Originally posted by Galan007Nova was thoroughly dominated. Speed blitz casually blocked, shields smashed, psionic defenses casually breached, helmet smashed, armor torn up, WM malfunctioned. I've been a Nova fan for a loooooong time and trust me when I tell you that that was the most thorough ass kicking that Dick Rider has ever received.
Nova put up a decent fight too. 🙂
Okay, someone needs to fill me in as to what exactly Marv did to give him such 'uber' status.
I saw him kill Magus.
I saw him beat Nova.
I saw him blast Surfer (a blast which caused Surfer no real harm, mind you.)
I saw him get shitstomped by Thanos -- and the owning only stopped when Thanos willingly (key word) allowed Marv to contain/stab him.
I saw Death kill him.
So while Marv might be > Magus, he was still decisively < Thanos, who (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't at full power during TI...
Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, someone needs to fill me in as to what exactly Marv did to give him such 'uber' status.I saw him kill Magus.
I saw him beat Nova.
I saw him blast Surfer (a blast which caused Surfer no real harm, mind you.)
I saw him get shitstomped by Thanos -- and the owning only stopped when Thanos willingly (key word) allowed Marv to contain/stab him.
I saw Death kill him.So while Marv might be > Magus, he was still decisively < Thanos, who (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't at full power during TI...
Well I think you got most of my friend... I would only add these comments...
Magus was a pretty powerful character.. In fact, he was Trans level wouldn't you say? Mar-veil one shot killing him would then be pretty impressive.
He not only one-shot surfer but destroyed his board.. which as we know, would take some serious destructive force to do so. We must also remember when he punked Nova and Surfer it didn't even seem like he was taking them seriously while doing so.
Before leaving to go face Thanos... he cast a spell that would've killed the entire team if they didn't all combone their power to add in Quasar shield construct.
We must also remember that Thanos could very well have been upgraded being death's avatar. That was specifically said, but we know he was never death avatar before, so having that title.. one would think it would come with some bonuses. Point being, if Thanos was already Trans at the very least, and many feel he was low skyfather level BEFORE T.I. than after T.I. one could consider him mid skyfather level. So Thanos punking him, isn't really a bad showing for Mar-veil, and imo, doesn't mean he couldn't beat a team full of high/mid heralds
Magus at trans? He's got a few feats at that level, but do you honestly think he was consistently portrayed as such? I mean even Surfer has feats that some might consider trans-level. /shrug
Marv one-shotted Surfer in the sense that Surfer's board broke and he fell to the ground, yes. But Surfer was already back onto his knees in the very same page he was blasted on. That's why I said it caused him no real harm.
I don't believe Thanos had THAT much of a powerup during TI (especially since it was stated that he was not operating at full power, correct?) Anyhow, the biggest 'boost' I think he gained as Death's avatar was the inability to die -- he became immortal in the truest sense of the word.
Just MO. 🙂
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHere's my problem with that. Lets say that we consider Magus to be say, low-mid trans and Mar-Vell as high trans. Is the power gap between low-mid trans and high trans so great that a high trans could oneshot kill a low trans? I don't see it.
Well I think you got most of my friend... I would only add these comments...Magus was a pretty powerful character.. In fact, he was Trans level wouldn't you say? Mar-veil one shot killing him would then be pretty impressive.
He not only one-shot surfer but destroyed his board.. which as we know, would take some serious destructive force to do so. We must also remember when he punked Nova and Surfer it didn't even seem like he was taking them seriously while doing so.
Before leaving to go face Thanos... he cast a spell that would've killed the entire team if they didn't all combone their power to add in Quasar shield construct.
We must also remember that Thanos could very well have been upgraded being death's avatar. That was specifically said, but we know he was never death avatar before, so having that title.. one would think it would come with some bonuses. Point being, if Thanos was already Trans at the very least, and many feel he was low skyfather level BEFORE T.I. than after T.I. one could consider him mid skyfather level. So Thanos punking him, isn't really a bad showing for Mar-vell, and imo, doesn't mean he couldn't beat a team full of high/mid heralds
Originally posted by Galan007So a blast that caused Norrin to yell out AAAAAARRRRRGH!!!, Shatter his board, had him on the ground on his knee holding his head with his bell rang, and not returning to the fight wasn't harmful? I mean considering that the Surfer is supposed to be invulnerable, there had to be some damage done don't you think? Just sayin.
Magus at trans? He's got a few feats at that level, but do you honestly think he was consistently portrayed as such? I mean even Surfer has feats that some might consider trans-level. /shrugMarv one-shotted Surfer in the sense that Surfer's board broke and he fell to the ground, yes. But Surfer was already back onto his knees in the very same page he was blasted on. That's why I said it caused him no real harm.
I don't believe Thanos had THAT much of a powerup during TI (especially since it was stated that he was not operating at full power, correct?) Anyhow, the biggest 'boost' I think he gained as Death's avatar was the inability to die -- he became immortal in the truest sense of the word.
Just MO. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Magus at trans? He's got a few feats at that level, but do you honestly think he was consistently portrayed as such? I mean even Surfer has feats that some might consider trans-level. /shrugMarv one-shotted Surfer in the sense that Surfer's board broke and he fell to the ground, yes. But Surfer was already back onto his knees in the very same page he was blasted on. That's why I said it caused him no real harm.
I don't believe Thanos had THAT much of a powerup during TI (especially since it was stated that he was not operating at full power, correct?) Anyhow, the biggest 'boost' I think he gained as Death's avatar was the inability to die -- he became immortal in the truest sense of the word.
Just MO. 🙂
Consistently is very subjective word my friend. I guess my answer would be yes though. It's not like he had countless appearances like surfer, the few appearances he did have, had him doing Trans level feats here and there but consistent in his brief appearances in comics. Surfer on the other hand, does have some trans level feats, yet as a whole, his many appearances (with mostly high herald feats) make his average at high herald. I don't think Magus average is as such. Thoughts?
Point is… lets say he's low trans… wouldn't one shot killing him show some impressive power to do so.. power that would have to be at least high trans?
I agree that things happened the way you say they did my friend, my question to you is… you don't think doing so, again, showed impressive firepower.
I also think you touched on the point I was trying to make my friend… If Thanos was weakened throughout the entire story… and yet could kill billions of T.C.O.T., kill Phyla in one shot, punk drax and the rest of the gotg and make them run for their lives, only get put down by a cosmic cube blast in a weakened state, able to resist the TP from some of the top TP users in marvel (while weakened), kill drax in one shot with ease.. then go on to punk Mar-veil … all of this in a weakened state… Seems to me there could very well be an upgrade there… then again, maybe you're arguing that pre T.I. Thanos could do all of that in a weakened state?