Mr Majestic vs Thor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... every superspeedtser Thor's fought, he's countered/defeated/embarassed outright.

That's not unique to Thor, though.

I mean, Spidey usually handles speedsters like Speed Demon in his own series. That's why when SD embarrassed Spidey outright in Thunderbolts, it was a mark out moment, because that's not usually how it goes down.

Wonder Woman took down Zoom II, Cap embarrassed Danny Rand, animated John Stewart punched Wally in the face as he was SPEEDING TOWARDS HIM...

Now, if all you're arguing is Thor has options against speedsters like area attacks or throwing his hammer at them, I won't dispute that.. But he's facing Majestic, nor Quicksilver. Maj is strong enough to KO Thor without the speed gap. With it, he can start pounding him before Thor can do much of anything..

Originally posted by cdtm
That's not unique to Thor, though.

I mean, Spidey usually handles speedsters like Speed Demon in his own series. That's why when SD embarrassed Spidey outright in Thunderbolts, it was a mark out moment, because that's not usually how it goes down.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wonder Woman took down Zoom II, Cap embarrassed Danny Rand, animated John Stewart punched Wally in the face as he was SPEEDING TOWARDS HIM...

Originally posted by cdtm
Now, if all you're arguing is Thor has options against speedsters like area attacks or throwing his hammer at them, I won't dispute that.. But he's facing Majestic, nor Quicksilver. Maj is strong enough to KO Thor without the speed gap. With it, he can start pounding him before Thor can do much of anything..

Originally posted by snowdragon
And that's my point, majestic in his showings is greater at high speed fighting then Thor's.

Not saying Thor hasn't dealt with speedsters but Majestic is better then most and successful with his speed more so then Thor's fighting speed.

So is Quicksilver. Hermes. Juvan. Zefra. Hyperion. Gladiator. Sentry.

And they fought Thor... and lost. Yet, that means nothing?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So is Quicksilver. Hermes. Juvan. Zefra. Gladiator. Hyperion. Sentry.

So is Quicksilver. Hermes. Juvan. Zefra. Hyperion. Gladiator. Sentry.

And they fought Thor... and lost. Yet, that means nothing?

Sentry lost because he gave up, Galdiator gloated he owned Masterson, he fought hermes or just grabbed his ankle? Hyperion and Zefra and Juvan are they really Majestic speed lvl or even close consistently?

^ Sentry got whacked upside the head the first time and resorted to power in their rematch. You never read either of Thor's fights with Gladiator. Though Masterson Thor did actually counter Gladiator's superspeed attack. Hyperion's combat superspeed's been measured by the nanosecond. As for Zefra and Juvan, what does it matter? Because all of these characters have more superspeed showings than Thor. And Thor beat them.

So just because Majestic has more superspeed showings, doesn't mean Thor can't compete. Looking at Thor's career, it's been the exact opposite.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Sentry got whacked upside the head the first time and resorted to power in their rematch. You never read either of Thor's fights with Gladiator. Though Masterson Thor did actually counter Gladiator's superspeed attack. Hyperion's combat superspeed's been measured by the nanosecond. As for Zefra and Juvan, what does it matter? Because all of these characters have more superspeed showings than Thor. And Thor beat them.

So just because Majestic as more superspeed showings, doesn't mean Thor can't compete. Looking at Thor's career, it's been the exact opposite.

This is what I'm talking about, Thor has to few fights with high speed to believe he will consistantly counter Majestic in a fight.

I'm not going to highball lowball showings with speed of Thor, if you believe Thor can win, great. IMO I do not think he will win without his hammer.

Thor's fighting speed on average isn't close to Majestics.

Originally posted by snowdragon
This is what I'm talking about, Thor has to few fights with high speed to believe he will consistantly counter Majestic in a fight.

How many fights does Majestic have where he overwhelms a high herald character like Thor who's consistently countered/defeated/outright embarrassed speedsters?

What's that? How many? Didn't quite get that? How many again?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, just nearly every fight against a speedster and a superspeedster.

How many fights does Majestic have where he overwhelms a high herald character like Thor who's consistently countered/defeated/outright embarrassed speedsters?

What's that? How many? Didn't quite get that? How many again?

He has to embarrass speedsters to out do Thor? Majestic took it to a what a battallion of Spartans who are all super speedsters.

Do you really want to bring in losses to mongoose and try to throw those aside then say he can consistently hang with Majestic speedwise?

Not to mention I specifically commented on the 3 scenarios, where do you think they fall?

^ Who has he embarrassed on Thor's level? On Thor's level with his career against speedsters?

He actually countered Mongoose. And sent him packing. Of course, here we come to it. Your opinion is obviously based on low showings. So does Wonder Woman being taken to task by Deathstroke mean she can't possibly deal with Superman? Do I have to bring up Majestic getting embarassed himself? Union comes to mind off the top of my head. What was Union's best speed feat? Deflecting bullets?

Obviously you think the only way a foe could have a chance against another foe is if they have equal speed feats. Unless they're also DC characters. How... original. Of course, that same kind of absolutist logic doesn't come to play when it comes to strength feats, durability feats, stamina feats, energy projection feats, versatlity, etc. Again... how... original.

Let me know what Thor-level character (with a career similar to Thor's career against speedsters) that Majestic's overwhelmed with his superspeed. Let me know. Again, who? What's that? Which guys? Who? Say, what?

Originally posted by snowdragon
Sentry lost because he gave up,

Thor countered Sentry, he didn't just give up:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSentry1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSentry2.jpg

Originally posted by snowdragon
Galdiator gloated he owned Masterson,

Gladiator tried to use speed early on and Masterson handled it:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator4.jpg

He countered it the second time around as well:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator6.jpg

In the end, Kallark pounded on Masterson but any physical advantage played less of a role in that in comparison to his mental advantages. He was experienced, a warrior and perhaps most important of all, was more ferocious.

Originally posted by snowdragon
He fought hermes or just grabbed his ankle?

He grabbed Hermes' ankle once and snatched him out of his chariot the second time around.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Hyperion and Zefra and Juvan are they really Majestic speed lvl or even close consistently?

Zefra and Juvan are intended to be pretty fast but I don't think they were ever properly defined. Anyways, here you go:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZefra.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras2.jpg

They were obviously intended to be speedsters though:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras3.jpg

Hyperion like all Super types possesses the standard super fast nanosecond reaction time blah blah blah. His about on par with Gladiator. Anyways, Hyperion and Thor have had a few encounters, this probably best illustrates the speed advantage:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg

Similar to the scene with Superman, a brief edge but something Thor quickly counters.

Tbf, under Busiek, Hyperion was beating a Mjolnir-less Thor in hand to hand but that was specifically because of a flight advantage. Busiek was always stuck in the Silver Age.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Who has he embarrassed on Thor's level? On Thor's level with his career against speedsters?

Here is a reality of comics, I HATE doing feat wars or saying who, what when, the reality is Majestic has like 300 comics, Thor has like 4500 I think it's fair to say there is more to pull from one side then the other.

You never answered my question, based on the 3 fights where do they stand.

It's a fact based on total showings Majestic is better with speed and ruthless with no problem killing.

Where does Thor fall in the 3 specific fight scenerios?

Also using Gladiator and Hyperion as examples aren't Majestic who would HARD handle both those tools.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Thor's fighting speed on average isn't close to Majestics.

What exactly do you mean by that?

Majestic doesn't fly around speed blitzing everyone at nanosecond speeds or something, don't make the mistake of assuming that what you see in respect threads reflect what characters consistently do.

Thor isn't going to be at much more -if any- of a disadvantage speed wise in comparison Union, Spartan, Defile, Crusade, Hellspoint etc.

Out of curiosity, has Majestic ever speed blitzed anyone of note? If anyone wants to chime in, it'd be appreciated, trying to give the Warlord a fair case.

The closest scene that I can think of is when he predicted Spartan's teleportation, and even then, that incarnation went on to not only hold his own against Majestic, but beat him in hand to hand.

I'm not trying to lowball Majestic or anything, but he isn't the Flash. Heck, even the Flash isn't the Flash based on forum opinions.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Here is a reality of comics, I HATE doing feat wars or saying who, what when, the reality is Majestic has like 300 comics, Thor has like 4500 I think it's fair to say there is more to pull from one side then the other.

You never answered my question, based on the 3 fights where do they stand.

It's a fact based on total showings Majestic is better with speed and ruthless with no problem killing.

Where does Thor fall in the 3 specific fight scenerios?

Also using Gladiator and Hyperion as examples aren't Majestic who would HARD handle both those tools.

Yeah, like you never answered my questions that have been thrown at you from the beginning. Keep talking in circles. You're not deflecting from my arguments at all.

So are the speedsters that Thor has beaten. Newsflash. So are the speedsters that Thor has beaten.

Your deflections are boring, unoriginal, and... oh yeah... boring.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're the one focusing on low feats. How am I to be blamed when you get annoyed that Majestic has little to no feats against high herald foes like Thor who has a career against speedsters? Or that Majestic has also been embarrassed?

Yeah, like you never asked my questions that have been thrown at you from the beginning. Keep talking in circles. You're not deflecting from my arguments at all.

So are the speedsters that Thor has beaten. Newsflash. So are the speedsters that Thor has beaten.

Your deflections are boring, unoriginal, and... oh yeah... boring.

I am not deflecting at all, I'm not answering you since I made my case early in this fight, Thor based on total showings isn't as speed oriented as Majestic.

You're pedantic pouting statements don't answer my question.

Out of the 3 fight scenerios what are your thoughts on the outcome?

^ Once again, newsflash: Thor wasn't as speed oriented as all the speedsters he's beaten either.

And your deflections don't serve to cover up the glaring gaps in your rhetoric or abject failure to do anything but lowball in a one-sided manner.

Keep deflecting. Majestic's non-existent fights where he overwhelms high heralds like Thor somehow trumps all of Thor's fights where he counters/defeats/outright embarrasses speedsters and superspeedsters. Yeah, I get it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Thor wasn't as speed oriented as all the speedsters he's beaten either.

And your deflections don't serve to cover up the glaring gaps in our rhetoric or abject failure to do anything but lowball in a one-sided manner.

Keep deflecting. Majestic's non-existent fights where he overwhelms high heralds like Thor somehow trumps all of Thor's fights where he counters/defeats/outright embarrasses speedsters and superspeedsters. Yeah, I get it.

You are simply trying to manipulate me into an argument that I already stated the outcome to, you on the other hand have evaded it with every post.

It's a simple question you never answer out of all my posts, out of the 3 fights what are your opinions on the outcome?

ODG, most of thor's successes against speedsters can be attributed to PIS, which has no place on a forum fight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ODG, most of thor's successes against speedsters can be attributed to PIS, which has no place on a forum fight.

HUGE BINGO score here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ODG, most of thor's successes against speedsters can be attributed to PIS, which has no place on a forum fight.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You are simply trying to manipulate me into an argument that I already stated the outcome to, you on the other hand have evaded it with every post.

It's a simple question you never answer out of all my posts, out of the 3 fights what are your opinions on the outcome?

Thanks again for highlighting how your obsession over speed feats ends up completely defeating your own rhetoric. Being a speedster means you win. Defeating speedsters doesn't mean anything because it's always PIS (unless you're a DC character). So original.

This isn't wordplay. This is cutting to the core of this horsesh1t. Just because you don't like the smell doesn't mean I'm the one serving it. I'm just the one pointing it out.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ODG, most of thor's successes against speedsters can be attributed to PIS, which has no place on a forum fight.

Originally posted by snowdragon
HUGE BINGO score here.

Wow.

Let's at least pretend to be fair about this.