2) Snape, being mind-reading his opponent (modus operandi of him defined in "Half-blood prince"😉 reads that thought and prepares to react before Sidious has even acted.
Snape has to cast legilimens and hit with it to utilise legilimency as per the movies.
FYI.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girthcrylaugh oh MAN you're pathetic crylaugh
Nah. As stated, Palps' Sabre is up behind Snapes head on what ever is behind him..Palps simply pulls the saber and takes of Snapes head with it on its way to him.
By the time Snape is aware of the sabre, it'll have passed through his neck. 🙂
End thread. 🙂
"Streets of London", Dude, not some room.
Snape wins. No way in hell Sidious draws his saber, ignites it and throws it befoe Snape apparates. Hell, even in your dream world scenario, Snape'll still be gone before the saber hits him.
Snape casts Oppugno on the saber and turns it on Sidious!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEHEEHEEEHEEHEEHEE!!!!!!
1. Sidious never showed that capability. We've already covered this.
If Sith had that capability, they would have used it. You're taking a screen feat and amping it 100x with nothing to back it with. "They can do it just cuz I say they can."
2. It won't be instant. It would take at least a half second to take hold and another half second to execute. Not instant.
2.46. See the ease with which he ripped that pod out of its holdings, and how quick it was? That'll be Snapes neck. One, quick twist. Hell, earlier in the scene he does the same thing with about three pods at the same time, while lifting the one he's standing on. So I'm not talking out of my ass here.
Originally posted by NephthysNot instant haermm
YouTube video2.46. See the ease with which he ripped that pod out of its holdings, and how quick it was? That'll be Snapes neck. One, quick twist. Hell, earlier in the scene he does the same thing with about three pods at the same time, while lifting the one he's standing on. So I'm not talking out of my ass here.
Also, he ripped nothing from it's holdings. Those pods are made to float away from their dockings.
Originally posted by Borbarad
God. This is so hilariously illogical in so many ways...a)
Since when is precognition fail-safe, huh?
I don't know about you, but I've seen a lot of Jedi getting killed in RotS by surprise attacks, which shouldn't happen, because of their hyper cool precog saving the day, right?
You just said it. They were SURPRISE attacks. One can even argue that some (Mundi and Secura) did sense something, but were unable to do anything about it because they were outnumbered and gunned down by blasters, which travel much faster that any HP magic.
Besides, Mace mentioned that their ability to use the force has been diminished. Yoda even said that it was hard to view the future because of the dark side clouding everything. But even that did not stop Yoda from sensing he was about to be attacked by clones
Originally posted by Borbarad
And even if you want to assume that this just happens because they didn't focus on their precog in that very moments - how do you explain people getting killed in lightsaber duels, if they could forsee any move of their opponent?
You can't be series with this arguement, can you?
Well if wizards can apparate anytime they want instantly, then why do they get killed by killing curses or even get hit with magic at all? Why was Bellatrix running from Harry Potter and then struck to the floor after she killed Sirius?
Originally posted by Borbarad
The answer is simple: Precognition can receive an overload. This is described in the novel "Darth Bane: Path of Destruction", where the sheer number of possible movements that Kas'im could use, is on the brink of overpowering Bane's precog. The point is: The more option for a next move the opponent has, the less precise the move can be predicted.
Please do not compare a lightsaber duel with shooting magic through a wand. There is, like you said, a sheer number of possible moves in a lightsaber duel. There is only one way to shoot magic out.
Originally posted by Borbarad
So how would anybody predict that they could disappear (that requires previous knowledge)
With... precog
Originally posted by BorbaradIf they reappear behind a force user, a force user would sense their presence and can react faster than a wizard can attack, especially a force user who is greatly attuned with the force like Sidious.
and, even less likely, how they will reappear in the next moment? This is, virtually, impossible through the limitations of precog.
Originally posted by BorbaradHe doesn't need to cut his head off. He can rip it off with TK. If Sidious can rip vehicle-sized senate pods from durasteel retraints instantly, he can do the same to Snape's head with far greater ease. How will Snape know to apparate if he has no clue what Sidious is about to do? Sidious can crush Snape's wind pipe with a mere thought.
Do force users think faster than average humans? No? Then how is Sidious going to cut Snape's head off?
If Snape appears behind Sidious, Sidious would sense it and use TK on him before Snape can hit him with any type of magic, since TK attacks are far faster than any HP magic attack.
Originally posted by BorbaradIt does in the movies. See Neph's post.
In the same instance that Sidious thinks about doing so, Snape is aware of that plan due to Legilimency (it doesn't require any casting - Snape and Voldemort both use it "on the fly"😉
Originally posted by Borbarad
and can simply evade that event via apparition or the famous half-apparition-flight from the movies.
Not before Sidious crushes his wind pipe with a mere thought.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Or he makes Sidious lightsaber disappear.
Sidious wouldn't need his saber though.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Or he summons a brick wall half way between him and the Sith Lord
All Sidious needs to know is where Snape is at and crush him. Vader choked admiral Ozzi to death, and there was a lot more than a brick wall that was separating them.
For all of Snapes powers and abilities, he has no defense against TK, and this is where he goes down at. As long as Snape is in Sidious' presence he will be crushed instantly.
Originally posted by BorbaradSidious can dodge a klling curse through speed.
or snipes Sidious with a killing curse.
Originally posted by BorbaradThe movie does not show how a portkey is created, does it? Or do the books tell us?
He could even turn the damn ground into a giant portkey and watch Sidious being teleported into the next sun.
Originally posted by Borbarad
There is no way that a force user is going to survive a duel with a sufficient powerful Wizard. Why? Because magic is a damn plot-device that can be used to do anything. I mean what: Voldemort managed to curse the DADA position in Hogwarts (huh?) and he was also able to tie "tracking spell" to the event of his name being spoken (WTF?). And we've seen those people playing games with space-time (tents at the Quidditch World Cup anybody? Time-turners?). Yet people here seem to think that the limitations of HP magic are those nicely colored energy beams being flung around.
Which isn't the case.
I agree with all this. A wizard from HP has far more powers and abilities than any force user can hope for. I just can not see how any wizard can escape a TK attack from a powerful force user.
Yup. 😛
Not only is Snape dead, but Palpatine is probably amusing himself right now by re-enacting the cooler scene in Cool Hand Luke using Snapes head as the ball.
Or simply force twirling it into walls, smashing it until nothing remains of the face all while doing a humourous high pitched mickey mouse voice saying "Oooooh My names Snape! And I like hitting walls with my face"
*BANG!*
"Ohhhh I really enjoyed that...I think I'll do that again..."
*BANG!!!*
"Heeeeeehhheeeeeeheehehehe I love headbutting walls 'cause Im a dead, dumb wizard."
*SMACK!!!*
😛 Hours of fun when you're with the darkside.
It beats rubber bands and paperclips round the office all day long, I guess.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You just said it. They were SURPRISE attacks. One can even argue that some (Mundi and Secura) did sense something, but were unable to do anything about it because they were outnumbered and gunned down by blasters, which travel much faster that any HP magic.
Oh cool.
His opponent just magically disappearing wouldn't surprise Sidious then? He wouldn't be surprised by the same guy reappearing wherever he wants to start throwing deadly curses at him? Are we, by chance, talking about the same guy who can't predict a freaking force push coming from the Jedi master lifting his hand right in front of him? I'm just asking, because, you know, it would seem less likely for him to predict things he's totally unfamiliar with than the most obvious stuff somebody could throw at him.
Assuming that Sidious can predict Snape's moves accurately, makes absolutely no sense at all.
Besides, Mace mentioned that their ability to use the force has been diminished. Yoda even said that it was hard to view the future because of the dark side clouding everything. But even that did not stop Yoda from sensing he was about to be attacked by clones
You realize that this doesn't affect the Sith and I've listed serveral Dark Siders totally failing with prediction. What did you do? Ignore it? Right. That seems to be the case.
You can't be series with this arguement, can you?Well if wizards can apparate anytime they want instantly, then why do they get killed by killing curses or even get hit with magic at all? Why was Bellatrix running from Harry Potter and then struck to the floor after she killed Sirius?
Wow.
Did you even spent one split second with research about the HP universe before typing this down? The Ministry of Magic is protected against Apparition, hence the Wizards working there have to use other methods of getting in (as shown in "Deathly Hallows - part 1"😉. Thus nobody could really apparete into the building, which is why they use "half apparition" in the movies and actually walk into the room in the book.
That aside: Just count how often they are actually hit by spells compared to not getting hit (movies and books alike).
Please do not compare a lightsaber duel with shooting magic through a wand. There is, like you said, a sheer number of possible moves in a lightsaber duel. There is only one way to shoot magic out.
Would you please be so kind and read my posts before replying to them? That would be awesome, because you could actually grace us with an answer that makes sense. I was talking about apparition. The sheer number of possible locations Snape might teleport to is virtually unlimited which kind of trumps the possible moves one can do from a lightsaber being held at position X.
With... precogIf they reappear behind a force user, a force user would sense their presence and can react faster than a wizard can attack, especially a force user who is greatly attuned with the force like Sidious.
Really?
Did you, by chance, read one of the books or watch the movies? Let me give you a hint. Have a look at Exhibit A:
Watch carefully at 4:18, where George and Fred appear behind Harry.
As you may see, one appears with his hand on Harry's shoulder while the other is looking exactly at Harry. I think when Snape decides to apparate to a spot behind Sidious and deathspells him, Sidious wouldn't have too much time to react to it, given with what kind of speed the spells in the HP movies actually move (see first page of this thread Snape VS Harry or below).
He doesn't need to cut his head off. He can rip it off with TK. If Sidious can rip vehicle-sized senate pods from durasteel retraints instantly, he can do the same to Snape's head with far greater ease. How will Snape know to apparate if he has no clue what Sidious is about to do? Sidious can crush Snape's wind pipe with a mere thought.
Welcome to the happy world of movie feats. Exhibit B:
Have a close look at 1:34 where one of the Death Eaters stops a moving train with a mere gesture. Now go and find me equal level telekinesis being demonstrated in the Star Wars movies.
After you have done so, you can come back and explain to me how crushing Snape's wind pipe will work instantly (from what I have seen in the movies, it requires some time to choke people to death when Vader tries this). Not only is Snape one of the most accomplished healers in the damn series, mending a cut-in-half Draco Malfoy within seconds, he can still perform lethal spells without incantation. And he can probably just block TK.
If Snape appears behind Sidious, Sidious would sense it and use TK on him before Snape can hit him with any type of magic, since TK attacks are far faster than any HP magic attack.
Really? Have we seen the same movies? Have a look at Exhibit C:
Sidious starts firing lightning at 0:35 - the lightning hits Yoda at 0:37. Almost two seconds to hit a target less than five metres away. Yoda's force push, in turn, needs three frames to hit Sidious. Just again, as a contrast, Exhibit D:
Let me check:
- Bellatrix casts a non-verbal spell. It takes four frames (4/25 seconds) and Hagrids hut explodes violently.
- Harry fires a spell. In the third frame after it is fired (3/25 seconds) it is already blocked by Snape.
- Bellatrix fires a spell at Harry, it hits him three frames later (3/25 seconds).
- Snape fires a spell that hits Harry in the very next frame (1/25 second, you can even see the wand glowing and the spell hitting Harry in one single frame).
So, actually, those spells move far faster than force lightning or a force push in the SW movies. And, just to totally disprove your little idea, have a look at Exhibit E:
Yeah. We really see Dumbledore setting the damn wardrobe on fire with a mere thought and without even looking at it. Now imagine the same happening to Sidious clothing.
It does in the movies. See Neph's post.
It does not, which you would be aware of, if you'd ever seen "Half-Blood prince". After Slughorns party, Snape attempts to interrogate Draco, and when the latter refuses to speak, Snape suddenly mentions that he's attempt to conceal something, meaning that he was trying to use legilimency on him, but failed, because Draco used occlumency. In the book, Snape outright mentions that somebody must have taught Draco occlumency on the same occassion.
Not before Sidious crushes his wind pipe with a mere thought.
See above. Less powerful Wizard shown to stop a moving train with a gesture.
All Sidious needs to know is where Snape is at and crush him. Vader choked admiral Ozzi to death, and there was a lot more than a brick wall that was separating them.For all of Snapes powers and abilities, he has no defense against TK, and this is where he goes down at. As long as Snape is in Sidious' presence he will be crushed instantly.
Oh, really?
Last time I checked, force choke required line of sight to the target, even if that is only archived via a video stream. And then you're quite wrong with the "no defense against TK" nonsense, as can be seen above.
Sidious can dodge a klling curse through speed.
Really? I think that's quite debateable, provided that the only instance of force speed shown in the movies is still slower than Harry Potter spells flying around. And even if Sidious could dodge killing curses (well...why not), could he also dodge room sized explosions (used in "Deadly Hallows"😉, magical chains being thrown at him (also "Deadly Hallows"😉 or the absolutely invisible Imperius curse being cast on him (see "Goblet of Fire"😉? I doubt it.
The movie does not show how a portkey is created, does it? Or do the books tell us?
Dumbledore does that in the end of "Order of the Phoenix". He simply points his spell at an object and says "Portus".
I agree with all this. A wizard from HP has far more powers and abilities than any force user can hope for. I just can not see how any wizard can escape a TK attack from a powerful force user.
They can predict it with Ligilimency, which can be used without actually casting the spell, and they can also counter it with their own TK apparently. Not to mention that "using TK" appears to take more time than "firing spells" which kinds of put the force user into a position of disadvantage, since they need to focus on force powers, while HP Wizards have been shown to fire spells while flying around ("Deathly Hallows"😉.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh cool.
His opponent just magically disappearing wouldn't surprise Sidious then? He wouldn't be surprised by the same guy reappearing wherever he wants to start throwing deadly curses at him? Are we, by chance, talking about the same guy who can't predict a freaking force push coming from the Jedi master lifting his hand right in front of him? I'm just asking, because, you know, it would seem less likely for him to predict things he's totally unfamiliar with than the most obvious stuff somebody could throw at him.Assuming that Sidious can predict Snape's moves accurately, makes absolutely no sense at all.
You realize that this doesn't affect the Sith and I've listed serveral Dark Siders totally failing with prediction. What did you do? Ignore it? Right. That seems to be the case.
Wow.
Did you even spent one split second with research about the HP universe before typing this down? The Ministry of Magic is protected against Apparition, hence the Wizards working there have to use other methods of getting in (as shown in "Deathly Hallows - part 1"😉. Thus nobody could really apparete into the building, which is why they use "half apparition" in the movies and actually walk into the room in the book.That aside: Just count how often they are actually hit by spells compared to not getting hit (movies and books alike).
Would you please be so kind and read my posts before replying to them? That would be awesome, because you could actually grace us with an answer that makes sense. I was talking about apparition. The sheer number of possible locations Snape might teleport to is virtually unlimited which kind of trumps the possible moves one can do from a lightsaber being held at position X.
Really?
Did you, by chance, read one of the books or watch the movies? Let me give you a hint. Have a look at Exhibit A:Watch carefully at 4:18, where George and Fred appear behind Harry.
As you may see, one appears with his hand on Harry's shoulder while the other is looking exactly at Harry. I think when Snape decides to apparate to a spot behind Sidious and deathspells him, Sidious wouldn't have too much time to react to it, given with what kind of speed the spells in the HP movies actually move (see first page of this thread Snape VS Harry or below).
Welcome to the happy world of movie feats. Exhibit B:
Have a close look at 1:34 where one of the Death Eaters stops a moving train with a mere gesture. Now go and find me equal level telekinesis being demonstrated in the Star Wars movies.
After you have done so, you can come back and explain to me how crushing Snape's wind pipe will work instantly (from what I have seen in the movies, it requires some time to choke people to death when Vader tries this). Not only is Snape one of the most accomplished healers in the damn series, mending a cut-in-half Draco Malfoy within seconds, he can still perform lethal spells without incantation. And he can probably just block TK.
Really? Have we seen the same movies? Have a look at Exhibit C:
Sidious starts firing lightning at 0:35 - the lightning hits Yoda at 0:37. Almost two seconds to hit a target less than five metres away. Yoda's force push, in turn, needs three frames to hit Sidious. Just again, as a contrast, Exhibit D:
Let me check:
- Bellatrix casts a non-verbal spell. It takes four frames (4/25 seconds) and Hagrids hut explodes violently.
- Harry fires a spell. In the third frame after it is fired (3/25 seconds) it is already blocked by Snape.
- Bellatrix fires a spell at Harry, it hits him three frames later (3/25 seconds).
- Snape fires a spell that hits Harry in the very next frame (1/25 second, you can even see the wand glowing and the spell hitting Harry in one single frame).So, actually, those spells move far faster than force lightning or a force push in the SW movies. And, just to totally disprove your little idea, have a look at Exhibit E:
Yeah. We really see Dumbledore setting the damn wardrobe on fire with a mere thought and without even looking at it. Now imagine the same happening to Sidious clothing.
It does not, which you would be aware of, if you'd ever seen "Half-Blood prince". After Slughorns party, Snape attempts to interrogate Draco, and when the latter refuses to speak, Snape suddenly mentions that he's attempt to conceal something, meaning that he was trying to use legilimency on him, but failed, because Draco used occlumency. In the book, Snape outright mentions that somebody must have taught Draco occlumency on the same occassion.
See above. Less powerful Wizard shown to stop a moving train with a gesture.
Oh, really?
Last time I checked, force choke required line of sight to the target, even if that is only archived via a video stream. And then you're quite wrong with the "no defense against TK" nonsense, as can be seen above.Really? I think that's quite debateable, provided that the only instance of force speed shown in the movies is still slower than Harry Potter spells flying around. And even if Sidious could dodge killing curses (well...why not), could he also dodge room sized explosions (used in "Deadly Hallows"😉, magical chains being thrown at him (also "Deadly Hallows"😉 or the absolutely invisible Imperius curse being cast on him (see "Goblet of Fire"😉? I doubt it.
Dumbledore does that in the end of "Order of the Phoenix". He simply points his spell at an object and says "Portus".
They can predict it with Ligilimency, which can be used without actually casting the spell, and they can also counter it with their own TK apparently. Not to mention that "using TK" appears to take more time than "firing spells" which kinds of put the force user into a position of disadvantage, since they need to focus on force powers, while HP Wizards have been shown to fire spells while flying around ("Deathly Hallows"😉.
Win, win, all win.
So refreshing to see someone like myself (Loves SW, but acknowledges HP magic and it's awesome power.)
Well said, dude.
And you hadn't learned a thing about it since then, obviously. 🙂
Also your maths are shit. I was born before SW.
Was taken to see it when it came out, (Although to be fair I dont remember that, but I remember the 1979 reshowings at my local theatre....)
So technically, thats more bullshit statements from you again. 🙂
I do believe that its possible that you saw Forbidden Planet when it first came out and you in your old age confused the titles. 😂