Darth Sidious (Palpatine) vs Snape

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good post. I'm so glad I'm not on the Force User's side, this time.

I USED TO think that the force users would be more than fast enough until I saw Snape do that ultra fast block and cast thing.

Dumbledore is faster and more powerful than Snape, as is Voldemort. Is Snape the 3rd most powerful duelist in the series, though? I do not know...but since we know he's killed by Volde, we know he's at least weaker/slower than Volde and Dumbles kept right up with Volde at the ministry of magic duel so we can only assume the the top tiers are Dumbles and Volde with Snape coming in right behind.

Snape is up there, no doubt. Dumbledore, Voldemort, obviously the top two. The rest, in no specific order: Snape, Bellatrix, Sirius, Fenrir, Remus, Mad Eye Moody, Shacklebolt, Tonks, the Death Eaters from the ministry battle, Mconogall, maybe a few more.

As far as Harry Beating Volde? That comes down to Volde getting too arrogant and wanting to torture Harry instead of death spelling him...so that's not really proving that Harry is a better duelist than any of them, it shows shows Volde's over-confidence.

So, more on topic, I do not see any G-Level canon force user beating the top 3 duelists from Harry Potter because they are just as fast if not faster than any of the Jedi in reaction time. I do, however, see most of the other wizards getting diced to pieces by some of the top tier force users up to maybe Sirius Black levels of Wizards. Then it becomes very gray at who would win.

What do you guys of the MVF think? Agree? Disagree? Agree partially?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just saying, they were never shown using uber speed while casting force attacks. They moved at regular human speed, alot of the times even slower. It's not gimping, dude. I had to go out of my way with the recent vid to prove a wizard can match a Jedi in reaction time, now's the time for you to show where a Jedi uses their mad reflexes and speed while casting force spells.

You can't. The only reason you brought in "gimping" is because you're butthurt that I own this thread, tax, title and license. Notch it up alongside the Hogwarts/501st thread, the manhattan prison wizard/Jedi thread, and the death eaters attacking the temple thread. All 3 are now officially as spankings, wizards win.

Moving on.

It's not flawed logic, it's fact, due to what we see onscreen. It's a screen feat.

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0.48 and 1.11. Both attacks occur in a matter of milliseconds. Cry moar.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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0.48 and 1.11. Both attacks occur in a matter of milliseconds. Cry moar.

Are the attacks instantaneous? Nope!!! Cuz you know, apparition sorta.......is.....literally.......yeah.........Force push/pull/choke, wizard just apparates away. Instantly......yeah.

I love it when a good plan comes together!!!

Oh God. You are such a massive prick.

Ahahahahaha not milliseconds, not even close. They were right in each others face. Snape? He was at least 10 feet from Harry and was faster.

You can time that shit bro. From when they pull their hands back to when they unleash the attack it bare milliseconds. Remember, this is about reactions and attack speed, not the speed of the specific attacks (though in thi thread Sids has lightning anyway so speed is irrelevent 😄). Snape had the little assistence of Harry screaming out his attack a second before he actually used it. So fail!

Are the attacks instantaneous? Nope!!! Cuz you know, apparition sorta.......is.....literally.......yeah.........Force push/pull/choke, wizard just apparates away. Instantly......yeah.

More of your apparition bullshit. This has been dealt with before, I'm not repeating myself boy. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh God. You are such a massive prick.

You can time that shit bro. From when they pull their hands back to when they unleash the attack it bare milliseconds. Remember, this is about reactions and attack speed, not the speed of the specific attacks (though in thi thread Sids has lightning anyway so speed is irrelevent 😄). Snape had the little assistence of Harry screaming out his attack a second before he actually used it. So fail!

More of your apparition bullshit. This has been dealt with before, I'm not repeating myself boy. 🙄

Hmm, let's see, milliseconds to cast a force attack......Hmm....It was ONE attack, and the combatants were right in each others face.

Snape? Harry cast a spell, Snape turned, blocked, cast a spell in return and it hit Harry. The entire sequence was under a second, and from 100 feet away. When you have something that matches that, let me know. Kthxbai 😱

"Screaming out" an incantation is the same as bringing ones hand back to cast a force attack. Both are warnings. Besides, if a Jedi has battle precog, why were the victims of the force attacks in your vid caught in them? Mwahahahahaha!!!!!!!

And no, apparition has not been dealt with. Nothing, not one damn force attack is instantaneous.

Instantaneous>>>>>>>>>>>>"milliseconds."

Plus there's the fact that a force user has ZERO one hit kill attacks. Zero. None. Nil.

So.....One hit kill attacks, INSTANT apparition, equal if not better reaction time, more powerful attacks, more attacks period.......Yeah, wizards win. Every time. Just concede, dude, I've covered every possible scenario, and Snape wins every time, quite handily.

In the CGI movie and in the movies, lightning is never instant. It is "shockingly" slow. That was done more for style than it was to try and defy physics. But, were are stuck with lightning that practically crawls through the air.

And, it was even less "milliseconds" before Snape cast his own spell (expelliarmus) than it was for Anakin to throw is force push at point blank and make a connection with his target causing Dooku to be blasted back.

What about Snape? He blocked a spell and cast his own in a shorter time frame, starting from a "turned around" position.

Just the time it took Snape to go from blocking to casting and then connecting is already faster than the force push we saw. From blocking to casting, it is almost instant.

This thread is dead as are any of the other magic threads like this one. I will not post in these anymore as it is futile to have any sort of objective discussion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In the CGI movie and in the movies, lightning is never instant. It is "shockingly" slow. That was done more for style than it was to try and defy physics. But, were are stuck with lightning that practically crawls through the air.

And, it was even less "milliseconds" before Snape cast his own spell (expelliarmus) than it was for Anakin to throw is force push at point blank and make a connection with his target causing Dooku to be blasted back.

What about Snape? He blocked a spell and cast his own in a shorter time frame, starting from a "turned around" position.

Just the time it took Snape to go from blocking to casting and then connecting is already faster than the force push we saw. From blocking to casting, it is almost instant.

This thread is dead as are any of the other magic threads like this one. I will not post in these anymore as it is futile to have any sort of objective discussion.

They WANT the force user to win. They want in one hand, then shit in the other. See which hand fills up first.

They WANT water to be wet.

They WANT the sky to be blue.

They WANT logic to be logical.

And since the Jedi/Sith are tied into the very fabric of the universe,
its logical that what ever exists in that universe is subject to them to an extent.

And thats a brown-trouser situation for the Wizards (Humans living with a universe goverened by that universe's physical laws.)

Sure, why not!!! Never mind that the wizards are faster, have far more powers, have stronger powers, can teleport at will. Yeah, that stuff means shit!!! Never mind that a wizard can kill a Jedi in less than a second, or turn them into a barfing toad, or vanish them. Yeah, weak!!!

They teleport based on spells they cast, don't they? Doesn't that take time to impliment..?

And show me the on screen feat where a wizard killed a jedi?

"Besides. A force user with precog will always see whatever they do before it happens anyway" = Qui-Gonn-Win

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They teleport based on spells they cast, don't they? Doesn't that take time to impliment..?

And show me the on screen feat where a wizard killed a jedi?

"Besides. A force user with precog will always see whatever they do before it happens anyway" = Qui-Gonn-Win

It's instantaneous.

HA.

So? Takes longer than a wizard takes casting spells.

Next question. I already covered everything, you're late for the party.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's instantaneous.

HA.

So? Takes longer than a wizard takes casting spells.

Next question. I already covered everything, you're late for the party.

Which has already be trumped long ago and in a galaxy far, far away. IF (big if) the wizard is able to beat Sith superior reaction-time and teleport before he gets electrocuted, Palpatine will be ready for him the instant he reappears, due to both Force-precog and reaction-time. So he'd appear right as lighting fries his ass.

Of course now you'll argument-shift and state that Snape will "half-fellate" and be a smoke-ball instead of teleporting. Palpatine could lightning the shit out of the smoke, thereby shattering it and I'd assume ****ing up the wizard as he's effectively been cut to pieces.

Boom and boom, once again you have nothing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's instantaneous.

HA.

So? Takes longer than a wizard takes casting spells.

Next question. I already covered everything, you're late for the party.

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You asserted that a wizard can kill a force user in less than a second with no screen feats to back it up.

Claims backed with no evidence require no disproving.

Also a wizard can be as instantaneous as he likes, but what ever he does fast will be psychically and physically pipped to the post, precisely countered and preemptively pounded upon painfully, proactively and powerfully by a perpetually pre-prepped prevalent Palpatine.

I.E. 'P' is for "pwned."

Originally posted by Robtard
Which has already be trumped long ago and in a galaxy far, far away.

IF (big if) the wizard is able to beat Sith superior reaction-time and teleport before he gets electrocuted, Palpatine will be ready for him the instant he reappears, due to both Force-precog and reaction-time. So he'd appear right as lighting fries his ass.

Wrong again. Force lightning takes a while to reach it's target. Snape apparates 100 feet away, casta a non verbal spell (like in the vid), and apparates again.

Wizards have faster reaction time than Jedi. It;s right there in the vid I posted. Stop posting what you WANT to be true and accept it.

And if Sidious catches Snape with force lightning (lulz at that, force lighting is SLOW and Snape'll be zipping around like a bumblebee), it'll go right through him.

Precog schmeecog, Snape casts spells faster than Sidious casts force attacks. If Sidious knows what Snape is gonna do, how does that help him? Didn't help him against Yoda's force push. Where was Yoda's precog when Sidious blasted him into the wall? Where was Sidious's precog when Yoda returned the favor by force pushing him over his desk? Where was Obi Wan's precog when Dooku force held then threw him across the room? Where was Vader's precog when Solo blitzed his ass at Yavin? Where was Palpatine's precog when Vader rose up and killed him? Shall I go on?

Of course now you'll argument-shift and state that Snape will "half-fellate" and be a smoke-ball instead of teleporting.

Palpatine could lightning the shit out of the smoke, thereby shattering it and I'd assume ****ing up the wizard as he's effectively been cut to pieces.

Boom and boom, once again you have nothing.

Actually, I have it all. Wizards are faster, have faster reaction time, stronger, have far more weapons, and can teleport at will. It's all right there in the vid I posted.

Once again, the evidence in the vids I posted>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your HP hate.

One more time, take notes:

Now, here are the attacks Sidious has at his disposal,and the ways Snape counters them:

1. Force choke:

A: Snape can speak in force choke. He death
spells him.
B: Snape can cast non verbal spells.
C: Snape can apparate away.
D: Snape is faster casting magic spells, so he won't
even need A. B or C.

2: Force push/pull:

A: Snape apparates out of it.
B: Snape is faster casting magic spells, he won't
need A.

3: Force lightning:

A: Snape is faster casting magic spells, He casts
avada kedavra before the force lightning
reaches him.

4: Sidious using his lightsaber:

A: Don't make me laugh. Apparition. Death spell.

Have I forgotten anything? Yeah, thought not.

Originally posted by Robtard
I.E. 'P' is for "pwned."

😂

Positively.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, it hasn't. Nothing a force user has in their power keeps a wizard from apparating. Fact.
Wrong again.

Force lightning takes a while to reach it's target. Snape apparates 100 feet away, casta a non verbal spell (like in the vid), and apparates again.

-Death or not being able to move/think due to extreme pain. Except those you mean.

-This of course is you ignoring Force-precog (again). Wizard ports, Palpatine will sense his re-appearing BEFORE it happens and the lighting is there. Beginning of the fight or a couple seconds after, wizard will ride the lightning, take your pick.

The rest of your post can be ignored and it's based on you both over-hyping the wizard powers (eg they're not Nightcrawler, dude) and downplaying to outright trying to ignore Force abilities.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm, let's see, milliseconds to cast a force attack......Hmm....It was ONE attack, and the combatants were right in each others face.

It doesn't matter how ****ing close they were *******. This is about reaction speed and attack speed. Remember? I'm trying to prove that Jedi can use their superior Force-assisted reflexes in attacking with the Force. I've shown them attacking with the force in a matter of milliseconds, ergo I win.

Snape? Harry cast a spell, Snape turned, blocked, cast a spell in return and it hit Harry. The entire sequence was under a second, and from 100 feet away.

You go from 10 feet away to 100 feet away in the space of a post. Could you wank harder please? I think Snape has a spot on his foot not covered in your diseased filth. And the ****? Did he block and cast a spell at the same time? We see him block a spell earlier in the fight and it made his wand glow. Guess what, same thing happened on this time it was in-front of Harry's face. But it only happened once. If he had blocked it and then cast a spell his wand would have glown like it did earlier AND THEN we would have seen the effects of Snapes spell seperately from the block. But we don't. We hear a long, drawn out spell sound effect and then we see a single effect. Therefore its part of the same sequence. Therefor its obvious that Snape made the spell either reflect (unlikely as that would have sliced Harry instead of put him on his ass) or Snape made Harry's magical energy backfire in his face.

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"Screaming out" an incantation is the same as bringing ones hand back to cast a force attack. Both are warnings.

Like shit they are. Try screaming out 'SECTUMSEMPRA' and do the Force attack thing with your hand. See which takes longer. Becuase even when I scream the word as quickly as I can it still takes twice as long as the hand thing.

Besides, if a Jedi has battle precog, why were the victims of the force attacks in your vid caught in them? Mwahahahahaha!!!!!!!

facepalm You know nothing about Star Wars. Force users fight by trying to block each others precog with the Force. Thats how it works. Thats why they don't block everything with perfect timing all the time in the movies.

And no, apparition has not been dealt with. Nothing, not one damn force attack is instantaneous.

Instantaneous>>>>>>>>>>>>"milliseconds."

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Apparition's not instantaneous though. 🙂

Nottomention that even if they manage to apparate they will be tracked and attacked instantly as they appear. Precog. Plus the Jedi's ability to track things with the Force as shown by Anakin chasing the assassin in AotC.

Plus there's the fact that a force user has ZERO one hit kill attacks. Zero. None. Nil.

Well I'd like to see a wizard do anything when Palpatine's zapping their ass with a few thousan volts of electricity.

So.....One hit kill attacks, INSTANT apparition, equal if not better reaction time, more powerful attacks, more attacks period.......Yeah, wizards win. Every time. Just concede, dude, I've covered every possible scenario, and Snape wins every time, quite handily. [/B]

No, Snape gets his ass fried with the Force or his head crushed by Palpatine. Its the only way this ends really

Also, looks at how insanely 'fast' Avada Kadavra is:

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Both times, at 9.06 and 2.47 it takes a good second and a half to hit targets 10 feet away. Compare it to the Clone Wars movie vid I posted with their insane dodges and I'm sure you'll agree, the killing curse has a miniscule chance of hitting.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You asserted that a wizard can kill a force user in less than a second with no screen feats to back it up.

Claims backed with no evidence require no disproving.

Also a wizard can be as instantaneous as he likes, but what ever he does fast will be psychically and physically pipped to the post, precisely countered and preemptively pounded upon painfully, proactively and powerfully by a perpetually pre-prepped prevalent Palpatine.

👆

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You asserted that a wizard can kill a force user in less than a second with no screen feats to back it up.

Claims backed with no evidence require no disproving.

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Or

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Johnny Cage: "This is where you fall down."

Also a wizard can be as instantaneous as he likes, but what ever he does fast will be psychically and physically pipped to the post, precisely countered and preemptively pounded upon painfully, proactively and powerfully by a perpetually pre-prepped prevalent Palpatine.

Yeah....Let's see, there was something else......

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Here is a scene from THBP:

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Harry is chasing Snape after Snape killed Dumbledore. At :15, Harry casts Incarcerous. Snape blocks it.

At :18, Bellatrix casts a non verbal spell that hits Harry instantly.

At :43, Harry casts sectumsempra at Snape. Snape turns, blocks the scetumsempra, and casts a non verbal spell back at Harry, knocking Harry on his back. This all happened in about one second. Snape's back was turned, Harry cast the spell, it reached Snape, Snape turns to face Harry, blocks the spell, AND cast a spell back at Harry. All in less than a second. And no, Snape did not rebound the sectumsempra back at Harry. How do we know this? Because Harry was not sliced to ribbons. [b]Snape's reaction time here is greater than any Jedi. All 4 spells in the video travel at least as fast, probably faster than blaster bolts.

Precog was fine during ROTS. What was affected was the Jedi ability to see brief glimpses of the future, as Luke did in ESB. Battle precog was faulty at best.

Verdict? Wizards>>>>>>>>>>>>Jedi, all day, every day, without fail.

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Learn it. Live it. LOVE it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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Slow.

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Faster, but trumped by the two other examples of it being slow.

Or

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Muuuch slower than a blaster bolt. Fail.

Mhm. Except that Snape instantly becomes a cloud of intangible smoke and death spells Sidious from hundreds of feet high.

Well then Palpatine traps his smokey ass in a Force bubble and dodges death spells all day long.

Not to mention IT ISN'T INTANGIBLE.

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Palpatine attacks with Force Lightning in under a second then throws Mace about a hundred feet away without moving a muscle whilst still electricuting him.