Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lulz at bringing up Wolverine. Probably Thor's lowest speed showing. Definitely the lowest in the last three decades.No one is going to argue Majestic can cut Thor, but Thor has plenty of defensive capabilities. Dodging and blocking being the first.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bill has never defeated Thor. Bill is plenty fast (Points to the recent Surfer fight where they were moving at light speed I believe). His skill has never been touched upon as far as I know. Either way, a fight between two bricks -with one most likely keeping to the ground- rarely ends up being about speed, and simply about physical strength. It'd be the two just trading punches with some skill thrown in for Thor and speed for Majestros.If you want to play the speed card, I can play the versatility/power card.
Considering all factors, there is no way Thor can take on Majestros in pure h2h. When the lines of skill are blurred out. Majstros still edges out in strength, and trumps him in speed. To make matters worse, he can eat a punch as good as he can dish it out, makes it an easy pick.
Originally posted by "Id"
Come on now!? srsly Thor isnt exactly known for his temendous speed. I dont see how that equates to his lowest speed showing, when he is rutienly operating at those speeds.
Granted he can attain higher velocites, yet he is not approaching the likes of the Majestros.
There's no doubt that Thor isn't consistently fast but Majestro's speed is definitely something the Odinson can handle one way or another in a fight. People love bringing up Thor's lower end showings but forget to mention that when facing against speedy characters in his tier, he survives.
The one time speed was shown to give a peer a notable edge was against Gladiator, and he specifically preoccupied Thor. Even then, it was shown that Thor could react to his movements, IIRC, he swung his hammer twice before Gladiator reached him.
I have no doubt that he'll be shown as the faster of the two if speed is brought up (If he isn't, I'd have a problem with it), but he isn't going to fly in and slice Thor to pieces. That's silly. Mjolnir is more than a foil for his blade.
Originally posted by "Id"
Naw. Bill deffeated, Thor in a h2h combat. Ever soo slightly but won none the less.
Bill didn't defeat Thor in hand to hand. Not in the regular sense. They stalemated, but Bill recovered first due to the environment, then soon collapsed again. That's an important distinction to make. especially in such a place. For example, on a forum, it'd count as a stalemate.
He also admitted that even though he was lucky, he could never take a contest so close in any neutral environment.
Originally posted by "Id"
Bringing up Thor's versatility is pointless at this point, since this scenario is minus Thor's mallet.
Well, since I don't know what whether I was initially referring to scenario 2 or 3 I can't delve into it too much.
Thor is still has power/versatility (Less so on the versatility if we count Majestic's ability to project energy) advantage even without Mjolnir to balance out Majestic's speed. But I'm hesitant to use that as an argument as the two will likely brawl it out.
Originally posted by "Id"
Considering all factors, there is no way Thor can take on Majestros in pure h2h.
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Thor can definitely beat Majestic in a hand to hand encounter. He might not be the favorite for a majority, but if you don't think he can even take him, then I call bullshit. Maybe we have definitions of take at the moment.
Originally posted by "Id"
When the lines of skill are blurred out. Majstros still edges out in strength, and trumps him in speed. To make matters worse, he can eat a punch as good as he can dish it out, makes it an easy pick.
Let's not pretend we can say for any certainty which of these two are stronger. Majestic speed is definitely his biggest trump card here, assuming it's used. As someone who I'd guess has read up on Majestic, you realize that he slugs it out mostly like all elite strong men who fight their peers.
It's far from easy. I don't want to go into extremes (Which I may have been guilty of last year), I'd wager on a stalemate as the two are physical peers with each having different advantages. If Thor fights purely like a brick, and Majestic utilizes his advantage, then the Kheran wins (You can't just ignore his speed advantage), I'm guessing that's what you wanted to hear. It's far from easy though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's no doubt that Thor isn't consistently fast but Majestro's speed is definitely something the Odinson can handle one way or another in a fight. People love bringing up Thor's lower end showings but forget to mention that when facing against speedy characters in his tier, he survives.The one time speed was shown to give a peer a notable edge was against Gladiator, and he specifically preoccupied Thor. Even then, it was shown that Thor could react to his movements, IIRC, he swung his hammer twice before Gladiator reached him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bill didn't defeat Thor in hand to hand. Not in the regular sense. They stalemated, but Bill recovered first due to the environment, then soon collapsed again. That's an important distinction to make. especially in such a place. For example, on a forum, it'd count as a stalemate.He also admitted that even though he was lucky, he could never take a contest so close in any neutral environment.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor is still has power/versatility (Less so on the versatility if we count Majestic's ability to project energy) advantage even without Mjolnir to balance out Majestic's speed. But I'm hesitant to use that as an argument as the two will likely brawl it out.
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Thor can definitely beat Majestic in a hand to hand encounter. He might not be the favorite for a majority, but if you don't think he can even take him, then I call bullshit. Maybe we have definitions of take at the moment.
But than I go back, and find that hard to conceive. How do you cut off the movement, to a character that can thunder clap weather anomalies away, and move planets?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Let's not pretend we can say for any certainty which of these two are stronger. Majestic speed is definitely his biggest trump card here, assuming it's used. As someone who I'd guess has read up on Majestic, you realize that he slugs it out mostly like all elite strong men who fight their peers.It's far from easy. I don't want to go into extremes (Which I may have been guilty of last year), I'd wager on a stalemate as the two are physical peers with each having different advantages. If Thor fights purely like a brick, and Majestic utilizes his advantage, then the Kheran wins (You can't just ignore his speed advantage), I'm guessing that's what you wanted to hear. It's far from easy though.
i am kinda tired of this majestic myth, i went to his respect thread and looked at his fights and there is nothing impressive there, all his fights are simple brawls going blow for blow and he never defeated anyone legit to say he can defeat thor as easy as people say
majestic got one shotted by superman... i dont see superman one shotting thor, also if i compare both at there best then thor has the better damage soak and durability overall , and as i said about the skills part Lol at majestic being the herald batman he never presented any of those skills, only time he was even mentioned to be a good fighter was some arc where they show him doing some martial arts but thats about it, he is always going blow for blow or using his heat vision and he lost many fights to some no name aliens.
as for the topic?
1.Majestic
2.Thor
3.Thor
Originally posted by "Id"
This only lets us know that Thor would eat a few clean hits, before he can land his. That leaves much to be desired.
It lets us know that Thor can handle speed just fine when he has to. Majestic might be able to get a slash in that Thor can't counter if he engages him in close combat but it's not going to be game ending or anything.
I think Thor's history has made that clear and Mjolnir is more than a sufficient foil for his blade.
Originally posted by "Id"
Even if you want to call it a draw. Majestros has advantages over Bill. These advantages cant be ignored, if we use Bill as a point of reference.
It was a draw. Bill's endurance is rejuvenated by heat so he was able to recover for like literally 2 minutes before collapsing again and it was pretty obvious that if Odin hadn't rigged the contest in his favor, he wouldn't have won.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning here. Bill was able to recover first because of a specific advantage that Majestic wouldn't possess, how does that affect this fight?
Majestic is faster than either of them, is that what you mean? That's true but referencing Bill wouldn't be in your best interest as he illustrated against Surfer and Stardust that speed isn't something that Asgardian's are unable to handle.
Originally posted by "Id"
Nobody is claiming Majestros will walk him down. I certainly am not. In all likely hood, all encounters would be hard fought. But considering what Majestros bringing to field, its hard for me to conceive Thor could garnish more than say 3 victories out 10 random encounters. Thats if he can cut off his movements, and pin him down.
Majestic has a speed advantage, which might be enough to give him an edge in a hand to hand encounter but it's not going to be portrayed to be more potent than Superman's, Surfer's, Gladiator's, Sentry's, Hyperion's etc. People are so comfortable acknowledging Thor's lower end but the higher end showings are continuously ignored.
An unarmed battle between Thor/Majestic will go quite similarly to his fight with Void Spartan. If Thor starts using his God of Thunder powers to balance out the speed advantage, picture the encounter with Union or battles with Hellspoint.
No more than 3/10? Buddy, if Majestic wins, it's going to be like 6/10.
Originally posted by "Id"
But than I go back, and find that hard to conceive. How do you cut off the movement, to a character that can thunder clap weather anomalies away, and move planets?
Just ask Surfer.
Originally posted by "Id"
Its an old, and tired phrase. But speed kills. Regardless if Thor fights like a slugger, or a tactician. Majestros is written out to be tactician, I am factoring in this encounter with Thor placing his punches together.
It can, but I find that people on forums seem to browse speed sections of respect threads more than the battle sections, which ends up with speed advantages being exaggerated.
If Thor fights like a tactician, it'll be a large difference maker, make no mistake.
Originally posted by akhenaten
i am kinda tired of this majestic myth, i went to his respect thread and looked at his fights and there is nothing impressive there, all his fights are simple brawls going blow for blow and he never defeated anyone legit to say he can defeat thor as easy as people saymajestic got one shotted by superman... i dont see superman one shotting thor, also if i compare both at there best then thor has the better damage soak and durability overall , and as i said about the skills part Lol at majestic being the herald batman he never presented any of those skills, only time he was even mentioned to be a good fighter was some arc where they show him doing some martial arts but thats about it, he is always going blow for blow or using his heat vision and he lost many fights to some no name aliens.
as for the topic?
1.Majestic
2.Thor
3.Thor
It's true that Majestic doesn't have a comparable battle record to someone like say Thor, as a whole his either stalemated or lost to named peers and higher in straight up encounters from what I remember (Barring the World End stuff, heard he had some decent showings against the WildCats but I only flipped through it), but he's still a very potent High Herald. Anyone who thinks Majestic is beating Thor easily is ignorant.
Dream War was an outlier. It's also not cannon to the real Justice League.
I agree, calling Majestic the Batman of High heralds is a bit too far.
i dont get it why should majestic get any majority over thor in H2H? what feats does he have???? thor defeated all the top dogs in H2H, who did majestic beat? he got tooled by some no name aliens, and the fights he does win its always a blow for blow brawl that looks like a drunk bar fight, thor is more skilled than him and the better fighter overall and if you think speed is a factor than how can thor fight with speedsters all the time?? just because thor doesnt fly circles around the earth or doing picnics in space doesnt mean he doesnt have the same speed his fights prove he HAS
Originally posted by akhenaten
i dont get it why should majestic get any majority over thor in H2H? what feats does he have???? thor defeated all the top dogs in H2H, who did majestic beat? he got tooled by some no name aliens, and the fights he does win its always a blow for blow brawl that looks like a drunk bar fight, thor is more skilled than him and the better fighter overall and if you think speed is a factor than how can thor fight with speedsters all the time?? just because thor doesnt fly circles around the earth or doing picnics in space doesnt mean he doesnt have the same speed his fights prove he HAS
Like whO?
1.) Majestic. On the fence about this scenario, though.
2.) Thor.
3.) Majestic.
My opinion: Majestic's speed (can perceive/react by the nanosecond and proccess billions of bits of information simultaneously) + strength (shouldn't have to elaborate) + his 'reality-altering' energy vision, give him the edge.
Majestic's sword is an awesome piece of weaponry, and i have no doubt it could easily flay Thor, but it has nowhere near the versatility of Mjolnir (hence my 'swayable' opinion about the first scenario.) However, a sword that can literally cut through anything in the hands of a Superman-level fella who moves by the nanosecond, is certainly still a threat--Mjolnir or not.
Originally posted by akhenaten
i dont get it why should majestic get any majority over thor in H2H? what feats does he have???? thor defeated all the top dogs in H2H, who did majestic beat? he got tooled by some no name aliens, and the fights he does win its always a blow for blow brawl that looks like a drunk bar fight, thor is more skilled than him and the better fighter overall and if you think speed is a factor than how can thor fight with speedsters all the time?? just because thor doesnt fly circles around the earth or doing picnics in space doesnt mean he doesnt have the same speed his fights prove he HAS
I understand the reasoning behind Majestic winning against Thor (If they were to slug it out, Thor's the favorite imho) in hand to hand, he is faster.
It's true that like most elite strong men he usually just slugs it out but his advantage isn't something that we can completely ignore. Thor's speed weakness is overrated, at least when it comes to peers but you can't put him on par with Majestic. He doesn't have the pure raw showings, except one or two, barring battle based feats.
Thor's hand to hand record isn't exactly perfect either.
I think it's a split, maybe edge to Majestic. Thor isn't likely to use his energy based powers without Mjolnir but he certainly can.
Originally posted by akhenatenRegarding H2H.
i dont get it why should majestic get any majority over thor in H2H? what feats does he have???? thor defeated all the top dogs in H2H, who did majestic beat? he got tooled by some no name aliens, and the fights he does win its always a blow for blow brawl that looks like a drunk bar fight, thor is more skilled than him and the better fighter overall and if you think speed is a factor than how can thor fight with speedsters all the time?? just because thor doesnt fly circles around the earth or doing picnics in space doesnt mean he doesnt have the same speed his fights prove he HAS
Quick Silver tagged him a few times, before Thor responded. The same with Sentry. He ate a few hits, before he lands his.
Members are not aproaching (Well with the blades maybe), hey look speed blitz he is done. Its he will take a few, before he lands his. Only its someone with a physical might that measures up to him.
Thats what members are brining up. When he faces someone that can take it, as good as he dish out, and you factor in his speed. Much is left to be desired for Thor.
Originally posted by Galan007
1.) Majestic. On the fence about this scenario, though.
2.) Thor.
3.) Majestic.My opinion: Majestic's speed (can perceive/react by the nanosecond and proccess billions of bits of information simultaneously) + strength (shouldn't have to elaborate) + his 'reality-altering' energy vision, give him the edge.
Majestic's sword is an awesome piece of weaponry, and i have no doubt it could easily flay Thor, but it has nowhere near the versatility of Mjolnir (hence my 'swayable' opinion about the first scenario.) However, a sword that can literally cut through anything in the hands of a Superman-level fella who moves by the nanosecond, is certainly still a threat--Mjolnir or not.
Reality altering vision? Are you referring to the Binary Star feat from volume 1?
I think the sword makes Majestic a much larger threat in close combat but if Thor fights with a modicum of intelligence, he can neutralize it for the most part. It makes it closer, but it isn't enough to give him the majority. At least if Mjolnir is used as more than a blunt force object.
Originally posted by "Id"
Regarding H2H.Quick Silver tagged him a few times, before Thor responded. The same with Sentry. He ate a few hits, before he lands his.
Members are not aproaching (Well with the blades maybe), hey look speed blitz he is done. Its he will take a few, before he lands his. Only its someone with a physical might that measures up to him.
Thats what members are brining up. When he faces someone that can take it, as good as he dish out, and you factor in his speed. Much is left to be desired for Thor.
I'd like to point out that Quicksilver dodges an initial bolt and Thor immediately took him down:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver3.jpg
Sentry blindsided Thor and the Odinson immediately retaliated:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSentry1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSentry2.jpg
I don't know why you'd say that, the Sentry showing is pretty consistent with what usually happens with Thor against speedy peers such as Gladiator, Hyperion, Superman, Surfer etc.
That scene where Gladiator occupied Thor is the only notable instance (The original battle against an incredibly amped Surfer might count. Thor payed him back with interest however when the circumstances favored him:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator10.jpg
I understand that Thor has his low showings like with Wolverine etc. but this guy has gotten in a shoot out with Surfer in space and won:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight12.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight13.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight14.jpg
No one's saying Majestic isn't faster, but he can counter speed when the comic calls for it.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Yes. That's how Eny used to refer to Maj's EV--hence the quotes. 😉Agreed. Tbh, the sword has little-to-nothing to do with my opinion. It's got some perks to offers, but nowhere near those of Mjolnir.
I miss Eny. 🙁
From what I remember, his heat vision didn't alter reality. He used an ancient semi mystical mathematical equation to create the Binary Star.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's exactly what he did. Still a great feat either way.
No doubt, calling it reality altering heat vision is just confusing if you don't know the joke.
It reminded me a lot of the God Blast Thor used against Exitar with the ancient, long dead, chanting.
I have a suggestion for your respect thread. It was in a Wildcats annual, Majestic is infected with a weird virus and starts demolishing all of Stormwatch including Union who is a peer.
