Originally posted by NephthysNope, a death eater flies right through Neville's head, and Neville is still standing after he passes through him. Same with Hermione as she flails about with her wand. And here:
It isn't intangible. Your own vid proves that, the gang were being buffeted about by them. Ergo they have solid bodies.
FF to :35, and then to 1:38. The Death eaters are flying right through one another.
Originally posted by Robtard
At "go" Yoda's Force enhanced reaction-time allows him to react first.Death Spell wouldn't hit Yoda, he'd block it, or dodge is another option due to his reaction-time and precog. Not that it would get that far, as Snape needs a wand to cast that. See above.
No, dude, it doesn't. If they cannot attack until GO, Snape is ready and apparates away. It's instantaneous, Yoda's force pull is not instantaneous. Snape will be in the air flying around by the time the force pull hits where he was.
What you are implying is that Yoda gets to attack first, and that Snape must wait.
Nope, a death eater flies right through Neville's head, and Neville is still standing after he passes through him.
Actually it passes above his head:
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You can clearly see them being buffeted about in the smoke. Come on, your not fooling anyone, we can all see it. 😬
FF to :35, and then to 1:38. The Death eaters are flying right through one another.
No, actually they're flying through each others smoke trails.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, dude, it doesn't. If they cannot attack until GO, Snape is ready and apparates away. It's instantaneous, Yoda's force pull is not instantaneous. Snape will be in the air flying around by the time the force pull hits where he was.What you are implying is that Yoda gets to attack first, and that Snape must wait.
So Snape is ready, yet Yoda isn't and won't capitalize on his superior reaction-time, cos you say so. Good way of debating, dude.
No, what I am saying is that Yoda's Force abilities grant him superior reaction-time and that he would be able to react/attack first. Which part of 'Yoda being faster due to his Force enhancements' is hard to understand? It's like an Old West gun-fight; the guy who can draw/shoot first wins.
Originally posted by Nephthyshaermm No, man, the death eaters are flying all around Harry and the others AND through them.
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You can clearly see them being buffeted about in the smoke. Come on, your not fooling anyone, we can all see it. 😬
No, actually they're flying through each others smoke trails.
No. In the bridge attack vid, at :36, you can plainly see the two death eaters on the right fly right through one another. The last part, after destroying the bridge, it's hard to tell because of the angle, but I watched it in extreme slomo on my dvd. Right through each other.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, they're both ready. Snape IMMEDIATELY and INSTANTLY turns into a cloud of intangible smoke and takes off. Even if Yoda force pulls immediately, he'll be force pulling an empty space.
So Snape is ready, yet Yoda isn't and won't capitalize on his superior reaction-time, cos you say so. Good way of debating, dude.No, what I am saying is that Yoda's Force abilities grant him superior reaction-time and that he would be able to react/attack first. Which part of 'Yoda being faster due to his Force enhancements' is hard to understand? It's like an Old West gun-fight; the guy who can draw/shoot first wins.
Originally posted by NephthysAnd here we go. Snape is Voldemorts most trusted leiutenant. He is the most powerful "Death Eater", the only other coming close is Bellatrix. An OOTP member and an all around powerful ass wizard. You think he can't do something lesser wizards can? The death eaters from the ministry battle vid, Snape wipes his ass with them.
Oh yeah, and since when has Snape half-apparated?
This is like saying "Mace Windu cannot force push because he was never shown doing so onscreen", or "McClane sucks with a shotgun because he was never shown using one onscreen."
Originally posted by ImpedimentYou're kidding, right? It's in the vids I posted.
I'd like to see a screen feat of "half apparating", myself.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, they're both ready. Snape IMMEDIATELY and INSTANTLY turns into a cloud of intangible smoke and takes off. Even if Yoda force pulls immediately, he'll be force pulling an empty space.
This again ignores that Yoda has far superior reaction-time due to the Force. IE He'd pull BEFORE Snape 'poofed' himself.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Snape accio's it right back. And disarms Yoda with expelliarmus.Snape can do much more, dude. He has way too many spells to work with, more powerful spells, while Yoda had a small handful of attacks.
More spells to cast, more powerful spells overall= Victory.
How can he accio his wand back without his wand?
AHA!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, Snape apparates away right away and becomes intangible, a cloud of smoke.Yeah, intangible. What happens if you shoot a cloud of smoke with a gun? Nothing. The bullet passes right through.
It's debatable as to whether or not a wand is required to apparate. The only evidence we have from the books clearly indicates that a wand is required. Nothing contradicts that, but there's no solid evidence that a wand is absolutely required to apparate.
Just though I'd throw that out there for those of you that are HP-ignorant. *tips hat*
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The speed at which a death eater flies around>>>>>>>>.Jedi speed/reaction time.
Incorrect. When fighting at the ministry of magic, you'd be hard pressed to find one single death eater "half-apparating" at more than 50-60 Mph. This is far slower than the 80-200Mph blaster bolts that Jedi routinely block.
Case in point: Obi Wan, in Episode-II blocked 200Mph blaster bolts from Jango Fett AFTER Jango opened fire. Obi-Wan went from walking onto the landing pad to pulling out his lightsaber and igniting it, all before the 200Mph blaster bolts reached him. Jango was 20-50 (at most) away from Obi-Wan. That should prove, beyond any doubt, that a Jedi is obviously far faster in reaction time to any wizard.
Half-apparating wizards fighting: 50ish Mph.
Jedi Reaction time: multiple 200Mph bolts at once. (low end.)
Result: Jedi/Sith have far better reaction times than a wizard does.
Sneak up on a wizard, cast a spell, and it will land close to 100% of the time with no reaction from the wizard. Do the same thing to a Jedi/Sith will react close to 100% of the time. Some may die, but that's to illustrate the differences between the two types.
Other than destroying some of RJ's more pitiful arguments, I still thing Snape wins. Why? Snape has more tools to work with. 5 or more minutes of prep time will net Snape a victory.
Originally posted by dadudemonI already conceded this.
How can he accio his wand back without his wand?AHA!
It's debatable as to whether or not a wand is required to apparate. The only evidence we have from the books clearly indicates that a wand is required. Nothing contradicts that, but there's no solid evidence that a wand is absolutely required to apparate.No solid evidence= Wand is not required.Just though I'd throw that out there for those of you that are HP-ignorant. *tips hat*
Incorrect. When fighting at the ministry of magic, you'd be hard pressed to find one single death eater "half-apparating" at more than 50-60 Mph. This is far slower than the 80-200Mph blaster bolts that Jedi routinely block.The bridge attack, dude. They were flying at easily 200 mph. Obviously they can fly at different speeds.
Case in point: Obi Wan, in Episode-II blocked 200Mph blaster bolts from Jango Fett AFTER Jango opened fire. Obi-Wan went from walking onto the landing pad to pulling out his lightsaber and igniting it, all before the 200Mph blaster bolts reached him. Jango was 20-50 (at most) away from Obi-Wan. That should prove, beyond any doubt, that a Jedi is obviously far faster in reaction time to any wizard.I never questioned a Jedi's reaction time.
Half-apparating wizards fighting: 50ish Mph.
No.....FF to :37, :44, 1:12 and the end. WAY faster than 20 mph.
Jedi Reaction time: multiple 200Mph bolts at once. (low end.)In saber combat, yes. Not while casting spells.Result: Jedi/Sith have far better reaction times than a wizard does.
Sneak up on a wizard, cast a spell, and it will land close to 100% of the time with no reaction from the wizard. Do the same thing to a Jedi/Sith will react close to 100% of the time. Some may die, but that's to illustrate the differences between the two types.Mhm.
Other than destroying some of RJ's more pitiful arguments, I still thing Snape wins. Why? Snape has more tools to work with. 5 or more minutes of prep time will net Snape a victory.I already said this. They do not want to hear this.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yoda never Force-pulled in a fight from what I recall, but he's shown being able to manipulate large and heavy objects on a couple occasions with the Force, so pulling a 3 ounce stick shouldn't be a problem and his Jedi reaction-time stands. Plus the precog.
Mhm, Yoda can lift heavy objects. Snape can VANISH them.
haermm x infinity.
Ah, the precog, the faulty precog. Yeah, trust in that, see what happens.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already conceded this.No solid evidence= Wand is not required.
No, the only evidence we ever have of someone trying without a wand was a failure. (Ron failed, horribly, when he tried it that one time without his wand.)
That's solid evidence.
So it's settled. 🙂
Edit - Looked up another time: Harry tells the non-wand-ers to grab onto those who had wands, before they apparated. That's solid evidence. If you can provide an instance that someone apparated, successfully, without a wand, no troubles, then it's debatable. Until then, there's no room for discussion: a wand is required.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The bridge attack, dude. They were flying at easily 200 mph. Obviously they can fly at different speeds.I never questioned a Jedi's reaction time.
They weren't dueling, though.
That's settled, too.
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No.....FF to :37, :44, 1:12 and the end. WAY faster than 20 mph.
You forgot that, in context, I was referring to fighting, not just flying around and casting spells.
Please see this portion of my post:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect. When fighting...
Also, at no point in my post do I have "20" anywhere.
Anyway, obviously, my point was about fighting, no flying around, in the air, of a muggle city. Why do you think I worded the intro to that topic as I did?
Do you think I would use Yoda's high-end feat of pulling up an X-wing as a usable force ability? Nope! It would take Yoda far too long to pick up an object that massive, with the force, for it to be usable in a real fight.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In saber combat, yes. Not while casting spells.
Obviously, you understand the force much better than to say that a Jedi or Sith's reaction times are tied to well more than just saber combat. Obviously, they have better reaction times, by far, than any muggle or wizard when it comes to anything that measures reaction time.
Mhm.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already said this. They do not want to hear this.
I know this. Just wanted to make it clear that I was addressing your weaker arguments, not your correct ones. The other ones you made were legit, else I would have criticized them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the only evidence we ever have of someone trying without a wand was a failure. (Ron failed, horribly, when he tried it that one time without his wand.)That's solid evidence.
So it's settled. 🙂
Edit - Looked up another time: Harry tells the non-wand-ers to grab onto those who had wands, before they apparated. That's solid evidence. If you can provide an instance that someone apparated, successfully, without a wand, no troubles, then it's debatable. Until then, there's no room for discussion: a wand is required.
Several other times a wizard apparated, wand in hand, but did no incantation, and did not wave it about. They just held it in their hand.
They weren't dueling, though.I'm talking all out, top speed. It's painfully obvious they can slow down/speed up at will.That's settled, too.
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You forgot that, in context, I was referring to fighting, not just flying around and casting spells.Bewbz.Please see this portion of my post:
Also, at no point in my post do I have "20" anywhere.
Anyway, obviously, my point was about fighting, no flying around, in the air, of a muggle city. Why do you think I worded the intro to that topic as I did?
Do you think I would use Yoda's high-end feat of pulling up an X-wing as a usable force ability? Nope! It would take Yoda far too long to pick up an object that massive, with the force, for it to be usable in a real fight.
Obviously, you understand the force much better than to say that a Jedi or Sith's reaction times are tied to well more than just saber combat. Obviously, they have better reaction times, by far, than any muggle or wizard when it comes to anything that measures reaction time.Still haven't seen a force user cast a force spell with the same reflexes they use in saber combat.Mhm.
Just saying.
I know this. Just wanted to make it clear that I was addressing your weaker arguments, not your correct ones. The other ones you made were legit, else I would have criticized them.I'm actually welcoming someone to prove me wrong on wizards being intangible while half apparating. If this can be proven, then it makes the wizards all the more powerful.
Stay tuned.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already provided vids, dude. When Harry side-apparated with Dumbledore, Dumbledore had no wand. When Fred and George apparated in the OOTP HQ, they had no wand.Several other times a wizard apparated, wand in hand, but did no incantation, and did not wave it about. They just held it in their hand.
1. That's dumbledore: the most powerful and well-rounded wizard current generation and one of the most powerful of all time. Hardly a good comparison. 😉
2. Movie blunders do not trump the higher canon source: the books. Only in the MVF do we have stupid sh*t like that happening.
3. Do you honestly think Dumbles didn't have the ELDER WAND on him? Obvously, he did. 🙂
4. Fred and George had their wands on their person, just the same as Dumbles. 🙂 Prove that their wand was upstairs or wherever else you say it was, other than their person.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'm talking all out, top speed. It's painfully obvious they can slow down/speed up at will.
Indeed. But let me know when the fight will last long enough for Snape to "fly" at top speed. It's painfully obvious that the fight will be over in less than 5 seconds with either Yoda dead or Snape dead.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bewbz.
hmm
I see your point. Okay, you win.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Still haven't seen a force user cast a force spell with the same reflexes they use in saber combat.Just saying.
Force Jump and force speed don't count? 🙂
teehee
PWNED!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'm actually welcoming someone to prove me wrong on wizards being intangible while half apparating. If this can be proven, then it makes the wizards all the more powerful.Stay tuned.
I've already done it, John. 🙂
I won't bring it up in the thread because I want the others to stop the HP hate and actually use their knowledges.