We've never seen Thanos go all out anyway, and he seemed a lot angrier and physical in Imperative, weakened or not. While he might have still been weakened against Mar-Vell, he was still the strongest he was in Imperative at that point in time.
And just because Thanos beat him up, it doesn't mean his other feats are in question... it just means that maybe Thanos is a little more powerful than everyone thought he was...
Magus just blew up a bunch of planets with a word and got disintegrated by a blast. He also overlapped two timelines on top of each other, and managed to trick Peter when he had the Cube. In the same arc-ish.
Surfer got grazed by a blast, and went onto his knees while his board got shattered. Nova got toyed with when Mar-Vell went physical. And the whole team would have been destroyed had Quasar not created a big ass shield.
At the very least, we can say Surfer will be ineffective in this battle (since he can get one shotted pretty easily). If Surfer is ineffective, it wouldn't be a shocker to say some others will be as well...
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWell I guess our opinions differ where Magus is concerned. Do I think it was impressive how easily Marv was able to kill him? Absolutely. But that is also one of Marv's best on panel feats (imo) -- and personally I don't think that is enough to place him in the uber echelons of power.
Consistently is very subjective word my friend. I guess my answer would be yes though. It's not like he had countless appearances like surfer, the few appearances he did have, had him doing Trans level feats here and there but consistent in his brief appearances in comics. Surfer on the other hand, does have some trans level feats, yet as a whole, his many appearances (with mostly high herald feats) make his average at high herald. I don't think Magus average is as such. Thoughts?Point is… lets say he's low trans… wouldn't one shot killing him show some impressive power to do so.. power that would have to be at least high trans?
I agree that things happened the way you say they did my friend, my question to you is… you don't think doing so, again, showed impressive firepower.
I also think you touched on the point I was trying to make my friend… If Thanos was weakened throughout the entire story… and yet could kill billions of T.C.O.T., kill Phyla in one shot, punk drax and the rest of the gotg and make them run for their lives, only get put down by a cosmic cube blast in a weakened state, able to resist the TP from some of the top TP users in marvel (while weakened), kill drax in one shot with ease.. then go on to punk Mar-veil … all of this in a weakened state… Seems to me there could very well be an upgrade there… then again, maybe you're arguing that pre T.I. Thanos could do all of that in a weakened state?
Don't get me wrong, I think Marv's blast certainly caused Surfer pain -- but pain =/= substantial harm. Like I said, he was back onto his knees in the very same page he was blasted in. How harmful could it have been to him?
TI Thanos may very well have had an upgrade... Not disputing that. But because he wasn't operating at full power during that arc, we never got to see the extent of those upgrades. Either way, I don't feel that TI Thanos demonstrated any abilities greater than what his classic self was capable of. That's important because I personally wouldn't give his classic self strong odds against this team -- and Marv was quite a bit inferior to him.
Again, just MO.
Good post Bran, and you brought up a very good point. This could've been a Thanos who was really pissed and showing his power. Most of his fights... Odin, Tyrant..Afro M even, he was almost laughing and having a good time.. not filled with anger and rage against his foes.
Question Bran.... Do you think Thanos was upgraded as an Avatar of Death or do you believe Thanos could've done what he did in this arc pre T.I., in a weakened state, but just get serious and angry?
TI thanos was just about at his strongest portrayal ever without outside power sources and had the immortality upgrade without which he would have been kileed 3 times in the story, so it's absurd to roll back and claim he was weaker than classic thanos to say that thanos had actually been a skyfather (considering mar-vell a high trans and magus a mid or low trans) all along.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good post Bran, and you brought up a very good point. This could've been a Thanos who was really pissed and showing his power. Most of his fights... Odin, Tyrant..Afro M even, he was almost laughing and having a good time.. not filled with anger and rage against his foes.Question Bran.... Do you think Thanos was upgraded as an Avatar of Death or do you believe Thanos could've done what he did in this arc pre T.I., in a weakened state, but just get serious and angry?
Plus, him being upgraded and weakened at the same time doesn't exactly work out...
Originally posted by Galan007
Well I guess our opinions differ where Magus is concerned. Do I think it was impressive how easily Marv was able to kill him? Absolutely. But that is also one of Marv's best on panel feats (imo) -- and personally I don't think that is enough to place him in the uber echelons of power.Don't get me wrong, I think Marv's blast certainly caused Surfer pain -- but pain =/= substantial harm. Like I said, he was back onto his knees in the very same page he was blasted in. How harmful could it have been to him?
TI Thanos may very well have had an upgrade... Not disputing that. But because he wasn't operating at full power during that arc, we never got to see the extent of those upgrades. Either way, I don't feel that TI Thanos demonstrated any abilities greater than what his classic self was capable of. That's important because I personally wouldn't give his classic self strong odds against this team -- and Marv was quite a bit inferior to him.
Again, just MO.
I get what you're saying In Re: Lack of feats to conclusively place him where some are placing him. Don't really disagree there as Mar-veil hasn't had many. However, and I think you agree, doesn't mean we can't use logical reasoning to deduce what he might be able to do on a consistent basis.. ergo.. placing him at some level of power. I'm still curious though... you would place Magus.. someone who casually destroys planets and manipulates timelines.. as a high herald?
I agree it didn't KO him.. but you don't think a grazing blow that still destroys his board and rings his bell good is powerful blast. If it did all that by just grazing surfer.. what would a direct blast do...
Lastly, I just want to clarify your point because I'm still a little confused on your viewpoint. So you believe classic Thanos, in a weakened state, could pull off all the feats he did in this arc? I believe that is what you're saying so I just want to make sure. Of course, this is possible, I really don't know for sure myself. It just seems to me like there was some upgrade to me IMO
Originally posted by 753He would have been killed once without the immortality...
TI thanos was just about at his strongest portrayal ever without outside power sources and had the immortality upgrade without which he would have been kileed 3 times in the story, so it's absurd to roll back and claim he was weaker than classic thanos to say that thanos had actually been a skyfather (considering mar-vell a high trans and magus a mid or low trans) all along.
Also, Skyfather has quite a few levels as well. Just because he's not as powerful as Odin doesn't mean he can't be on that level. You don't have to be as powerful as Surfer to be herald level, and you don't have to be as powerful as Odin to be Skyfather level (as evidenced by Odin being the strongest Skyfather...).
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I think he was given powers, IE immortality, and killing immortal beings, but I don't think he was upgraded. It's not like he showed some massive power boost, he was just shown as still really powerful, minus fighting as smart as he usually does.Plus, him being upgraded and weakened at the same time doesn't exactly work out...
Hmmmm I understand your point, and it is also possible. However, I would point out that, that Thanos has never been shown to deal with drax so easily. One shot kill him even. He also one shot killed Phyla. now, he has one shot killed a HH in Warlock before, but my point is, he never dealt with drax as easily as he did. However, it could be just him getting serious and filled with anger
I will disagree that it doesn't make sense though... it can logically make sense.... If your power is normally at lets say 70/100 (power scale) but you get a boost to 90/100... weakening someone at 70 might put them at 55... weakening someone at 90 might put them at 75.. It could still make sense is my only point.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He would have been killed once without the immortality...Also, Skyfather has quite a few levels as well. Just because he's not as powerful as Odin doesn't mean he can't be on that level. You don't have to be as powerful as Surfer to be herald level, and you don't have to be as powerful as Odin to be Skyfather level (as evidenced by Odin being the strongest Skyfather...).
1. Godslayer - gamorra was the first one to understand he had come back immortal
2. CC - this one you could claim starlord was just going for a KO
3. Drax
Originally posted by 753Godslayer broke on his skin. Kind of hard to kill someone with a blade when it breaks.
1. Godslayer - gamorra was the first one to understand he had come back immortal2. CC - this one you could claim starlord was just going for a KO
3. Drax
The CC didn't even knock Thanos out... it just shook him up and released the mental block... And the telepaths puts him in a coma...
Again, no where near a kill.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiPlanet-busting wouldn't be enough to place Magus beyond the herald tier. The timeline manipulation thing might be enough, though (depending on the extent of said manipulation.) Can you post scans or direct me to an issue number where I can find these timeline manipulation feats? I can't recall them off-hand.
I get what you're saying In Re: Lack of feats to conclusively place him where some are placing him. Don't really disagree there as Mar-veil hasn't had many. However, and I think you agree, doesn't mean we can't use logical reasoning to deduce what he might be able to do on a consistent basis.. ergo.. placing him at some level of power. I'm still curious though... you would place Magus.. someone who casually destroys planets and manipulates timelines.. as a high herald?I agree it didn't KO him.. but you don't think a grazing blow that still destroys his board and rings his bell good is powerful blast. If it did all that by just grazing surfer.. what would a direct blast do...
Lastly, I just want to clarify your point because I'm still a little confused on your viewpoint. So you believe classic Thanos, in a weakened state, could pull off all the feats he did in this arc? I believe that is what you're saying so I just want to make sure. Of course, this is possible, I really don't know for sure myself. It just seems to me like there was some upgrade to me IMO
It really wasn't a grazing blast. I mean, Surfer was within a matter of feet from Marv when he was blasted. At any rate, I never said the blast wasn't powerful -- it just wasn't powerful enough to deal out any real damage to Surfer.
No, I just meant that in general, classic Thanos could have likely matched any feats preformed by TI Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWell, he has one shotted classic Drax before when he was at his weakest form, he's just never got mad enough to try to kill him.
Hmmmm I understand your point, and it is also possible. However, I would point out that, that Thanos has never been shown to deal with drax so easily. One shot kill him even. He also one shot killed Phyla. now, he has one shot killed a HH in Warlock before, but my point is, he never dealt with drax as easily as he did. However, it could be just him getting serious and filled with angerI will disagree that it doesn't make sense though... it can logically make sense.... If your power is normally at lets say 70/100 (power scale) but you get a boost to 90/100... weakening someone at 70 might put them at 55... weakening someone at 90 might put them at 75.. It could still make sense is my only point.
So... they'd still be weaker than normal then, or ever so slightly more powerful?
Plus, I'm also saying it doesn't make sense as well because they wouldn't upgrade him, weaken him, and then 'kill' him off without even giving the slightest of hints of him ever being upgraded
Originally posted by Sr J-Biebgamorra realizes he was immortal because the blade shatterd, meaning his anti-death mojo did it not just durabilty against sharp objects.
Godslayer broke on his skin. Kind of hard to kill someone with a blade when it breaks.The CC didn't even knock Thanos out... it just shook him up and released the mental block... And the telepaths puts him in a coma...
Again, no where near a kill.
Originally posted by Galan007But he busted several planets at once while casually slapping Quasar aside. I don't see any high herald pulling that off.
Planet-busting wouldn't be enough to place Magus beyond the herald tier. The timeline manipulation thing might be enough, though (depending on the extent of said manipulation.) Can you post scans or direct me to an issue number where I can find these timeline manipulation feats? I can't recall them off-hand.It really wasn't a grazing blast. I mean, Surfer was within a matter of feet from Marv when he was blasted. At any rate, I never said the blast wasn't powerful -- it just wasn't powerful enough to deal out any real damage to Surfer.
No, I just meant that in general, classic Thanos could have likely matched any feats preformed by TI Thanos.
Originally posted by Galan007He didn't just destroy one planet, he destroyed many planets at the same time with a gesture.
Planet-busting wouldn't be enough to place Magus beyond the herald tier. The timeline manipulation thing might be enough, though (depending on the extent of said manipulation.) Can you post scans or direct me to an issue number where I can find these timeline manipulation feats? I can't recall them off-hand.It really wasn't a grazing blast. I mean, Surfer was within a matter of feet from Marv when he was blasted. At any rate, I never said the blast wasn't powerful -- it just wasn't powerful enough to deal out any real damage to Surfer.
IIRC, it barely hit Surfer and mostly connected with his board.
Originally posted by Galan007but it was a half a dozen worlds teleported to the fault and then simultaneously destroyed.
Planet-busting wouldn't be enough to place Magus beyond the herald tier. The timeline manipulation thing might be enough, though (depending on the extent of said manipulation.) Can you post scans or direct me to an issue number where I can find these timeline manipulation feats? I can't recall them off-hand.It really wasn't a grazing blast. I mean, Surfer was within a matter of feet from Marv when he was blasted. At any rate, I never said the blast wasn't powerful -- it just wasn't powerful enough to deal out any real damage to Surfer.
No, I just meant that in general, classic Thanos could have likely matched any feats preformed by TI Thanos.
he pulled an alternate universe over another to stabilize the fault and prevent multiversal collapse and because he was the magus in this universe he became the magus in the 616, which sent a ripple back through time making him the magus for months before it got to that point.