Originally posted by Mindset
He could always casually catch bullets?
Every street blocks and reflects bullets with ease, they don't catch them because they aren't durable enough to, a problem Danny can remedy with his Iron Fist. Or are we pretending catching a bullet requires faster reflexes that blocking one with a sword for the sake of Iron Fist wanking?
Originally posted by srankmissingninExcept it is easier than catching it.
Every street blocks and reflects bullets with ease, they don't catch them because they aren't durable enough to, a problem Danny can remedy with his Iron Fist. Or are we pretending catching a bullet requires faster reflexes that blocking one with a sword for the sake of Iron Fist wanking?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A blind Danny. Once Creed had his "established powerset," he still couldn't take down an Iron Fist-less Danny who was fighting as worse as he ever had. Neither could Wolverine. Neither could Mr. X. Neither could Deadpool. Neither could Griffin. Neither could the actual Iron Fist-killer that dodges bullets in bullet-time, throws down with Luke Cage punch for punch, and can bite Luke Cage despite his impenetrable skin. And you know what? Danny couldn't even use his chi at the end and still won! ... you're wrong and you know it.
Once Creed had his powers he walked all over Danny and needed a plot device for Danny to escape. Wolverine is in the same boat as Creed's first appearance fight. Iron Fist fought an undefined powerless Wolverine, the fight has no relevance to the current incarnation of the character. Mr. X fought Iron Fist for two panels. He got hit once, Iron Fist jumped across the table and Ghost phased him outside the window. Mr. X was fine it was barely a fight, not worth mentioning. Deadpool fought Danny and Cage at the same time. The "Iron Fist Killer" beat the crap out of Danny effortlessly, even when Luke and Misty interfered. He clawed Danny's shoulder ONCE and pretty much ended the fight then and there with a single blow(which is what Sabretooth will do) and then Danny got him at the last momement with a lucky blow.
Sabretooth needs one clean blow to win, Danny needs dozens. Sabretooth can tank Danny's best attack, Danny can't tank Creeds. Simple logic. Sabretooth wins, he beats any Immortal Weapon not named Prince of Orphans.
Originally posted by srankmissingninActing like you can dismiss fights because Sabretooth/Wolverine's powers weren't "clearly defined"... but accept a fight in clear ignorance of Danny's on-panel inability to call the Iron Fist after beign punched and he states on-panel he's fighting the worst he ever has? Hypocrite, says I. Danny can call the Iron Fist while half dead, before and after that fight, and will do so in a forum setting. And Danny isn't going to be fighting the worst he ever was in a forum setting. Hypocrite, says I.
Once Creed had his powers he walked all over Danny and needed a plot device for Danny to escape. Wolverine is in the same boat as Creed's first appearance fight. Iron Fist fought an undefined powerless Wolverine, the fight has no relevance to the current incarnation of the character. Mr. X fought Iron Fist for two panels. He got hit once, Iron Fist jumped across the table and Ghost phased him outside the window. Mr. X was fine it was barely a fight, not worth mentioning. Deadpool fought Danny and Cage at the same time. The "Iron Fist Killer" beat the crap out of Danny effortlessly, even when Luke and Misty interfered. He clawed Danny's shoulder ONCE and pretty much ended the fight then and there with a single blow(which is what Sabretooth will do) and then Danny got him at the last momement with a lucky blow.
Your shallow dismissals of Mr. X and Deadpool are just that: shallow. The Iron Fist Killer only beat Danny the first time because he could perfectly read his chi. As soon as Danny stripped himself utterly of chi against an opponent who was a bullet-timer speedster, and a hacker/slasher that could hurt Luke Cage, Danny beat him H2H. No. Chi. We're not stripping Danny of his chi here. What chance do you think Sabretooth has?
Originally posted by srankmissingninDanny needs one clean blow to win. He's one-shotted the Wrecking Crew and Luke Cage and others with non-Helicarrier/train busting Iron Fist shots. And they're all more durable to physical blunt force than Sabes. Sabes isn't going to get that one clean kill shot. He hasn't done so in a fight where Danny is fighting the worst he ever has and had no Iron Fist and isn't upgraded. Simple logic based on past feats and their actual encounters.
Sabretooth needs one clean blow to win, Danny needs dozens. Sabretooth can tank Danny's best attack, Danny can't tank Creeds. Simple logic. Sabretooth wins, he beats any Immortal Weapon not named Prince of Orphans.
Your opinion is duly noted, stomped into sh1t, and dismissed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Acting like you can dismiss fights because Sabretooth/Wolverine's powers weren't "clearly defined"... but accept a fight in clear ignorance of Danny's on-panel inability to call the Iron Fist after beign punched [b]and he states on-panel he's fighting the worst he ever has? Hypocrite, says I. Danny can call the Iron Fist while half dead, before and after that fight, and will do so in a forum setting. And Danny isn't going to be fighting the worst he ever was in a forum setting. Hypocrite, says I.
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Where is the hypocrisy? Those examples aren't even comparable. You cite examples of Iron Fist fighting characters prior to moment their skills and powers were established and pretend like that means something. Are you under the impression that those feats are retroactively impressive because of who Wolverine and Sabretooth became down the line? Well that isn't how things work. Iron Fist getting too battered to use the Iron Fist and saying that Creed is the most dangerous foe he has fought... what's the problem? I suppose you could say that him not being able to use the Iron Fist was a plot device, but the Iron Fist has been unreliable for the majority of his Danny's career, most of his appearances he could only use the thing once a day.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your shallow dismissals of Mr. X and Deadpool are just that: shallow. The Iron Fist Killer only beat Danny the first time because he could perfectly read his chi. As soon as Danny stripped himself utterly of chi against an opponent who was a bullet-timer speedster, and a hacker/slasher that could hurt Luke Cage, Danny beat him H2H. No. Chi. We're not stripping Danny of his chi here. What chance do you think Sabretooth has? Danny needs one clean blow to win. He's one-shotted the Wrecking Crew and Luke Cage and others with non-Helicarrier/train busting Iron Fist shots. And they're all more durable to physical blunt force than Sabes. Sabes isn't going to get that one clean kill shot. He hasn't done so in a fight where Danny is fighting the worst he ever has and had no Iron Fist and isn't upgraded. Simple logic based on past feats and their actual encounters.Your opinion is duly noted, stomped into sh1t, and dismissed.
Yeah because someone saying that a three panel "fight" isn't of much relevance is "shallow. " Come up with an example that is at least slightly relevant and I will acknowledge it. 🙄
Zhou Cheng was still beating on Danny when he stopped using his chi, dude virtually one shotted him with his claws (take note that because is what Creed will do) and Danny got him at the last second with a lucky blow (a lucky blow that wouldn't had put Creed down). If Zhou had a healing factor he would have won that fight hands down, and so will Sabretooth.
Luke's also eaten several Iron Fist's without going down, so have members of the Wrecking Crew (who also have jobbed to Danny and gone down to standard peak human attacks from Danny). Anyway Creed's durability and blunt force damage soak is irrelevant, it is his healing factor that compensates for the damage and not his innate durability. Creed will tank an Iron Fist with a grin on his face.
Sabretooth didn't get the kill shot because if he had Iron Fist would have been killed.... are you knew to reading comics? It's called a plot device. Sabretooth isn't forbidden form killing Danny in a forum match, so he will kill him. He had ample opportunity to do so in that fight and on the forum he will capitalize on those moments.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAnd you're citing to a fight where Danny can't use the Iron Fist and is fighting the worst he ever has as if it would be indicative of how a faster, more skilled, more powerful, currently upgraded Iron Fist would perform. Go figure, hypocrite. What's the problem? /shrug
Where is the hypocrisy? Those examples aren't even comparable. You cite examples of Iron Fist fighting characters prior to moment their skills and powers were established and pretend like that means something. Are you under the impression that those feats are retroactively impressive because of who Wolverine and Sabretooth became down the line? Well that isn't how things work. Iron Fist getting too battered to use the Iron Fist and saying that Creed is the most dangerous foe he has fought... what's the problem? I suppose you could say that him not being able to use the Iron Fist was a plot device, but the Iron Fist has been unreliable for the majority of his Danny's career, most of his appearances he could only use the thing once a day.
Originally posted by srankmissingninOh right. Like the briefness of a fight discounts its worth. Guess the Wolverine/DD three panel fight and the Wolverine/Shang-Chi three panel fight mean sh1t. Bring those up next time in a thread, please. I'd love to throw your reasoning right back in yor face.
Yeah because someone saying that a three panel "fight" isn't of much relevance is "shallow. " Come up with an example that is at least slightly relevant and I will acknowledge it.
Originally posted by srankmissingninZhou Cheng had to beat a non-chi using Danny senseless and toss him several stories up onto a roof before being able to topple him and set him up for being hacked and he still lost because he got his face blown through with a fist. Try and imagine Sabretooth in his position while Danny has his chi.
Zhou Cheng was still beating on Danny when he stopped using his chi, dude virtually one shotted him with his claws (take note that because is what Creed will do) and Danny got him at the last second with a lucky blow (a lucky blow that wouldn't had put Creed down). If Zhou had a healing factor he would have won that fight hands down, and so will Sabretooth.
Originally posted by srankmissingninLuke's been KTFO more than he hasn't by normal Iron Fists. Wrecking Crew didn't job to Danny, the several times he's KTFO them. Danny jobbed to Sabretooth by somehow being punched a few times and not being able to use his Iron Fist. Sabretooth being able to heal from damage isn't going to stop him from getting KTFO. You act like Iron Fist has never dealt with threats to his body from piercing damage. lawlz
Luke's also eaten several Iron Fist's without going down, so have members of the Wrecking Crew (who also have jobbed to Danny and gone down to standard peak human attacks from Danny). Anyway Creed's durability and blunt force damage soak is irrelevant, it is his healing factor that compensates for the damage and not his innate durability. Creed will tank an Iron Fist with a grin on his face.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIron Fist hasn't blown Sabretooth's head clean off his shoulders because of your incessant whining plea to comic book plot device as well since he's a hero. Iron Fist getting punched a few times isn't going to strip him of his Iron Fist. And a more powerful current Iron Fist, who has used it in worse situations, isn't going to fight the worst he ever has in a forum to ease your forlorn crush on a Wolverine-related character. A chi-less Iron Fist took down an opponent comparable to Sabretooth by capitalizing in a comic. Strip Danny utterly of his chi and you might have an argument. Now look at the thread op. Think. Rinse. Repeat.
Sabretooth didn't get the kill shot because if he had Iron Fist would have been killed.... are you knew to reading comics? It's called a plot device. Sabretooth isn't forbidden form killing Danny in a forum match, so he will kill him. He had ample opportunity to do so in that fight and on the forum he will capitalize on those moments.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you're citing to a fight where Danny can't use the Iron Fist and is fighting the worst he ever has as if it would be indicative of how a faster, more skilled, more powerful, currently upgraded Iron Fist would perform. Go figure, hypocrite. What's the problem? /shrug Oh right. Like the briefness of a fight discounts its worth. Guess the Wolverine/DD three panel fight and the Wolverine/Shang-Chi three panel fight mean sh1t. Bring those up next time in a thread, please. I'd love to throw your reasoning right back in yor face. Zhou Cheng had to beat a non-chi using Danny senseless and toss him several stories up onto a roof before being able to topple him and set him up for being hacked and he still lost because he got his face blown through with a fist. Try and imagine Sabretooth in his position while Danny has his chi. Luke's been KTFO more than he hasn't by normal Iron Fists. Wrecking Crew didn't job to Danny, the several times he's KTFO them. Danny jobbed to Sabretooth by somehow being punched a few times and not being able to use his Iron Fist. Sabretooth being able to heal from damage isn't going to stop him from getting KTFO. You act like Iron Fist has never dealt with threats to his body from piercing damage. lawlz Iron Fist hasn't blown Sabretooth's head clean off his shoulders because of your incessant whining plea to comic book plot device as well since he's a hero. Iron Fist getting punched a few times isn't going to strip him of his Iron Fist. And a more powerful current Iron Fist, who has used it in worse situations, isn't going to fight the worst he ever has in a forum to ease your forlorn crush on a Wolverine-related character. A chi-less Iron Fist took down an opponent comparable to Sabretooth by capitalizing in a comic. Strip Danny utterly of his chi and you might have an argument. Now look at the thread op. Think. Rinse. Repeat.
Why do your posts become a wall of text...
Why was Danny "fighting the worst he ever has"? Because Sabretooth railed him? That's not proof that Danny was fighting poorly, it's proof that Sabretooth is a ferocious fighter who outclasses Iron Fist in speed and strength, can shrug off all of Danny's attacks and is too much for Danny to handle.
Wolverine beat Shang-Chi in three panels. Iron Fist hit Mr. X once and jumped away and was BFR'd. One is a conclusive victory in spite of the short panel time (which makes it even more impressive), the other example is nothing and of little relevance to anything. I'd say I was surprised that you can't grasp the difference... but I'm not.
A chi less Iron Fist punch isn't going to go though Creed's face, and even if it did Creed shrugged off two sniper bullets to the skull even when his healing factor was almost completely burnt out. He'd be fine. Iron Fist vs Creed would play out similar to the fight with Zhou Cheng. Creed is stronger and faster, and unlike Zhou creed will shrug off Danny's best attacks.
Sabretooth's healing factor allows him to shrug off class 100 blows. He'll tank the Iron Fist and fillet Danny. That's how it is.
I really think that they were trying to imply that Shang Chi was suprised no super hero is going to own another super hero on-panel without circumstances. I'm pretty sure they were implying that Shang Chi didn't expect Wolverine to be that good, his combination of enhancements and training took Shang by suprise ie if they fought again Shang would have done better.