You're not understanding my point still my friend.. let me ask you this simple question..
1. Do you believe Magus killed ALL i.e. every single one of his followers everywhere and anywhere? That is the only thing I'm talking about at this point and it seems this is what you're are implying by saying he was no longer receiving ANY amp.
^ If Magus was still being amped by these 'galaxies' worth of followers the entire time, then why would he have needed trillions of worshipers to be at his location/chanting the same incantation, to preform his "ONE act"?
Imo, it was made quite clear that the belief energy generated by the worshipers was used solely to destroy the worlds. Since nothing else was mentioned regarding powerups, I will not assume Magus was still being boosted after his "ONE" task had been carried out.
Ahhhhhh.. I think I see our miscommunication... I think you believe I'm saying that he still had an equivalent amp (planets destroying amp) after said feat was performed and they were all destroyed. This isn't close to what I'm saying though. What I'm saying is that Magus (as a character in general) is always above A.W. in power. This is because he has legions of followers ALL over that empower him all the time. That is what I was referring to when I say.. those weren't his only followers and he still has an amp of his followers that puts him above A.W.. Now, obviously not planets destroying power all the time as he needed all that chanting at once to amp him to those levels. However, he still has his usual amp of people worshipping him all over. Those planets weren't the totality of his followers. I think that is where our misunderstanding took place. Unless of course you believe that was the totality of his followers and he no longer had anybody anywhere empowering him? Which you didn't really answer so maybe you do believe this
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You've missed many of the points I have made, my friend.I never said the trillionS of worshipers empowering Magus at the time were contained to the 18-or-so worlds/moons that appeared. Otherwise that would equate to a minimum of roughly 111,111,111,111.1 people per world/moon (just a smidgen overpopulated, don't you think?) So like I said before, the followers who were aboard his cruisers must have also been empowering him when he destroyed said planets -- hence Worldmind's comment:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4192/thanos012.jpg
"They're preparing for something big."What was the belief energy of all those worshipers being used for? Well according to Magus himself (the guy who was channeling it), it was being used for "this ONE act" (destroying the planets):
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3650/thanos017.jpgTo suggest that Magus was using the energy for anything other than the "ONE act" he specifically stated it was being used for, leads to a purely opinion-driven argument -- and those don't tend to hold up well.
Hey galan, can you post the scan after he states that he is being empowered... I want to see what happened. Didn't get the chance to buy the comic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNot really. You're conflating plot circumstance in one storyline with base level. Afro Magus, to my knowledge, never performed feats using energized faith.
Here is where the problem lies in your thinking and the comparison you tried to make. Hal doing something on a few occasions of course can't be coflated to a normal Hal. I agree. Difference here is that Magus in EVERY appearance he's made HAD these followers empowering him. That was his whole thing in EVERY appearance he's ever been in. It has always been an permanent amp of sorts. There hasn't been one appearance of his where he didn't have worshipers empowering him. Thus that IS his base level for Magus. That IS the difference between him and A.W. and it's a CONSTANT difference. When something is constant in every appearances, it no longer becomes an amp, it becomes their base line level.
Fact is, we already know you were arguing that the Universal Church of Truth was irrelevant for Adam Magus' feats. It wasn't irrelevant. But the UCT is not Adam Magus. The UCT does not define Adam Magus.
How do I know that? Just take your thesis to it's (un)natural conclusions. Quasar got swatted away by Adam Magus in one scene. Were trillions of UCT worshippers chanting an incantation, "hitQuasarhitQuasarhitQuasar"? Quasar tanked a trillions worth of amped faith with that hit? Quasar for Trans+ level? Phuck no.
Take it one step further, Adam Warlock was enjoying the UCT's faith amps right before he turned also. As soon as he was done weaving his spell... Phyla-Vell ran him through from behind. Were trillions of UCT worshippers chanting an incantation, "don'tgetstabbieddon'tgetstabbied"? Did Phyla-Vell run through a character whose durability was amped by trillions worth of amped faith? Phyla-Vell for Trans+ level? Phuck no.
Adam Magus has separate feats aside from amps from the Universal Church of Truth. Trying to conflate them makes no sense.
So you're saying that ther is an appearance of a Magus where he was empowered by the UCT? IF so, which appearance of his ever, had him without followers empowering him?
The fact is, as you stated, Magus is always above A.W. in part because of his constant portrayal of being amped by followers. True, there was no trillons of people chanting to perform feats as this arc had him do. However, we know that he's always had people worshipping him and empowering him in every appearance he's ever been in. This is why you conceded that he is above A.W. because worshipping him in fact amps him. Now, I have conceded that he needed all those people at once to perform said feat in question. Cool. What I'm saying is those people chanting were EVERY PERSON ANYWHERE who empowers him by worshipping him. Which is why I asked the question Galan never answered. Do you think when the planets were destroyed.. that those were all his worshippers everywhere. That was never ever stated via narration ever that those were all his followers who whorship him. No place is this ever stated. We know from Magus past that he has worlds and worlds of worshippers that empower him, there is no logical way he would kill off everyone who worships him and empowers him. Which then means, sure he didn't have 6 planet busting power amp after said feat, but still had followers around who worship him and empower him to some degree.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIn any appearance where he's not amping himself with faith energies from the UCT. And if you're going to ask me to prove a negative, i.e., "Prove he was never amping himself in every appearance ever" you can save your breath and avoid falling into that predictably fallacious ploy.
So you're saying that ther is an appearance of a Magus where he was empowered by the UCT? IF so, which appearance of his ever, had him without followers empowering him?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou can cease trying to put words into my mouth. Also, you've assumed without providing proof that Adam Magus is constantly amped at all times by his followers. You're literally backwards in your reasoning and understanding of evidentiary burdens in this thread.
The fact is, as you stated, Magus is always above A.W. in part because of his constant portrayal of being amped by followers.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAgain, you're projecting your own conclusion on my comments and putting words into my mouth. Adam Magus is at least, if not more powerful than Adam Warlock. He's got all of Afro Magus' experience on top of Adam Warlock's. So it stands to reason he's more experienced with his powers. Furthermore, Adam Magus is far more vicious with his power than Adam Warlock. That's why he's at least, if not more, powerful than Adam Warlock.
True, there was no trillons of people chanting to perform feats as this arc had him do. However, we know that he's always had people worshipping him and empowering him in every appearance he's ever been in. This is why you conceded that he is above A.W. because worshipping him in fact amps him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBottom-line is, you're concluding Lord Marv-Vell's blasting of this imaginary (and still unproven) "constantly amped" Adam Magus so that you can project immense Trans+ blasting power onto Lord Mar-Vell for that feat.
Now, I have conceded that he needed all those people at once to perform said feat in question. Cool. What I'm saying is those people chanting were EVERY PERSON ANYWHERE who empowers him by worshipping him. Which is why I asked the question Galan never answered. Do you think when the planets were destroyed.. that those were all his worshippers everywhere. That was never ever stated via narration ever that those were all his followers who whorship him. No place is this ever stated. We know from Magus past that he has worlds and worlds of worshippers that empower him, there is no logical way he would kill off everyone who worships him and empowers him. Which then means, sure he didn't have 6 planet busting power amp after said feat, but still had followers around who worship him and empower him to some degree.
When you're ready to conclude that Quasar being only tossed/swatted several feet by this imaginary (and still unproven) "constantly amped" Adam Magus is reason enough for you to project immense Trans+ durability onto Quasar for not being utterly annihilated, you will have consistency in your positions.
Until then, you don't.
And whatever reason you'll take your hypothesis to its absurd conclusion for Lord Mar-Vell's blasting feat and not for Quasar's durability feat is revealing. The idea of this "constantly amped" Adam Magus is nonsensical. Stop conflating the Universal Church of Truth with Adam Magus for the sake of blatantly selective reverse feat-projections.
