i'm not sure what an Elder predator brings to the table that other's dont other then experience and being older with some "old man muscle strength"
i mean can some one tell me what gear he would bring that Logan wouldnt confront from your standard Predator?
so far i am thinking:
lance
net
cloak
retractable claw
plasma cannon
laser net sticky wall tech
Originally posted by iceman24567
No matter how you put it Wolverine would get anal probed by two Elder Preds with all their tech
Originally posted by 753
wolverine loses, that's just it. they're too much for him , hand ninja dont bleed acid or shoot plasma blasts
Elders with all their tech rape Wolverine? What makes you so sure?
Have you been reading comics I haven't?
Did you catch a movie I somehow missed?
What exactly do you think an Elder Pred brings to the table that makes them so superior?
Because I can tell you flat out that the standard EQ for a Pred is pretty much the same their entire life and that the most fully stocked Predator we've seen to date as been the Wolf from AVPR and that was AFTER he snatched a bunch of crap off his dead ally so it was hardly "standard" gear.
In fact, there's actually evidence suggesting that Elder Preds begin stripping themselves of the need for tech at a certain point and rely more on their skills instead.
The only time we've seen anything even remotely close to being far outside the Predator "norm" in terms of gear is when Topknot and a platoon of Predators were using shoulder canons, wrist mounted canons, and a plasma rifles in tandum during a Predator Wartime.... Wartime being what was described as the ONLY time they bring such gear to a fight.
So no, Wolverine up against two predators may be a hard fight for him to win.... well... harder anyways... but they don't get an autowin for phantom tech that's for damned sure. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
Oy....Alright I can't stand watching this crap anymore... There's a LOT that needs to be cleared up in this thread.
First off. We've seen Predator equipment that can handle Alien acid to a fairly decent degree so it's pretty clear that while Aliens can burn (decompose) their way through most substances, they can't burn their way through every substance.
Besides that we know that you can use products like stainless steel in order to contain/transport things like hydrosulfurics. Adamantium treats steel like hot butter.
As someone as already mentioned acids have been used on Wolverine's skeleton already and while his flesh dissolved his skeleton did not.
As someone else mentioned, his bones have been described as unbreakable.. and proven to be against countless types of attacks, strains, and tests. If his skeleton was so easy to dissolve with acid I think it would have been attempted by now.Second... I've never understood why... and I never will... so many people hear "elder predator" and suddenly become under this trance that whatever they're fighting has no chance of victory. It's hilarious to me.
Elder predators are not gods of combat. They're just competent fighters as well as seasoned hunters.
That's something that has to be accounted for in this thread. Predators are not typically well versed in one on one combat, they're hunters.
Even Shorty who was a bug-hunt vet got his shit kicked in by Machiko a 5 foot 4 100 poun asian girl with a brown belt in unarmed 1on1 combat.
Now while the average predator can overpower, and out muscle your typical human, even your above average humans like dutch or his brother, none of those guys even comes close to being a physical threat to guys like Wolverine, Daredevil, Cap etc.... Even without powers Wolverine has one shot guys who make the Shaefer brothers look tiny by comparison, as DDD said before, he slings them arround like pillows.
When it comes to actually having to fight, Aliens are the cream of the crop for most hunters but even then look at some of their best warriors.
The Elder Broken tusk could take down what 5 or 6 aliens in combat and that was some feat for a predator. Maybe one of the best to date because other seasoned hunters like
Light Stepper (one handed pred) or Wolf (Avpr) couldn't take 1 damned predalien without serious issue in 1on1 combat.
Then you have novelizations and comics that have elders DIE in one on one combat with regular Xeno's...I mean I guess that taking out Aliens is supposed to be impressive but with Wolverine's powers I'm fairly confident that he would run wild on a number of them before going down. Look at his fight with the N'garai nation. He went to town on their entire brood who are all physically endowed enough to take on guys like Hulk or run through the best the danger room could offer with no resistance at all.
If you look at the best feats a predator can offer in skill, it comes off like a bare minimum of street level riffraff like Night Thrasher, nevermind street kings like Deadpool, or hell even Moonknight.
Finally as for the fight, CIS included, Aliens have a natural hostile response to Predators created by millions of years of evolution. Even though Wolverine is in the area they'll be more naturally inclined to attack the predators.
All that said, IF for some reason in this particular thread CIS doesn't apply to the AVP feud, then the hunters can win this.
All they have to do is sit back and wait for the Xeno's to attack Wolverine, then blast the Xeno's to hell spraying acid all over Wolves. That sets him up for a series of plasma blasts... and if he's still up after that they can end the fight by cutting him down with their nodachis. Luckly for them Predator weaponry is practically designed to deal with Wolverine by bleeding him out which would be fairly easy to do after all the aforementioned damage.
They can win this, but only by playing to their strengths and it isn't because ZOMG ELDERZ R UBER!1!
However, if they for some reason end up caught in a brawl with Wolverine up close, if he uses his senses to counter ambush them (as Aliens have done in the past) and draw them in close quarters, they're all phucked and they will be cut down just like the N'garai were.
Aliens go down no question and as for elders its a matter of keeping out of range as they do have a distance jump that will likely keep them out of range from logan where they can pelt him with plasma shots. But CIS on they WILL get in close for the fight and considering Logan has bested Ogun as well as other skilled melee fighters in skill as well as going toe to toe with bricks like the hulk in cqc I don't think they would stand much of a chance and Logan's blades could just cut through their cqc weapons.
I really d not know who would win but doesn't the predators have some type of liquid that they usually pour on people that they drop and this liquid disintegrate whatever it touches? If they drop logan with their plasma blast and they are aware of his healing factor, wouldn't they most likely pour this over his body to temporarily end the fight? I'm thinking an elder pred would do something like this.
Originally posted by Starscream M
don't underestimate an elder pred jinzin...they're more than a match for logan
PROVE it. 😐
I'm not underestimating shit!
Believe me, I've been a Predator fan since I could remember. It's the first R movie I ever watched and I've had an obsession with them ever since. An obsession rekindled as of this last summer due to the movie. In fact, I'm sculpting Predator figures RIGHT NOW.....
But in spite of seeing all the movies... OWNING all the movies, reading all the comics, owning most of them, owning most of the novelizations etc I have YET to see what exactly these elder Predators have done that affords them the hype they've been given on the forums.
As the last couple of posts prove:
Me: Here's why Predators are not going to curb Logan,
You guys: Predators will win.
That may not be the most accurate summary but it pretty much sums it up IMO.
Predators are hunters.... they're HUNTERS. They've perfected the skill of the hunt as best they can and most of their tactics involve ending conflicts in 1 hit kill fashion before they've even been made... What happens when they can't do that? They typically end up with a hard fight on their hands. They certainly seem to think the lone fact that they can't typically sneek up on Aliens makes Aliens the most dangerous game for them.
Hell, you'll find die hard Pred fans in the Hunters Lair giving Wolfman the edge in a fight between a Pred and himself.
Do date the baddest assed Elders we've seen in action were Wolf and Broken tusk, and neither of them displayed abilities far exceeding Wolverine's ability to curb in a 1on1 conflict. 😐
(And I'm a massive fan of BOTH of them)
You think otherwise? Show me WHY.
Originally posted by carver9
I really d not know who would win but doesn't the predators have some type of liquid that they usually pour on people that they drop and this liquid disintegrate whatever it touches? If they drop logan with their plasma blast and they are aware of his healing factor, wouldn't they most likely pour this over his body to temporarily end the fight? I'm thinking an elder pred would do something like this.
The only time that was displayed was in AVPR and it was some sort of substance Wolf literally sucked out of the Predator ship, It's definitely not standard gear, and even if it was, it'd only be "standard" for a cleaner like Wolf, he's not a normal Hunter by any means.