Mr Majestic vs Thor

For all the talk about Thor's low speed feats, there seems to be an impression that there are no Thor high speed feats or feats against speedsters. Considering how Thor handles speedsters, it ought to be pretty obvious he'd repeat those performances in the future as he continues to do.

Of course, people pointing to Wolverine vs Thor seem to act like Wonder Woman vs Deathstroke never happens.

It's perfectly justifiable to not ignore Majestic's combat speed. It's not justifiable to then ignore how Thor's reacted to speedsters.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Of course, people pointing to Wolverine vs Thor seem to act like Wonder Woman vs Deathstroke never happens.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Of course, people pointing to Wolverine vs Thor seem to act like Wonder Woman vs Deathstroke never happens.

But WW is a legitimate speedster, and Slade isn't. To directly compare your examples, Thor is to Slade, as Wolverine is to Wonder Woman.. Slade and Thor tag speedsters all the time. Wolverine and Wonder Women have feats proving they're speedsters of a certain level, which prove Wolverine > Thor in speed, and WW > Slade in speed, regardless of how their fights play out...

Hulks hit a carnage possessed, speeding Surfer. Batman kicked Captain Marvel.. Slade, he has a history of hitting Wally..

Originally posted by cdtm
But WW is a legitimate speedster, and Slade isn't. To directly compare your examples, Thor is to Slade, as Wolverine is to Wonder Woman.. Slade and Thor tag speedsters all the time. Wolverine and Wonder Women have feats proving they're speedsters of a certain level, which prove Wolverine > Thor in speed, and WW > Slade in speed, regardless of how their fights play out...

Hulks hit a carnage possessed, speeding Surfer. Batman kicked Captain Marvel.. Slade, he has a history of hitting Wally..

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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This is the only part that matters:

Considering how Thor handles speedsters, it ought to be pretty obvious he'd repeat those performances in the future as he continues to do.

No. Period.

Thor handling speedsters, does not prove he is as fast as speedsters, if that's your argument. (And since you brought up Wonder Woman vs Slade, a clear cut case of PIS with Slade matching WW, I can't see what other point you're trying to make.)

Using that criteria, Slade becomes >>> Wally West, which is ridiculous.

On average showings Thor is slow compared to Majestic, on average.

I don't see Thor winning this for the majority, the sword does cut.

Also without his sword he loses I was wrong before on 3/3 wins.

However with his swords, game over Thor.

Originally posted by snowdragon
On average showings Thor is slow compared to Majestic, on average.

I don't see Thor winning this for the majority, the sword does cut.

To be fair to Thor, he does have some impressive speed showings of his own.

Not remotely close to Majestics, but still pretty impressive.

Originally posted by cdtm
No. Period.

Thor handling speedsters, does not prove he is as fast as speedsters, if that's your argument. (And since you brought up Wonder Woman vs Slade, a clear cut case of PIS with Slade matching WW, I can't see what other point you're trying to make.)

Using that criteria, Slade becomes >>> Wally West, which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He's saying Thor will continue to handle speedsters, and Thor vs Wolverine is PIS...

Ahh....

If that's his argument, Guy Gardner wins.

that sword is pretty nasty.

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair to Thor, he does have some impressive speed showings of his own.

Not remotely close to Majestics, but still pretty impressive.

Thor has like 4-5 times the showings of majestic literally and I wouldn't put them even remotely close based on that.

Originally posted by cdtm
This is the only part that matters:

No. Period.

Thor handling speedsters, does not prove he is as fast as speedsters, if that's your argument. (And since you brought up Wonder Woman vs Slade, a clear cut case of PIS with Slade matching WW, I can't see what other point you're trying to make.)

I'm not trying to prove Thor is a speedster. Just that he handles them with consistency. From low speedsters to high-end speedsters. And you obviously did miss the point. How can people keep acting like consistent speed feats are the end-all, be-all (even though they job to non-speedsters), but characters who have consistent feats against speedsters are irrelevant (because they sometimes job to non-speedsters)?

Do people act like Thor being toppled by Cap means he can't possibly take a Thng-level hit? Even though he consistently does?

Do people act like Thor being blasted by a generic laser gun means he can't possibly take a Silver Surfer-level blast? Even though he consistently does?

Somehow, speed can never be treated with the same level of consideration as strength and durability consistently are. For strength and durability, this consideration is unconscious. When it comes to speed though? There has to be some overly zealous equivocation over it. It's retarded.

Originally posted by cdtm
Using that criteria, Slade becomes >>> Wally West, which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It is the only part that matters.

I'm not trying to prove Thor is a speedster. Just that he handles them with consistency. From low speedsters to high-end speedsters. And you obviously did miss the point. How can people keep acting like consistent speed feats are the end-all, be-all (even though they job to non-speedsters), but characters who have consistent feats against speedsters are irrelevant (because they sometimes job to non-speedsters)?

Do people act like Thor being toppled by Cap means he can't possibly take a Thng-level hit? Even though he consistently does?

Do people act like Thor being blasted by a generic laser gun means he can't possibly take a Silver Surfer-level blast? Even though he consistently does?

Somehow, speed can never be treated with the same level of consideration as strength and durability consistently are. For strength and durability, this consideration is unconscious. When it comes to speed though? There has to be some overly zealous equivocation over it. It's retarded. sam

Durability is pretty moot with the sword shown to cut everything, he will get cut.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It is the only part that matters.

I'm not trying to prove Thor is a speedster. Just that he handles them with consistency. From low speedsters to high-end speedsters. And you obviously did miss the point. How can people keep acting like consistent speed feats are the end-all, be-all (even though they job to non-speedsters), but characters who have consistent feats against speedsters are irrelevant (because they sometimes job to non-speedsters)?

Do people act like Thor being toppled by Cap means he can't possibly take a Thng-level hit? Even though he consistently does?

Do people act like Thor being blasted by a generic laser gun means he can't possibly take a Silver Surfer-level blast? Even though he consistently does?

Somehow, speed can never be treated with the same level of consideration as strength and durability consistently are. sam

I disagree. I think they're treated roughly the same..

Thor being toppled by Cap, is comparable to Flash being caught by Slade. It's so outside Caps ball park, it shouldn't even be taken seriously as a high end feat...

Same deal for Thor and a generic laser gun, if it indeed is generic and not some plot device gun, like the Old Power tasers Banner employed.

ODG has a good point.

Originally posted by cdtm
I disagree. I think they're treated roughly the same..

Thor being toppled by Cap, is comparable to Flash being caught by Slade. It's so outside Caps ball park, it shouldn't even be taken seriously as a high end feat...

Same deal for Thor and a generic laser gun, if it indeed is generic and not some plot device gun, like the Old Power tasers Banner employed.

Whatever.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Thor seming to have concerted issues with Wolverine while basically curbstomping Quicksilver, Makkari, Hermes, etc. when they're using speed isn't more of the same?

Whatever.

That's exaclty what I mean, he has very few showings against speedsters at majestic lvl.

Especially fighting and fighting against ppl that can kill him, none of those examples are good combat examples of him losing or winning to live.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Thor seming to have concerted issues with Wolverine while basically curbstomping Quicksilver, Makkari, Hermes, etc. when they're using speed isn't more of the same?

Whatever.

Thor crushes Wolverine. 😛

The way he handled Quicksilver is allright. I don't have a problem with how that was handled, considering Thor's more than capable of causing a massive earthquake by smashing the ground, and Quicksilver can't fly..

I can't comment on Makkari and Hermes, but for what it's worth if we were talking about Superman clotheslining Zoom in that DC reboot storyline, I'd argue that's definitive PIS, because Supes simply isn't that fast..

Originally posted by snowdragon
That's exaclty what I mean, he has very few showings against speedsters at majestic lvl.

Especially fighting and fighting against ppl that can kill him, none of those examples are good combat examples of him losing or winning to live.

Majestic's combat superspeed is far more proven than most characters. But Thor's been proven to deal with superspeedsters also. Somehow the former means everything but the latter means nothing. Even though both chacters have jobbed when it comes to speed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... every superspeedtser Thor's fought, he's countered/defeated/embarassed outright. For the record, I'm not downplaying Majestic's superspeed.

Majestic's combat superspeed is far more proven than most characters. But Thor's been proven to deal with superspeedsters also. Somehow the former means everything but the latter means nothing. Even though both chacters have jobbed when it comes to speed.

And that's my point, majestic in his showings is greater at high speed fighting then Thor's.

Not saying Thor hasn't dealt with speedsters but Majestic is better then most and successful with his speed more so then Thor's fighting speed.