Lord Mar-vell vs. Team

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's Magus destroying planets:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3650/thanos017.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2147/thanos018.jpg
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3779/thanos019.jpg

What's odd about that instance is the fact that a few characters said the planets "detonated" -- makes it sound like they may have been pre-rigged to explode, imo (unless Magus is so powerful that all he needs to do is look at planets and they just cease to be.) /shrug

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Frankly, I find it odd that nobody seems to care that the populations of those worlds were chanting the incantation. Trillions of them.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Not talking about bombs my friend. Have a look at Magus' statement in the first panel of the first scan: "trillions of true believers, all converted in preparation for this one act... All chanting the same incantation." He then looks at the worlds and they explode. Just saying there are factors which suggest that Magus may have pre-rigged those worlds to "detonate" when they entered the 616 reality... Unless you think he is so powerful that multiple worlds can be destroyed just by him looking at them. /shrug
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Adam would have been unable to preform that feat without the faith generators amping him. The boost he received was obviously quite significant.

So... because people were chanting his name... this means he doesn't have the power to destroy planets?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't even a fight ? What ?????????????

Thanos dominated him before he tricked him. I never said he beat him he only showed he was well above him. So you don't know the definition of a fight ? I will add that to the list.

It wasn't even a fight by comic standards which lasts a couple pages usually.

Now I'll agree thanos held an advantage.But there is in no way enough proof to say that thanos curbstomped him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So... because people were chanting his name... this means he doesn't have the power to destroy planets?

We already know that the Universal Church of Truth and Adam Warlock utilized believers' faith as energy amps to perform astonishing feats. I just find it dubious that you can so readily conclude that trillions of believers who prepared themselves for one final act and who were chanting an incantation, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

And that's putting it nicely.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tossing him around like a ragdoll and choking a helpless mar-vell is dominating him.

You can go back to your fallacy world where a fight lasted 3 panels and somehow thanos stomps marvel and Odin tosses thanos around for 5 pages and call it a stalemate.

I perfer logic.But hey....whatever works for you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So... because people were chanting his name... this means he doesn't have the power to destroy planets?

"The faith generators of the templeships, powered by millions of believers, will supply the necessary energy reservoir":
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3886/gotg1716.jpg

"Trillions of true believers, all converted in preparation for this one act... All chanting the same incantation":
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3650/thanos017.jpg

Sound pretty similar, imo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
We're not trying to prove a negative and we don't have to. At least, I'm not going down that path again, anyway.

We already know that the Universal Church of Truth and Adam Warlock utilized believers' faith as energy amps to perform astonishing feats. I just find it dubious that you can so readily conclude that trillions of believers who prepared themselves for one final act and who were chanting an incantation, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

And that's putting it nicely.

^ Without external forces amping him, Magus isn't trans-level. I think that's the main point.

I don't know if that's necessarily true, but even if it is he is still HH at the least wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Without external forces amping him, Magus isn't trans-level. I think that's the main point.

So assuming a "multiple-planet-busting-with-ease" power level onto Adam Magus is questionable at best. To then take that and justify reverse-projecting a greater power level onto Lord Mar-Vell isn't exactly responsible. And it looks to me more than a few people are suggesting/sanctioning that.

Originally posted by dmills
I don't know if that's necessarily true, but even if it is he is still HH at the least wouldn't you say?

Right, in fact he powered up... yet you still think he's a HH?

Lets not forget this wasn't the first appearance of Magus.. he has prior feats which were impressive.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. And then you take the next step and note that Adam Magus wasn't amping his personal power with the faith of trillions of believers at the time he was killed by Lord Mar-Vell.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right, in fact he powered up... yet you still think he's a HH?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets not forget this wasn't the first appearance of Magus.. he has prior feats which were impressive.

No I'm saying Adam Magus/Afro Magus were all more powerful than Adam Warlock... so if you rate A.W. as a HH.. you would then rate Magus.. the same?

^ I don't know what feats you're using to suggest that Afro Magus' feats and Adam Magus' feats were that much more above Adam Warlock's HH-level feats to justify that Adam Magus has transcended the HH tier altogether.

^ But Adamagus HAS transcended the HH tier, ODG.... He just had the help of millions/trillions of believers to do so.

hmph

So you feel like A.W. had equivelant feats to Magus(s)? huh? As you just argued... having worlds of followers amped magus power by decent amount. I wasn't sure there was any debate on this issue. Now you're saying they were the same power level?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ But Adamagus HAS transcended the HH tier, ODG.... He just had the help of millions/trillions of believers to do so.

hmph

Which is exactly my point.. you can't have it both ways.. if the fetas you're trying to question have to do with him having an amp because of followers.. then how can someone claim A.W. is just as powerful as Afro/Magus?

^ At their base levels (ie. no believers empowering them) Adam/Magus are in the HH tier. It's only when they receive a boost from said believers that they transcend that tier.

...And when Marv killed Magus, he wasn't being powered up by his believers.