shattered tanks and lifted a building. This is almost too stupid to continue. Not to mention Cap, DD, and Punisher have affected him with their hits as well. I'm going to cry.

Do you have any strength feats like those mentioned above? Nope.

Originally posted by carver9
someone that has feats of going thousands past the speed of sound

This is what makes me not want to bother posting seriously on this site, kinda like that business site. I might just not bother with certain... posts now.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man has far greater strength feats. Spider-Man has blitzed teams of people, with the aforementioned characters as well. If we *really* want to go nasty with the feats I could put in Thor or Titania.

also spiderman did not really blizt wolverien in secret warriors. Wolverine attack him by jumping straight in the air and spiderman back handed him, thats not a speed blizt.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man has far greater strength feats. Spider-Man has blitzed teams of people, with the aforementioned characters as well. If we *really* want to go nasty with the feats I could put in Thor or Titania.

There has been no "speed" proven. I made a thread about it, and nothing got proven, it got closed due to bashing. The consensus what what it should have been and the feats were better. Just because 3 or 4 people choose not to see that it isn't my problem.

And why is this turning into Wolverine vs Spider-Man? I am *not* doing this argument for the 10,000th time. doh

*edit* Are you really saying Gorgon is stronger. Dear god. Spider-Man has affected him with hits, and Spider-Man has shattered tanks and lifted a building. This is almost too stupid to continue. Not to mention Cap, DD, and Punisher have affected him with their hits as well. I'm going to cry.

Do you have any strength feats like those mentioned above? Nope.

Wolvy has aslo blitzed thor and thor commented on his speed which again is comparable to spidey but like I said before... even though wolverine had all of that speed, it still wasn't enough for gorgon. Like I told you before... elektra has stabbed spidey, went h2h with him landing blows... hell, even daredevil and cap has done this but like I am going to CONTINUOUSLY tell you until you understand, people in these tiers has fought gorgon "and could not match his speed". What is so hard for you to understand about this cmaster?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Though I don't agree with carver, you don't wanna use thor, because despite how much people dislike it, Thor pretty much stated he was slower then Wolverine. So argueing spiderman blizting thor against someone like carver not going to help you.

also spiderman did not really blizt wolverien in secret warriors. Wolverine attack him by jumping straight in the air and spiderman back handed him, thats not a speed blizt.

Originally posted by Starscream M
are you still arguing that wolverine is as fast as spiderman, seriously? 🤨

Also how does not think or stating that spiderman did not speed blizt wolverine equate to one argueing he as fast?

honest get the **** out.

your a waste of time.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolvy has aslo blitzed thor and thor commented on his speed which again is comparable to spidey but like I said before... even though wolverine had all of that speed, it still wasn't enough for gorgon. Like I told you before... elektra has stabbed spidey, went h2h with him landing blows... hell, even daredevil and cap has done this but like I am going to CONTINUOUSLY tell you until you understand, people in these tiers has fought gorgon "and could not match his speed". What is so hard for you to understand about this cmaster?

Spider-man holds back against Cap and other humans. How about we use his good feats instead of his bad. Like going against Carnage and dodging him even though he has no Spider Sense and he's MUCH faster than Wolverine and Elektra too. There is blitzing and moving so fast that nobody can see you.

You can't talk about understanding because you clearly lack it.

Gorgon is not stronger than Spider-Man and he doesn't have better feats in another league any physical area especially in feats, but I hate feat wars. So I'm not going into that.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
how did you get that from my post?

Also how does not think or stating that spiderman did not speed blizt wolverine equate to one argueing he as fast?

honest get the **** out.

your a waste of time.

Lol on topic because I know where this is going.

If his stone stare isn't working I don't see Gorgon winning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man has blitzed a team of Bishop, Raidactive Man, Blizzard, and Mr. Fantastic, he's also out done the X-Men in speed. Spider-Man would have had to have been faster to do that.

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also disagree with spiderman x-men crap vest. All he did was back hand wolverien which is far froma speed blizt, webb colossus eyes, rougue and NC, all of which is pis (nc can teleport out, colossus easily strong enough to ripp it off, and rouge is as well. not sure thats the best arguement. But meh not like carver arguements any better.