Thanos vs Superman/WWH melee

Started by carver921 pages
Originally posted by -Pr-
It was only recently that you were claiming that Professor Hulk was Superman's equal...

Nooooo...I said DC and Marvel matched the two as equals and they did. They could have chose any Hulk to match Supermans power but they chose Professor Hulk and then once the DC vs Marvel action was done, they used Savage Hulk to cream Gladiator right after this to prove a point.

The point of the Marvel and DC arc was to pit them against someone similar in power and they pitted Professor Hulk...not Savage, a far more ruthless, non holding back, more powerful Hulk. Superman.probably would have lost that confrontation if it was that Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Nooooo...I said DC and Marvel matched the two as equals and they did. They could have chose any Hulk to match Supermans power but they chose Professor Hulk and then once the DC vs Marvel action was done, they used Savage Hulk to cream Gladiator right after this to prove a point.

The point of the Marvel and DC arc was to pit them against someone similar in power and they pitted Professor Hulk...not Savage, a far more ruthless, non holding back, more powerful Hulk. Superman.probably would have lost that confrontation if it was that Hulk.

You're using the crossover as evidence? pr1983

Also, wasn't the current Hulk at the time Professor Hulk anyway?

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're using the crossover as evidence? pr1983

Lol...no since in my first post I said Superman could pull a majority against Professor Hulk. I forgot the real reason I even brought that up.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no since in my first post I said Superman could pull a majority against Professor Hulk. I forgot the real reason I even brought that up.

I edited.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no since in my first post I said Superman could pull a majority against Professor Hulk. I forgot the real reason I even brought that up.

How strong is professor hulk compared to a base level savage hulk?

Originally posted by -Pr-

Also, wasn't the current Hulk at the time Professor Hulk anyway?

Yes but that wouldn't help your case since the Hulk during that time was weakened due to his lost connection with Banner. It was basically a Bannerless Hulk. So I wouldn't use current incarnation as an argument because it would make my argument look even better. Let's just hold on to it being Professor Hulk.

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Originally posted by carver9
Yes but that wouldn't help your case since the Hulk during that time was weakened due to his lost connection with Banner. It was basically a Bannerless Hulk. So I wouldn't use current incarnation as an argument because it would make my argument look even better. Let's just hold on to it being Professor Hulk.

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But it would help my case, because a) the reason for choosing him wasn't because they were peers, and b) it doesn't help your argument that dc or marvel considered them equals.

They were simply chosen because one was Superman and one was Hulk.

Originally posted by Diesldude
How strong is professor hulk compared to a base level savage hulk?

Professor Hulk is by far one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulks but I would say he is a high class 100 but I would also say that Savage Hulk starts off highe than him and quickly pass him due to his ongoing rage. He isn't q chump though since he was capable of holding his own against Juggy and stalemate Power Gem Drax...he is still below Savage Hulk though.

I'll post a fight of a weakened Professor Hulk surviving a battle against a pissed off Thor. He was even near turning to Bruce and still held his own.

Originally posted by -Pr-
But it would help my case, because a) the reason for choosing him wasn't because they were peers, and b) it doesn't help your argument that dc or marvel considered them equals.

They were simply chosen because one was Superman and one was Hulk.

That was the main reason they pitted them against each other...to prove who would win out of the two.

Also, during this fight, Superman said it took everything in him to drop PH. That doesn't sound like some random pick. All of these battles happened because of similarities...the characters were similar.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't an explanation. Odin also thought Thanos was dead. When he realized he wasn't then he gave him the option to yield out of respect as a worthy adversary. This is all explained right on panel. Odin admits in trying to kill him earlier in their fight as well.

Quanchi the obvious doesn't need to be explained. Odin thinking Thanos dead =/= him going all out. Characters threaten to kill all the time in comics while still holding back, what happened on panel contradicts your interpretation of events. Unsurprisingly.

At this point you have provided one good durability feat for Thanos, beating a villain (through plot) with the resume of Iron Man, beating up Surfer in melee (something both Hulk and Superman could do) and bashing Prof Hulk and Things head together (lol). I really hope this isn't your proof Thanos crushes two of the top heralds in h2h because even Savage Hulk and Byrne-era Superman have feats that surpass these.

Surfer fought the Hulk in planet Hulk. Surfer was more than holding his own. Looks like continuity gets in the way of your argument again.

How is this proof of anything besides you attempting to lowball? They were both weakened and had very limited access to their powers, Surfer was KO'ed in 2-3 punches iirc.

Thor with the power gem used more than just his strength. Thor with the power gem also wrecked shop on Dr. Strange, the Infinity Watch, and the Surfer. Hulk has never bested the Surfer with him fighting back.

Clearly Surfer and Co fought like idiots in B&T but Thor is also obviously more versatile than Hulk, if you had switched Nul for Thor it would have been a massacre. Green Scar had the whole of planet Earth on lockdown and Superman has held his own against groups of heralds more powerful than Thor did in B&T.

Hulk and Surfer haven't fought in recent times both characters have gone through transformations so who who knows how a fight would turn out now.

Thor with the power gem lastly is far more powerful than WW Hulk and Superman combined. Sorry, again that's continuity getting in the way of your argument.

Thor wasn't tapping into the full power of the gem and he was working Thanos, it's funny because in that fight you could describe Thor as having high damage soak, amping abilities, high durability and strength, being ferocious and unrelenting... Sounds like a certain 7 foot green monster don't you think?

Originally posted by carver9
That was the main reason they pitted them against each other...to prove who would win out of the two.

Also, during this fight, Superman said it took everything in him to drop PH. That doesn't sound like some random pick. All of these battles happened because of similarities...the characters were similar.

Similarities? The only similarities between Superman and Hulk are being strong and being popular. They were chosen because they were the two "strong guys" in their companies, and it's probably the most talked about VS match in existence.

Having them not fight would be like visiting a porn set and having to wear a blind-fold the entire time.

You can't seriously be treating it like any sort of serious match-up...

Originally posted by carver9
Professor Hulk is by far one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulks but I would say he is a high class 100 but I would also say that Savage Hulk starts off highe than him and quickly pass him due to his ongoing rage. He isn't q chump though since he was capable of holding his own against Juggy and stalemate Power Gem Drax...he is still below Savage Hulk though.

I'll post a fight of a weakened Professor Hulk surviving a battle against a pissed off Thor. He was even near turning to Bruce and still held his own.

I don't think Thor was in a rage but he wasn't pulling his punches either.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Similarities? The only similarities between Superman and Hulk are being strong and being popular. They were chosen because they were the two "strong guys" in their companies, and it's probably the most talked about VS match in existence.

Having them not fight would be like visiting a porn set and having to wear a blind-fold the entire time.

You can't seriously be treating it like any sort of serious match-up...

😂 no, I'm not treating it like a serious match but I'm also not trying to ignore the point the companies were getting across either.

Originally posted by carver9
Professor Hulk is by far one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulks but I would say he is a high class 100 but I would also say that Savage Hulk starts off highe than him and quickly pass him due to his ongoing rage. He isn't q chump though since he was capable of holding his own against Juggy and stalemate Power Gem Drax...he is still below Savage Hulk though.

I'll post a fight of a weakened Professor Hulk surviving a battle against a pissed off Thor. He was even near turning to Bruce and still held his own.

Holding his own against Juggy?

He got overpowered fairly easily and even had to resort to throwing something in Cain's eyes to get Cain to let him go so he wouldn't drowned.

And that fight you posted of Hulk against Thor doesn't seem like Thor is pissed and he seemed to handle PH fairly well. It was even stated that Thor was holding back most of the time, and probably still was at the end to some degree.

I'm not quite sure what this has to do with the match at hand but I wanted to point out those things that weren't necessarily true.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 no, I'm not treating it like a serious match but I'm also not trying to ignore the point the companies were getting across either.

The point that in a Marvel Vs DC crossover, people always want to see Superman fight Hulk, even if that Hulk is somewhat inferior to that Superman.

You're just guessing otherwise.

Well I one of those people that superman fighting like he usually does would get owned by thanos. Not saying supes can't hurt him but thanos would break him.

IMO if the team works together they could win. WWH could run distraction and superman with great flight speed could do hit and run bullrush tactics. This might work, thanos does have great overall durability.

How Superman vs Thanos would go:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qv9nia&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25ho2fc&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1199uyp&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=e1b49h&s=7

And keep in mind, Lord Mar-Vell one-shotted Magus, and got the upper hand (to say the least) on Silver friggin Surfer. And look at how Thanos handle him like a kitten.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
How Superman vs Thanos would go:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qv9nia&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25ho2fc&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1199uyp&s=7

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=e1b49h&s=7

And keep in mind, Lord Mar-Vell one-shotted Magus, and got the upper hand (to say the least) on Silver friggin Surfer. And look at how Thanos handle him like a kitten.


Where are all the awesome strength feats from mar-vell where he physically one-shotted magus and physically got the upper hand on surfer?

Originally posted by Diesldude
How strong is professor hulk compared to a base level savage hulk?

Savage Hulk and the Merged Hulk who fought Thanos were roughly the same strength but Savage could amp faster while Merged/Prof Hulk was smarter.

Savage Hulk was comfortably Namor level and then amped from there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where are all the awesome strength feats from mar-vell where he physically one-shotted magus and physically got the upper hand on surfer?

Well, one can assume that if he decide to go h2h, it's because he's tought that he was powerful enough to mesure to him. I think it's fair to say that he can at the very least dance with any herald levler, at the very least.