Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes Im aware of that quote. And I'd believe it all except for that fact that Palpatine actually overpowered Mace's ass right out of that window.
This directly contravenes what Lucas said.
Did you, by chance, forget how Anakin had to cut off Mace's arm first, because Sidious wasn't able to overpower Mace when he still had his lightsaber in hand? That detail is rather important, you know.
Wizards are carbon based flesh/humans.
So are Jedi. Really. It baffles me that you're really desperate enough to try that kind of bullshit, when the "facts" clearly dictate that Sidious win, right? I mean. You'd just have to mention those facts and construct an argument that results in Sidious winning. That can't be so hard, right? Well. Apparently it is, since I haven't seen anything even resembling an argument here.
What happens to all carbon based flesh/human limbs/bodyparts impacted with a lightsabre?
We understand the method of destruction involved with a lightsabre.
It can be predicted.
You do realise, that I came up with this argument, because you wanted proof that magic would work on Jedi, right? See. I do know that whenever a lifeform, inanimate object, whatever is hit by a killing curse it dies / is destroyed. That law, being rather universal, would also apply to Jedi, which you apparently wanted to question.
Got it now?
Gosh have we lost our ability to debate without aggressive E-cock posturing? You disproved nothing: hence your current stance, i guess..
Excuse me.
I've explained en detail why Sidious will not be able to simply cut Snape's head of. Maybe I have to do it just again because I'm obviously not bored by repeating stuff 10 times, until even the least intelligent spectator has gotten the point.
1) Sidious thinks about using force speed and his lightsaber to cut Snape down.
2) Snape, being mind-reading his opponent (modus operandi of him defined in "Half-blood prince"😉 reads that thought and prepares to react before Sidious has even acted.
3) Even if time moves in slow motion for Sidious once he's using burst of speed (debateable), Snape will still be gone because apparition works instantious.
And being instantious, even if Sidious would be able to predict that event, he could do jack shit about it. Then he just had the problem of not being able to predict where Snape would reappear either (because there are limitless possibilities).
Thus Sidious would be confronted with the sight of thin air where Snape had been when he thought about attacking him. No head being cut of here. Was that intelligible enough for you now, or do you need me to paint a picture?
Yes (Slow clap) I cross threaded. Doh. And you spotted it. Clever old you. And Palpatine's Precog is even above Vaders it would seem, anyway, so it matters not. 🙂
Yeah. Sidious precog is totally above Vaders. Hence he gets thrown into a freaking reactor core by the guy standing right behind him. Damn. I'd call that a pretty huge fail of his precognition there, you don't? The "Vader will become more powerful than either of us" line in "Revenge of the Sith" was also a pretty nice example of his totally uber precog given the guy ended up as a cyborg less powerful than himself. Not to forget Vader's own great move trying to flip over Obi-Wan. He foresight did tell him that he will make it, which actually happened...oh...wait.
Shall I go on, or can you admit defeat to logic and events in those fictional realities? See. I'm a rather huge SW fan and probably the most knowledgeable person in this forum when it comes to Star Wars, but there is no way Jedi or Sith would be able to win against the more powerful Wizards and Witches in the HP universe. Not because I like them more, but mainly because magic is a plot device with so many effects available, that a competent Wizard can get his ass out of almost any situation.
Just think about the following: In "Prisoner of Azkaban", Harry drops from his broom. Dumbledore stands up, says "Arresto Momentum" and Harry's fall simply stops, because momentum has been nullified. Now imagine Dumbledore casting the very same spell on any Jedi / Sith or even an army of Borg. All movements would be instantly frozen. Lightsabers? In "Goblet of Fire" Voldemort turns the masks of his Death Eaters into smoke with a wave of his hand. What stops him from doing the same to a lightsaber? What stops HP Wizards from turning their opponents into ferrets (as the fake Moody does to Draco Malfoy in "Goblet of Fire"😉?
Hmm
Borabad has actually convinced me that Harry Potter would win, due simply to the options available......
Good job Borabad, you get a thumbs up!
But he is right, on a battlefield (im takin something from Deadliest Warrior here) having options allows you to win more, being able to use a sword to slash, hack, and stab, while still killing, is better than having a sword for stabbing, or slashing.
Originally posted by PwnedEnlightenment's fun, innit?
HmmBorabad has actually convinced me that Harry Potter would win, due simply to the options available......
Good job Borabad, you get a thumbs up!
But he is right, on a battlefield (im takin something from Deadliest Warrior here) having options allows you to win more, being able to use a sword to slash, hack, and stab, while still killing, is better than having a sword for stabbing, or slashing.
Originally posted by Borbarad
You do realise, that I came up with this argument, because you wanted proof that magic would work on Jedi, right? See. I do know that whenever a lifeform, inanimate object, whatever is hit by a killing curse it dies / is destroyed. That law, being rather universal, would also apply to Jedi, which you apparently wanted to question.Got it now?
Excuse me.
I've explained en detail why Sidious will not be able to simply cut Snape's head of. Maybe I have to do it just again because I'm obviously not bored by repeating stuff 10 times, until even the least intelligent spectator has gotten the point.
1) Sidious thinks about using force speed and his lightsaber to cut Snape down.
2) Snape, being mind-reading his opponent (modus operandi of him defined in "Half-blood prince"😉 reads that thought and prepares to react before Sidious has even acted.
3) Even if time moves in slow motion for Sidious once he's using burst of speed (debateable), Snape will still be gone because apparition works instantious.And being instantious, even if Sidious would be able to predict that event, he could do jack shit about it. Then he just had the problem of not being able to predict where Snape would reappear either (because there are limitless possibilities).
Thus Sidious would be confronted with the sight of thin air where Snape had been when he thought about attacking him. No head being cut of here. Was that intelligible enough for you now, or do you need me to paint a picture?
Yeah. Sidious precog is totally above Vaders. Hence he gets thrown into a freaking reactor core by the guy standing right behind him. Damn. I'd call that a pretty huge fail of his precognition there, you don't? The "Vader will become more powerful than either of us" line in "Revenge of the Sith" was also a pretty nice example of his totally uber precog given the guy ended up as a cyborg less powerful than himself. Not to forget Vader's own great move trying to flip over Obi-Wan. He foresight did tell him that he will make it, which actually happened...oh...wait.
Shall I go on, or can you admit defeat to logic and events in those fictional realities? See. I'm a rather huge SW fan and probably the most knowledgeable person in this forum when it comes to Star Wars, but there is no way Jedi or Sith would be able to win against the more powerful Wizards and Witches in the HP universe. Not because I like them more, but mainly because magic is a plot device with so many effects available, that a competent Wizard can get his ass out of almost any situation.
Just think about the following: In "Prisoner of Azkaban", Harry drops from his broom. Dumbledore stands up, says "Arresto Momentum" and Harry's fall simply stops, because momentum has been nullified. Now imagine Dumbledore casting the very same spell on any Jedi / Sith or even an army of Borg. All movements would be instantly frozen. Lightsabers? In "Goblet of Fire" Voldemort turns the masks of his Death Eaters into smoke with a wave of his hand. What stops him from doing the same to a lightsaber? What stops HP Wizards from turning their opponents into ferrets (as the fake Moody does to Draco Malfoy in "Goblet of Fire"😉?
Almost all of those were the very same points RJ made in this thread and in others. I guess it takes a different spin to get those points across, sometimes.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Actually I have been saying the same thing for 40 pages. Difference is it's him saying it, not me.
Agreed. You made some of those very same arguments. In fact, I had to scroll up to make sure it wasn't your post I was reading because I thought I scrolled down too far and was on one of your posts again.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. "His name was [Snape]."*Passes RJ hankerchief and points to the severed head on the opposite side of the room..*
And so was his.
*Corrects the mangled Fight Club reference because it's too good to leave in that atrocious condition*
How dare you almost ruin a good joke and meme! shakefist
You're forgiven, however, because of your sexiness.
Anyway, I understand why you did not post a reply to Borbarad: most of those points were already made by RJ and you replied to those.
However, Borbarad is "new" to these parts. I do not see anything wrong with posting a link to reply to the points that have already made...that is...assuming you are not as lazy as I am. 😉
Originally posted by Borbarad
The "Revenge of the Sith" DVD commentary has George Lucas himself proclaiming that Mace overpowered Sidious. Since I trust the creator of the story more than your personal interpretation, Mace did defeat Sidious fair and square. This isn't up for debate.
I've tried and tried to convince Robtard and Sadako of their ways...but they still prefer their own personal interpretation over the creator's.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes that is all I got from you....No surprise there though.
Duel begins. Sidious has his saber up his sleeve. He has to draw the saber, ignite it, and hurl it as Snape. This will take at least one second.
Snape can apparate instantly.
See why Snape avoids the saber toss? Instant>>>>.One second.