Starkiller (TFU II) vs Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The Star Wars databank says that Yoda culdnt beat Dooku on Geonosis.

Just saying 🙂

Yoda's page: "Yoda and Dooku engaged in battle. First, their powers in the Force were put to test, as Dooku attempted to crush the tiny Jedi Master with hurled debris. Yoda easily deflected such assaults, and even repulsed Dooku's Force lightning attacks. The contest came down to a duel of lightsabers. In a climactic battle, the two master combatants displayed amazing speed and agility. Yoda, empowered by the Force, leaped through the air, twirling and battering at Dooku's defenses. Dooku only managed to escape by using the Force to once again jeopardize Anakin and Obi-Wan. Knowing that Yoda's nobility would buy him time, Dooku fled as the ancient Jedi Master saved his younger compatriots."

Dooku's page: "The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled."

EDIT, even better, Obi-Wans page: "Finally, Jedi Master Yoda arrived and attempted to stop Dooku. Though Yoda's withering lightsaber attack nearly stopped the evil Jedi, Dooku was able to distract the diminutive master by endangering Obi-Wan and Anakin with a fallen pillar torn free by the Force. Yoda used his telekinetic abilities to stop the pillar before it crushed the two younger Jedi, and Dooku was able to escape."

DP will only say that "just because Dooku almost died, doesn't mean Yoda can kill him."

Of course DP's also an idiot...

Ah I see, I was thinking of the passage from Dooku's SW profile

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

Of course DP's also an idiot...

Oh no Lucien, it was my life long ambition to get your approval.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah I see, I was thinking of the passage from Dooku's SW profile

Oh no Lucien, it was my life long ambition to get your approval.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I know, and you failed. Also Ignored.

I think it's best that everyone would just put him on their ignore list.

The system sucks though, you can still see when they post something and you always get the "This person is on your Ignore List." text instead of just nothing. I'd rather not acknowledge his existence on this forum at all.

Oh no im on ignore?! You guys are both seriously sad

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
I think it's best that everyone would just put him on their ignore list.

The system sucks though, you can still see when they post something and you always get the "This person is on your Ignore List." text instead of just nothing. I'd rather not acknowledge his existence on this forum at all.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It was especially annoying with HWKN. He posted so much at one point, half of every page was "This person is on your Ignore List." I'll take DP off if he leaves/gets banned.

At least HWKN knew how to use the edit button. DP loves to triple post...

LOL!!!! Il leave you muppets! Dnt wana irritate people by triple posting, and GOD FORBID challenging their veiws??!!

Besides ive decided its pointless debating EU stuff now. It all a load of inconsistent nonesense written by different authors. Only Lucas's vision counts as far as im concerned.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres a source that directly states that Starkiller is no match for the Emperor.

That's just hyperbole though, same as in guidebooks. We go by feats here.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I saw Palpatine holding back. What did you see?

I saw Palpatine getting his full power lightning pushed back until Galen was close enough to grapple with him, and then howling in pain when his own lightning zapped him.

Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
If Lucas tells me Starkiller is no match then I'm fine

If Lucas says it you should take it with a pince of salt. Remember this is the one who said "Han shot first."

That's just hyperbole though

Nah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah.

Fixed it for you.

Seriously though, it's like how the handbooks say Batman is the best martial artist on DC Earth, but in the actual comics there are a bunch of people better than him (Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Shiva etc).

We go by what the comics (novels, movies etc) themselves show.

Problem with that is that unlike the handbooks, the comics and novels are completely up for interpretation. Maybe fighter A only bat fighter B because Fighter B was having an off day? Maybe Fighter B was just cocky, or maybe he lost because the plot needed him to lose.

That's why we have these out of universe sources in the first place, to clarify things.

Well no actually. Official sources > Your interpretation of events.

'As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.'

Originally posted by Nephthys

Anyway Starkiller in an ungodly stomp.

Hmmm.

I would Suggest DN Luke but...

you know, "Ultimately Starkiller was no match for Darth Sidious" could mean on that day, or just BARELY not a match. It doesn't mean Sidious >>>> Starkiller.

Imo, being 'no match' for someone implies that its an epic stomp. To take the term literally, it means that you aren't even a worth a 'match' (or to seriously compete with) becuase it's so obvious that you'd lose.

edit: Huh, I didn't see Blax's post before. I'm not talking to you Blax, I'm talking to monkey.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Imo, being 'no match' for someone implies that its an epic stomp. To take the term literally, it means that you aren't even a worth a 'match' (or to seriously compete with) becuase it's so obvious that you'd lose.

edit: Huh, I didn't see Blax's post before. I'm not talking to you Blax, I'm talking to monkey.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Imo, being 'no match' for someone implies that its an epic stomp. To take the term literally, it means that you aren't even a worth a 'match' (or to seriously compete with) becuase it's so obvious that you'd lose.

edit: Huh, I didn't see Blax's post before. I'm not talking to you Blax, I'm talking to monkey.

See, to use it literally, no match simply means "isn't matched." So if you lift 800 lbs, and I can only lift 799, I cannot match you. I am no match for you in that case, and its the difference of only a pound.

However in game even Sidious admits that Starkiller was always meant to be the one to take him down and was only stopped by Kota. I don't think Sidious would throw a fight since he had no reason to other than to fully turn Starkiller.

Throwing Fight vs Mace = To turn Anakin to the Dark Side

Asking Anakin to kill him in the Chancellor's Office = To get him doubting the Jedi and to offer his teachings.

note that he did not try the same with Luke Skywalker in ROTJ because he refused to kill Vader...Starkiller essentially does the same and Palpatine would have KILLED Skywalker for his "Lack of Vision". I have no other reason than to believe that Sidious would have tried his best to kill Starkiller since it's under the same circumstances which Starkiller held his own against Sidious until he was drawn into a Stalemate against Palpatine with the lightning.

That's my opinion.

(DS Ending is Non-Canon so don't pull that into argument)