Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No he didn't.He paraphrased a sentence, and said he didn't want the feat stripped from Zeus... even with a confirmed amp. lol
He came out and clarified what Galactus' statement was intended to mean which was that Zeus was only slightly above an average Skyfather and wasn't accessing the full power of Mikaboshi or some shit like other people have tried to claim.
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I don't see how him paraphrasing changes the meaning of the sentence. Seriously.
He didn't want it stripped from Zeus because the amp was not major.
And it should be noted that either Pak or Lente came out and pointed out that Zeus is weaker without his thunderbolt which Athena possesses. Have to find that quote.
How does "No mere skyfather could survive that" actually mean "You're a little bit stronger than a skyfather, but you survived unscathed"?
And how does a paraphrase mean that's it definite proof anyway?
Everything goes under question after an amp.
Which is relevant why anyway? Even following what you said as absolute proof, 'Zeus is a little stronger than normal'.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
How does "No mere skyfather could survive that" actually mean "You're a little bit stronger than a skyfather, but you survived unscathed"?
And how does a paraphrase mean that's it definite proof anyway?Everything goes under question after an amp.
Which is relevant why anyway? Even following what you said as absolute proof, 'Zeus is a little stronger than normal'.
What you just said and what was actually said have two completely different implications.
Galactus: No....no mere Skyfather could so easily shrug off the power of Galactus.
Translation: A Skyfather shouldn't so easily shrug off Galactus' attack.
Shrugging off and surviving have two very different meanings.
Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely being augmented by the Chaos King.
Once again: Galactus said no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his power. Pak paraphrasing stated that this was Galactus saying Zeus is slightly more powerful than an average Skyfather.
Amusingly enough, Pak used Galactus' statement as confirmation Zeus was slightly amped.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusafter that blast...we never see ares legs again
I thought that was Ares just getting up from being blasted with his lower body being obscured by the mist created from the blast.Why the hell would his upper body be that much more durable than his lower one?
I'd need writer confirmation or additional evidence for me to be swayed into that camp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusi think athena got comepletely destroyed also, she was right in front of ares in the previeus scan
I thought that was Ares just getting up from being blasted with his lower body being obscured by the mist created from the blast.Why the hell would his upper body be that much more durable than his lower one?
I'd need writer confirmation or additional evidence for me to be swayed into that camp.
He didn't say that. Here's his entire statement regarding Zeus.
Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3, was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”Van Lente: Greg?
Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.
Originally posted by Starscream M
after that blast...we never see ares legs again
I'm not about to check if we get a peek off Ares' toes but I am going to tell you it's asinine to assume Ares has no lower body just because the art panels focus on his face because his talking.
If you get confirmation from Pak, I'll happily concede, but so far the evidence is not....compelling.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i think athena got comepletely destroyed also, she was right in front of ares in the previeus scan
Absence of evidence is not in itself evidence. And we also see Athena right after Hercules kills Zeus.
But yea, I'm done for today.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYa, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway? What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
What you just said and what was actually said have two completely different implications.Galactus: No....no mere Skyfather could [b]so easily shrug off
the power of Galactus.Translation: A Skyfather shouldn't so easily shrug off Galactus' attack.
Shrugging off and surviving have two very different meanings.
What Galactus actually said very easily translates into what Pak said.
Once again: Galactus said no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his power. Pak paraphrasing stated that this was Galactus saying Zeus is slightly more powerful than an average Skyfather.
Amusingly enough, Pak used Galactus' statement as confirmation Zeus was slightly amped. [/B]
He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. The guy just seemed like he was trying to pinpoint what he was talking about. God damn literal fans.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusits not that hard to check...took me 10 sec
I'm not about to check if we get a peek off Ares' toes but I am going to tell you it's asinine to assume Ares has no lower body just because the art panels focus on his face because his talking.
its odd that ares lower body is not shown at all following that attack
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway? What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
Also, going by this, why would Galactus assume the blast was going to kill the Gods then?He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. The guy just seemed like he was trying to pinpoint what he was talking about. God damn literal fans.
What I am getting from galactus statement is...
a skyfather shouldn't die from the blast but they also shouldn't be able to tank it in the fasion that zeus tanked it.
Now if he would have said "why are you still standing OR living after my attack" THEN you would have an argument.
^F*cking Carver understands it.
I am dissapoint.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway?
Haha how? Galactus said that no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his attack. How in the hell is that worse than Galactus saying that no Skyfather should survive his blast? Do you not fully understand the meaning and difference between the two statements?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
Also, going by this, why would Galactus assume the blast was going to kill the Gods then?
I don't give a shit if you think it's ridiculous. That being said, from everything I've seen, Galactus meant that although an average Skyfather would withstand the attack, he wouldn't be completely unphased by it.
Because Galactus is can be defined as arrogant at times? Pak wrote being flabbergasted. His Galactus being full of shit would hardly surprise me.
I've seen everyone from the Wasp -albeit he was starving- to Hulk to Thor surviving his eye beams. A Skyfather tanking it without any visible damage is where you draw the line?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. This is why interviews aren't canon.
Lol at you trying to debate the clarification given by the f*cking writer of the story. No they're not cannon, but his word sure as hell has a lot more weight than yours when it comes to a book he wrote. This isn't f*cking Bendis where we should automatically assume what he says is bullshit.
Originally posted by Starscream M
its not that hard to check...took me 10 secits odd that ares lower body is not shown at all following that attack
Not odd at all. Ares was being used as a narrative tool.
I think we only see a glimpse of his lower body once throughout the entire issue.
I don't think we ever saw Balder's lower body. It doesn't mean it's not their.
This argument is silly. You need to prove that his lower body was obliterated. The artist focusing primarily on Ares' head because he spent most of the issue talking isn't enough evidence.
Now I'm out.
