Savage Opress...

Started by ares83412 pages

I disagree. Even after we learned about the prophecy of the Chosen One the EU has decided to make more and more Sith. The Legacy comics have a new group of Sith actually conquer the galaxy and FotJ presents an entire world of Sith existng at the time Vader brought balance to the force. So while they will follow basic tenants presented by Lucas, they ignore those that would prevent them from doing what they actually want.
And yes he does direct the EU sometimes, but that doesn't mean much considering he said it was ok for them to clone the Emperor.
If you really want to see how much GL cares about the Eu just watch the show. Sure he takes some minor elements from it, but mostly he is just steamrolling over the current CW continuity.

I see your point. Although it is interesting that most the big contradictions happen in the Post ROTJ stuff.

But I did notice the new Animation has basically renedered Obsession non-canon. Obsession was supposed to be the next time Obi-wan and Anakin saw Ventress after Ventress gave Anakin his scar (in the CW comics), and was supposed to be just a month before ROTS.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There was nothing tactful about that. And because he's needlessly being rude, simply because he doesnt like my arguments, im reporting him.

I hope you are not serious after you insulted just about everyone who disagreed with you.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I hope you are not serious after you insulted just about everyone who disagreed with you.

Yes I am. Iv reported him. There was no point to make in his comment. The comment was just to have a dig at me, for no other reason except he doesnt like the points Ive been making. I found it to be needless and immature.

And I only insulted people "back". And I never swore, mainly just used sarcastic comments, while making a point. Your free to report any of my comments you think were inappropriate.

lol

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes I am. Iv reported him. There was no point to make in his comment. The comment was just to have a dig at me, for no other reason except he doesnt like the points Ive been making. I found it to be needless and immature.

And I only insulted people "back". And I never swore, mainly just used sarcastic comments, while making a point. Your free to report any of my comments you think were inappropriate.

That is a lie because you did insult me. You also said no one here has common sense. To me it's no big deal because if someone insults me, I just insult them back. I'm just saying that you are being a little dramatic. He said your logic was lacking, and it is. He really didn't insult you.

If you report him the the mods might just laugh at you or give you a warning.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That is a lie because you did insult me. You also said no one here has common sense. To me it's no big deal because if someone insults me, I just insult them back. I'm just saying that you are being a little dramatic. He said your logic was lacking, and it is. He really didn't insult you.

If you report him the the mods might just laugh at you or give you a warning.

Ive already reported him for that comment. And no he didnt just innocently say my logic was lacking. That would have been an actual point he was making. He just made a post saying hes laughing at me and how i cant respond because I chat "shit"

He didnt even say respond to wat?

he wasnt making a point. He was just being rude cause he doesnt like me. Which like I said is immature.

If someone makes good points like ares did, I will put thought into it, and even concede the point to him. Because Ares can actually have a mature debate, and can think for himself. He doesnt need to just make random comments at people he decides hes doesnt like like Blax did.

Im really not bothered if the mods "laugh at me". I wasnt bothered Blax was "laughing" at me, i just though his comment was innapropriate.

Bad logic is inappropiate.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ive already reported him for that comment. And no he didnt just innocently say my logic was lacking. That would have been an actual point he was making. He just made a post saying hes laughing at me and how i cant respond because I chat "shit"

He didnt even say respond to wat?

he wasnt making a point. He was just being rude cause he doesnt like me. Which like I said is immature.

If someone makes good points like ares did, I will put thought into it, and even concede the point to him. Because Ares can actually have a matur debate, and can think for himself. He doesnt need to just make random comments at people he decides hes got a grude against like Blax did.

Im really not bothered if the mods "laugh at me". I wasnt bothered Blax was "laughing" at me, i just though his comment was innapropriate.

I could have reported you for the things you said to me, but I didn't and I'm not. He did not insult you, he said your logic was bullshit. Is that what you're reporting him for? Using the word bullshit?

Chill out, DP. It's not that big of a deal. Alright?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I could have reported you for the things you said to me, but I didn't and I'm not. He did not insult you, he said your logic was bullshit. Is that what you're reporting him for? Using the word bullshit?

Chill out, DP. It's not that big of a deal. Alright?

Well I still dnt think there was any reason for his post except to be confrontational. But whatever, i dnt care.

Needless attacks like that are usually just a sign of immaturity and frustration. He needs to grow up and accept people wnt always agree with his views, but thats no reason to get confrontational like that.

Its not just him, its been like that from a couple of people here, and guess I just got fed up with it after Blax's comment.

Neway whatever.

You've made personal attacks on my personality... three times now. So I guess that makes you a... hypocrite? lol.

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The canon policy for KMC is as follows:

CANON/CONTINUITY

No one area is more controversial than this one. To define exactly what is meant here, ‘canon’ is a term that refers to accepted continuity. On the most basic level, if two different Star Wars stories contain contradicting events, the one that is correct (if any!) is called the ‘canon’ version.

By extending that concept, the ‘canon’ of a setting is the combination of all those stories and events which are ‘correct’. Anything outside the canon is considered speculation, imaginary, or simply plain wrong.

The arguments over what is and is not canon in Star Wars have become almost biblical in proportion, and the centrepiece of that argument is how canon is the EU compared to the films.

The most important thing to stress here is that all produced Star Wars is for yourself to enjoy. Whatever interpretation you want to put on what is and is not so is absolutely your business.

However, a simple ‘live and let live’ policy in that area does not work so well on these forums because it encourages endless arguments that absolutely can never be resolved. As a result of this, we operate a ‘canon policy’ on these forums that means we can settle these issues if need be. If such a policy goes against what you believe, then I apologise but we do have to set a standard. For what it is worth, we believe our canon policy is based on sensible and appropriate grounds, taken from the fundamental premise that George Lucas is king of all things Star Wars, that the films are the most important part of Star Wars, and everything else must be judged relevant to those two factors.

I must absolutely stress the point that none of this is based on simple personal preference. There is sometimes a feeling, for example, that some people seek to cut the EU out of continuity because they dislike it. Well, speaking personally, I don’t like Return of the Jedi, but that doesn’t mean I want to cut it out of continuity. All decisions in this area are based on statements by George Lucas and senior members of Lucasfilm. If they clearly and unequivocally change their minds, so shall we.

Of course, although there was a time when it seemed their intentions here were clear, various officials have contradicted each other- or even changes their stories- so many times that this is no longer the case. In fact, there is no single, unambiguously stated continuity policy from Lucasfilm that covers the entire range. There IS a continuity approach for the EU in particular, but the same man who constructs it is the one who has clearly said that Lucasfilm has none of its own. If there WAS such a clear approach, then there would at least be no argument, but there you go.

Here, then, is canon policy as applied at these forums:

1. As far as the film sections are concerned, the EU does not exist. These sections are in a continuity where everything is down to the films- although points arising from film-related material (novels, scripts, radio plays) can be brought into things.

2. As far as the EU section is concerned, the films are the most important canon. The rest of the canon is rated in-house as part of an ongoing continuity effort by the makers and as much as it can be, that can be treated as the way of things here. Generally speaking, books are very canon, computer games aren’t, but it’s not quite as simple as that. Ask around and you shall find out.

3. Anything George Lucas says about the Star Wars universe is incontestable. We kinda take that as a point of common sense.

That’s more or less it. Below I will state the justifications for this policy

A. Both Lucasfilm and George Lucas himself have made it clear that he only considers the films themselves as ‘canon’, not that he uses that term. This is nothing to do with a statement of quality on the EU, it’s almost certainly a creative approach so that he does not get hemmed in by anything the EU says. And indeed, he has run pretty roughshod over EU elements in making the Prequel films, from the term ‘Darth’ to Boba Fett. Of course, George is not afraid to nick things he likes from the EU, like the name ‘Coruscant’, but that only applies to the individual elements concerned.

B. The people in charge of the EU operate the Holocron, the attempt to build one broad continuity, and it is their rules that the films- the so-called ‘G’-canon- trumps everything else in EU continuity.

I don’t want to get into some kind of evidence war, but I will provide two quotes here that give context to our decisions here. The first is from Steve Sansweet, Lucasfilm’s head of fan relations, when directly asked a question on the Star Wars website relating to Boba Fett’s death in ROTJ compared to him being alive in the EU.

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences."

He went onto explain that George Lucas considers Boba Fett dead in the films, yet alive in the EU. This, of course, was an enormous clue as to how as far as GL is concerned, they do not share the same continuity. Clues are not necessary, though, as he made the point clear himself in a later magazine interview between Episodes II and III:

”There are two worlds here ... There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe - the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

So as we can see, GL likes this healthy layer of separation- as I say, I would imagine this is for creative reasons. This is also creatively beneficial for the EU as well, as it can experiment and develop plots without being ‘chained in’ by whatever George wants for a certain situation. Of course, George does have some creative input into the EU, but only, again, for very particular things; that’s not a general policy.

Do remember that anything that is a George Lucas story is NOT EU. That’s not only the films, but all direct adaptations of them. In fact, the EU is a specific line of products, books, games and comics. Things like the website are not EU (and not any form of canon either, though generally the website is a good guideline). In some areas, it has been known for the term ‘EU’ to mean the same thing as ‘non-canon’. That really makes no sense. For a start, the EU has is own canon. Secondly, EU isn’t out of canon with the films by default; it is simply because George Lucas seems to prefer it that way.

Again, I am sorry if anyone does not agree with this line of reasoning. But it is the line of reasoning we apply here, and please do respect that.

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As you can see, within the EU section, aspects of the series that GL does not consider to be part of his universe are discussed. In fact, the EU section is pretty much the place to discuss it. This is the purpose for this subforum. If you wish to discuss Star Wars without any reference to material outside of the films then you are more than welcome to do so in one of the other Star Wars forums. However, when posting in the Literature and Expanded Universe forum, please remember that all Expanded Universe material is canon, at least within this subforum. I've PM'd REX so if you have further concerns then he should be able to address the issue in private.

More on topic, I am thrilled at the prospect that Kenobi will get to repeat his performance against Maul.

You're thrilled by that...

Well, I would asbolutley cream myself, if some sort of omniscient source stated that Savage Oppress is Darth Maul's superior in every way, and then Obi-Wan ends up whooping his ass.

Just to shut everybody up. Would be epic.

I am also thrilled about the way your mom gives head, but that too is off topic.

I'm hoping that Kenobi and !Maul have to work together for something, and then Anakin gets to copy Kenobi's WTFPwn moment from the movie.

Edit: Blax's version is kewl too. So long as we are allowed to keep using Clone Wars logic.

Ironically, as far as canon goes, the Clone Wars logic actually supersedes all canon except for the movies.

Ironic is a poor word choice, I guess "horrifically" would be better? Not sure.

Dude, I just shit in your aquarium! Isn't that ironic?

It's also hyperbole; it's just a fishbowl.

On a related hydro-note, that was two pages of Who Gives A F*ck I just read through. My (non-existent) hat's off to you, red, for putting an end to it.

You're all reported!

Originally posted by Zampanó
I am also thrilled about the way your mom gives head, but that too is off topic.

I'm hoping that Kenobi and !Maul have to work together for something, and then Anakin gets to copy Kenobi's WTFPwn moment from the movie.

Edit: Blax's version is kewl too. So long as we are allowed to keep using Clone Wars logic.

I already forgot about Clone Wars logic. We should start using it again more often because it is infallible.