Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Translation: "Guys, RJ is spanking your bottoms blue, you should bow out."Dunno much about Starkiller, I'm just remembering him bringing down a star destroyer.
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'As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.' - Official Star Wars Databank.
Originally posted by NephthysLike I said, dunno much about zee Starkiller.
Cry Moar Plz!'As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.' - Official Star Wars Databank.
Well lets just say he'd rip Snape a new one.
Originally posted by NephthysSee, I believe the following: Just because guy A beats guy B, then guy B beats guy C, that doesn't mean A beats C. IMO one thing has nothing to do with another.
YouTube videoWell lets just say he'd rip Snape a new one.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
DDM summed up battle precog quite nicely here:Overly optimistic appraisal.....Hmm.....Let's think about that.......I have proven that wizard apparition is instantaneous. I have proven that wizards can cast spells while being force choked. I have proven that wizards of Snape's caliber are faster casting spells than any force user is casting force attacks. What else is there? Wizards are faster, have far stronger powers, have MORE powers. See, when someone is faster, stronger, and has more powers, they usually win.
Precog.....K.......Where was Yoda's precog when Sidious blasted him into the wall? Where was Sidious's precog when Yoda returned the favor by force pushing him over his desk? Where was Obi Wan's precog when Dooku force held then threw him across the room? Where was Vader's precog when Solo blitzed his ass at Yavin? Where was Palpatine's precog when Vader rose up and killed him? Shall I go on?
Now, here are the attacks Sidious has at his disposal,and the ways Snape counters them:
1. Force choke:
A: Snape can speak in force choke. He death
spells him.
B: Snape can cast non verbal spells.
C: Snape can apparate away.
D: Snape is faster casting magic spells, so he won't
even need A. B or C.2: Force push/pull:
A: Snape apparates out of it.
B: Snape is faster casting magic spells, he won't
need A.3: Force lightning:
A: Snape is faster casting magic spells, He casts
avada kedavra before the force lightning
reaches him.4: Sidious using his lightsaber:
A: Don't make me laugh. Apparition. Death spell.
Have I forgotten anything? Yeah, thought not.
"Overly optimistic approval" my ass. Everything I have claimed I can back up with movie footage, babe. It's all fact. Wizards are just better, accept it.
Good post. I'm so glad I'm not on the Force User's side, this time.
I USED TO think that the force users would be more than fast enough until I saw Snape do that ultra fast block and cast thing.
Dumbledore is faster and more powerful than Snape, as is Voldemort. Is Snape the 3rd most powerful duelist in the series, though? I do not know...but since we know he's killed by Volde, we know he's at least weaker/slower than Volde and Dumbles kept right up with Volde at the ministry of magic duel so we can only assume the the top tiers are Dumbles and Volde with Snape coming in right behind.
As far as Harry Beating Volde? That comes down to Volde getting too arrogant and wanting to torture Harry instead of death spelling him...so that's not really proving that Harry is a better duelist than any of them, it shows shows Volde's over-confidence.
So, more on topic, I do not see any G-Level canon force user beating the top 3 duelists from Harry Potter because they are just as fast if not faster than any of the Jedi in reaction time. I do, however, see most of the other wizards getting diced to pieces by some of the top tier force users up to maybe Sirius Black levels of Wizards. Then it becomes very gray at who would win.
What do you guys of the MVF think? Agree? Disagree? Agree partially?
Originally posted by dadudemonDepends on the wizard. Hermione Granger would pwn any Jedi.So, more on topic, I do not see any G-Level canon force user beating the top 3 duelists from Harry Potter because they are just as fast if not faster than any of the Jedi in reaction time. I do, however, see most of the other wizards getting diced to pieces by some of the top tier force users up to maybe Sirius Black levels of Wizards. Then it becomes very gray at who would win.
What do you guys of the MVF think? Agree? Disagree? Agree partially?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Depends on the wizard. Hermione Granger would pwn any Jedi.
Though powerful and very versatile, it's not about those two attributes. It is specifically about the Wizards reaction times. I do not remember Hermione doing anything that showed an abundant reaction time on par with a Jedi.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Translation: "Guys, RJ is spanking your bottoms blue, you should bow out."Dunno much about Starkiller, I'm just remembering him bringing down a star destroyer.
Get a little lower, and you'll be able to completely fit your junk into your mouth balls deep.
So you don't know shit about Starkiller, but you know enough to declare he'd destroy Snape. Odd.
BTW, lightning travels faster than uttering 5-6 syllables and waving a stick about, dude.
Originally posted by dadudemonConfundus. She was at least 100 yards away from Cormac and cast it on him by simply whispering it.
Though powerful and very versatile, it's not about those two attributes. It is specifically about the Wizards reaction times. I do not remember Hermione doing anything that showed an abundant reaction time on par with a Jedi.
Originally posted by RobtardNon verbal spells, dude. Pay attention.
Get a little lower, and you'll be able to completely fit your junk into your mouth balls deep.So you don't know shit about Starkiller, but you know enough to declare he'd destroy Snape. Odd.
BTW, lightning travels faster than uttering 5-6 syllables and waving a stick about, dude.
I am going with what I saw in a youtube vid, when he brought down a ****in star destroyer.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Non verbal spells, dude. Pay attention.I am going with what I saw in a youtube vid, when he brought down a ****in star destroyer.
You're the one that said "avada kedavra", dude.
And? Considering he brought it down with the Force and he'd bring to the table a similar set of powers that Palpatine would, it was an odd thing to declare considering you've tried your best to marginalize Force-precog and Jedi/Sith reaction-time, because those powers defeat your precious.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're the one that said "avada kedavra", dude.And? Considering he brought it down with the Force and he'd bring to the table a similar set of powers that Palpatine would, it was an odd thing to declare considering you've tried your best to marginalize Force-precog and Jedi/Sith reaction-time.
Non verbal spell, then death spell. Pay attention.
Hmm, even more odd that Sidious can cast force storm in the EU, but we can't use that here, can we now? Hmm?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Non verbal spell, then death spell. Pay attention.Hmm, even more odd that Sidious can cast force storm in the EU, but we can't use that here, can we now? Hmm?
This is what you said, dude. Keep your shit straight. Copy/pasted from your post above:
"3: Force lightning:
A: Snape is faster casting magic spells, He casts
avada kedavra before the force lightning
reaches him."
Lightning travels extremely fast and Palpatine's reaction-time would also net him first attack.
Who cares, the point is that you should think that Snape is somehow still faster than Starkiller, considering he's faster than three of the most powerful Force-users so far, Vader, Yoda and Palpatine, according to your nonsense.
Originally posted by Robtard
This is what you said, dude. Keep your shit straight. Copy/pasted from your post above:"3: Force lightning:
A: Snape is faster casting magic spells, He casts
avada kedavra before the force lightning
reaches him."Lightning travels extremely fast and Palpatine's reaction-time would also net him first attack.
OK then, mere typo.
Revision: Snape casts a non verbal spell before Sidious casts force lightning, stuns him senseless, then death spells him.
Stop with the "Sidious has faster reaction time" bullshit. I proved with VIDS that Snape is faster. Stop posting your opinion and post evidence. You have none. Oh my.
Better?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK then, mere typo.Revision: Snape casts a non verbal spell before Sidious casts force lightning, stuns him senseless, then death spells him.
Stop with the "Sidious has faster reaction time" bullshit. I proved with VIDS that Snape is faster. Stop posting your opinion and post evidence. You have none. Oh my.
Better?
More like ever evolving revisions.
You did no such thing, we routinely see Jedi in the films who are far less powerful than Palpatine block multiple blaster bolts within a second, sometimes from close distances; that isn't slower than blocking one attack-spell. ie 5-6 is not less than 1. I'm not bothering posting video of Jedi blocking blaster bolts, you're well aware they can do it; you've seen the films. In the end, you'll just ignore and claim otherwise.
Originally posted by Robtard
More like ever evolving revisions.You did no such thing, we routinely see Jedi in the films who are far less powerful than Palpatine block multiple blaster bolts within a second, sometimes from close distances. That isn't slower than blocking one attack-spell. ie 5-6 is not less than 1. I'm not bothering posting video of Jedi blocking blaster bolts, you're well aware they can do it and you'll just ignore and claim otherwise.
Ahahahahaaa we're talking about casting FORCE ATTACKS, that's different than SABER COMBAT.
Try again, try harder.
Indeed, that logic is flawed RJ. 😬
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh my, so Jedi/Sith have insanely faster reflexes and reaction-time, but ONLY with a lightsabre?Gimp again, gimp harder. It's all you have and ever had.
Just saying, they were never shown using uber speed while casting force attacks. They moved at regular human speed, alot of the times even slower. It's not gimping, dude. I had to go out of my way with the recent vid to prove a wizard can match a Jedi in reaction time, now's the time for you to show where a Jedi uses their mad reflexes and speed while casting force spells.
You can't. The only reason you brought in "gimping" is because you're butthurt that I own this thread, tax, title and license. Notch it up alongside the Hogwarts/501st thread, the manhattan prison wizard/Jedi thread, and the death eaters attacking the temple thread. All 3 are now officially as spankings, wizards win.
Moving on.
It's not flawed logic, it's fact, due to what we see onscreen. It's a screen feat.