Originally posted by Liberator
http://abcnews.go.com/US/assange-lawyers-prepare-us-espionage-indictment/story?id=12362315According to the Espionage Act, he may actually be in some trouble with the yanks for spying.
Now I've got to go back to terrorising Prince Charles.
I'm not sure if any court would be comfortable with setting the precedent that the US can pass a law of international scope without consulting anyone else first.
Originally posted by Liberator
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11968605They're referring to some of the activists as 'hi-tech criminals' and/or 'cyber-criminals'.
Lol, I mean they are using botnets and hacking computers I just thought the term was funny.
On a side note, this seems to show that Anonymous has turned into a more political movement.
Also found it interesting that a 16 year old Dutch boy was arrested by authorities for possibly being involved in the "attacks".
A message posted on the 4chan image board, out of which Anonymous has grown, suggests dropping LOIC in favour of publicising information in the diplomatic cables that Wikileaks is releasing
Instead of "attacking" websites, they'd be releasing and publishing the leaks to a larger audience.
rather than backing off, they should be justifying the attacks under the same grounds that sit-ins are a legal form of protest
hell, it could be argued that ddos attacks are a less invasive form of protest than are street demonstrations, and certainly more direct
but it is true, Anonymous as a group would need some more organization than just random, reactionary, attacks. Even then, ddos, at least at public websites is not going to be enough. They are highly symbolic, but don't create enough financial pressure on the companies they target. EDIT: but yes, more things published from them, to give people a clearer idea of the message and motivations is essential, otherwise the media gets to set the tone of the discussion, as you said, calling activism "cyber-crime". Anonymous needs to get people to see what they do as legitimate civil dissobediance, where it is the message, rather than tactics, that people are talking about...
They would have to find a way to essentially stop Visa from making any type of payment (or, preferably, choose things, like porn or gambling, that will affect the people who rely on Visa, but wont stop people from paying rent or buying food while making a clear moral statement) for it to be really effective.
also, any tips on intro network engineering textbooks? lolz
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm not sure if any court would be comfortable with setting the precedent that the US can pass a law of international scope without consulting anyone else first.
ironic that the states would try to expand its own legislation in such a way, while completely standing against the ICC.
Originally posted by 753
A group that splintered from Wikileaks is scheduled to launch OpenLeaks in mid-december. Ramification has already begun, this is Napster all over again.
Wait, who called it?
I remember someone saying that this shit would happen, in this thread, a long time ago.
They need a cookie.
interesting perspective from Asange's prosecutor
first time I've heard someone reasonably defend that position
This whole thing is so silly.
If it was sexual assault, there would be irrefutable evidence: tearing, bruising, and so forth. In the case of "date rape" type drugs, there would be easy evidence there, as well. If there are not signs of "forced entry", it is nearly impossible to prove one party is guilty over another: it boils down to "he said, she said" shenanigans. I still smell "bs" with this whole ordeal.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This whole thing is so silly.If it was sexual assault, there would be irrefutable evidence: tearing, bruising, and so forth. In the case of "date rape" type drugs, there would be easy evidence there, as well. If there are not signs of "forced entry", it is nearly impossible to prove one party is guilty over another: it boils down to "he said, she said" shenanigans. I still smell "bs" with this whole ordeal.
He's not being charged with rape or sexual assault. They call it "sex by surprise". It's a crime so minor that the usual penalty is a $700 fine rather than an international manhunt, so minor that it doesn't exist in most of the world, so minor lawyers from outside Sweden had never heard of it.
Originally posted by inimalist
wut?
5000 kronor.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/sex-by-surprise-at-heart-of-assange-criminal-probe/19741444
Oh, here's a more thoughtful look at why Sweden has this law and what it means:
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/12/06/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise/
Just to be clear, he IS wanted on charges of rape/sexual assault, and he IS wanted for crimes that involve a jail sentence, not just a fine. The fine refers to the lesser molestation charge that he was also wanted on. But the charges on the warrant refer to unlawful coercion and rape. What they will eventually try to prosecute and what they might convict on, no-one knows, but the serious charges are there. As if they'd issue an interpol notice and European Warrant on a crime only involving a fine, sheesh...
This 'sex by surprise' thing is some nonsense being put around.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Just to be clear, he IS wanted on charges of rape/sexual assault, and he IS wanted for crimes that involve a jail sentence, not just a fine. The fine refers to the lesser molestation charge that he was also wanted on. But the charges on the warrant refer to unlawful coercion and rape. What they will eventually try to prosecute and what they might convict on, no-one knows, but the serious charges are there. As if they'd issue an interpol notice and European Warrant on a crime only involving a fine, sheesh...This 'sex by surprise' thing is some nonsense being put around.
He is wanted for questioning, he's not been charged with anything, I think. I also don't think "flee" is necessarily the right word, since it implies some sort of unlawfulness, which I don't think took place. Additionally, he has apparently offered before to meet with Swedish authorities in Swedish embassies, and after the arrest warrant was issued, he voluntarily turned himself in to the British police.
I do agree, that there's probably no conspiracy, but on the other hand he didn't behave badly either. Like you said it's serious allegations and they have to be dealt with properly, however like I said before, I can somewhat understand his paranoia. But I think he deals with it within legal bounds.