Wolverine vs two Predators and Two Aliens

Originally posted by jinzin
PROVE it. 😐

I'm not underestimating shit!

Believe me, I've been a Predator fan since I could remember. It's the first R movie I ever watched and I've had an obsession with them ever since. An obsession rekindled as of this last summer due to the movie. In fact, I'm sculpting Predator figures RIGHT NOW.....

But in spite of seeing all the movies... OWNING all the movies, reading all the comics, owning most of them, owning most of the novelizations etc I have YET to see what exactly these elder Predators have done that affords them the hype they've been given on the forums.

As the last couple of posts prove:
Me: Here's why Predators are not going to curb Logan,
You guys: Predators will win.

That may not be the most accurate summary but it pretty much sums it up IMO.

Predators are hunters.... they're HUNTERS. They've perfected the skill of the hunt as best they can and most of their tactics involve ending conflicts in 1 hit kill fashion before they've even been made... What happens when they can't do that? They typically end up with a hard fight on their hands. They certainly seem to think the lone fact that they can't typically sneek up on Aliens makes Aliens the most dangerous game for them.

Hell, you'll find die hard Pred fans in the Hunters Lair giving Wolfman the edge in a fight between a Pred and himself.

Do date the baddest assed Elders we've seen in action were Wolf and Broken tusk, and neither of them displayed abilities far exceeding Wolverine's ability to curb in a 1on1 conflict. 😐
(And I'm a massive fan of BOTH of them)
You think otherwise? Show me WHY.

The only time I seen a alien owned in h2h combat was due to plot (people covering themselves in mud). Is there a instance outside of this and no, I'm not saying that they could beat wolvy though... just asking).

Did you mean Predator?

Sure, there's plenty.
Dutch from the first movie has a brother in the Darkhorse comics who has a tendancy to dance with Preds one on one and he's beaten several in combat.
As I said before in a strict h2h fight with this woman Machiko a blooded bug hunting vet started to lose a fight with her until his friends began to cheat.
The newer/stronger/bigger Predators from the new film, Falconer Pred got killed in a sword duel with a mere Yakuza member.

There's a lot of instances of Preds getting killed off left and right when they lose their invisability. Colonial Marines have dropped them in droves.

They've never displayed mass amounts of skill in a h2h fight... because most Pred's are not technically fighters, they're hunters.
It's one of the major reasons that Bad-blood Predators are so dangerous.

Are any of you guys actually knowledgeable on Predator lore and canon, or do the movies just give you boners? Predator canon is full of normal human samurai, soldiers (past/present and future) killing Preds in one on one combat. Machiko only had a brown belt in Karate, and she has killed Predators in h2h and even Xenomorph Queens...

Do some research people.

^ even if you just watch the movies, wolverine kills them all handily. or at least could more times than not *shrug*

Originally posted by jinzin
This is EXACTLY the kind of crap I'm talking about.

Elders with all their tech rape Wolverine? What makes you so sure?

Have you been reading comics I haven't?
Did you catch a movie I somehow missed?

What exactly do you think an Elder Pred brings to the table that makes them so superior?

Because I can tell you flat out that the standard EQ for a Pred is pretty much the same their entire life and that the most fully stocked Predator we've seen to date as been the Wolf from AVPR and that was AFTER he snatched a bunch of crap off his dead ally so it was hardly "standard" gear.

In fact, there's actually evidence suggesting that Elder Preds begin stripping themselves of the need for tech at a certain point and rely more on their skills instead.

The only time we've seen anything even remotely close to being far outside the Predator "norm" in terms of gear is when Topknot and a platoon of Predators were using shoulder canons, wrist mounted canons, and a plasma rifles in tandum during a Predator Wartime.... Wartime being what was described as the ONLY time they bring such gear to a fight.

So no, Wolverine up against two predators may be a hard fight for him to win.... well... harder anyways... but they don't get an autowin for phantom tech that's for damned sure. 😐

Originally posted by 753
no one cares jinzin, do u know why?

That's usually the reason no one cares when it comes to facts versus "______ beats Wolverine BECAUSE!"

Originally posted by 753
logan is limited to h2h and the predators have range weapons like plasma cannons, not to mention the suicide bombs, as standard equipment.

Do I even need to BEGIN showing you how many times Logan's delt with lasers, beams and blasts like the plasma canons? He's fast enough to out pace them and out maneauver them (they're not fast weapons by any means) and his healing factor can help compensate for most damages that he would/might take.

Originally posted by 753
the xenomorphs on the other hand cant outbrawl him and come out on top, but that's just it, their blood will burn right through his body and they know how to use it as weapons. drip a good amount of it in his rib cage and he'll have no organs in a second, so if he goes for the usual berserk slash and dash against them, hell be ****ed. He won't win this

If he was berserker, Aliens would prove little more than a nuisance. 😐

The only way he'd lose his organs is if an Alien got gutted on top of him and he couldn't move out of the way of blood pouring out the wound for some reason...

You have to understand that his healing factor is QUICKLY going to compensate for tissue damage as soon as it's administered. Look at all the times he's run around burning up in infernos.

You're blowing the effectiveness of both species way out of proportion.

Most here give wolverine the wins he is due.

It's not an auto-win, he just cant take a majority against all 4, he gest 3 may be 4 out of 10. dealing with an alien without getting sprayed by blood is possible for him, but difficult, specially in the way logan usually fights and in a 2 vs 1 or 4 vs 1 scenario. While he is fast, he won't blitz them and they deliberately weaponize the blod during fights. Not to mention the predators could blow the aliens apart while they're engaging logan and give him an acid bath.

HF takes much longer to replace big losses of body mass.

Originally posted by 753
Most here give wolverine the wins he is due.

It's not an auto-win, he just cant take a majority against all 4, he gest 3 may be 4 out of 10. dealing with an alien without getting sprayed by blood is possible for him, but difficult, specially in the way logan usually fights and in a 2 vs 1 or 4 vs 1 scenario. While he is fast, he won't blitz them and they deliberately weaponize the blod during fights. Not to mention the predators could blow the aliens apart while they're engaging logan and give him an acid bath.

HF takes much longer to replace big losses of body mass.

All four in a melee confrontation lose this fight, if they try to snipe him or hunt him, the tide can EASILY turn because Wolverine has the unique ability of sighting them with his senses turning their own ambush tactics against them. Wolverine's well versed in gorilla tactics and doesn't take long to set up traps and the like, and those kind of jungle fighting tactics are pretty effective against Preds consistently.

Yes in any given scenario Wolverine would blitz an Alien or a Predator, his feats of speed outstrip theirs... BY FAR. It's not even remotely comparible.

And yeah I already said the best way for them to deal with Logan is for the Preds to fight smart and blow the aliens up when they go to confront him. It's the best chance this group has of winning.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are any of you guys actually knowledgeable on Predator lore and canon, or do the movies just give you boners? Predator canon is full of normal human samurai, soldiers (past/present and future) killing Preds in one on one combat. Machiko only had a brown belt in Karate, and she has killed Predators in h2h and even Xenomorph Queens...

Do some research people.

But.... but.. teh EldAR PRADATERZ!!1!
dur

Originally posted by jinzin
But.... but.. teh EldAR PRADATERZ!!1!
dur

If only Wolverine had a brown belt in karate like Machiko... 🙁

Wolverine wins almost everytime

Originally posted by jinzin
Funny, considering he's regrown arms in seconds, regrown from a skeleton in seconds, regrown a heart in seconds... etc..

All four in a melee confrontation lose this fight, if they try to snipe him or hunt him, the tide can EASILY turn because Wolverine has the unique ability of sighting them with his senses turning their own ambush tactics against them. Wolverine's well versed in gorilla tactics and doesn't take long to set up traps and the like, and those kind of jungle fighting tactics are pretty effective against Preds consistently.

Yes in any given scenario Wolverine would blitz an Alien or a Predator, his feats of speed outstrip theirs... BY FAR. It's not even remotely comparible.

And yeah I already said the best way for them to deal with Logan is for the Preds to fight smart and blow the aliens up when they go to confront him. It's the best chance this group has of winning. [/B]

Hmm interesting I think Wolverine can wins this. I would give Wolverine the majority over Cap and Blade. I hate wolverine and always low ball him. Oh and Wolverine can take class 100 shots without it being PIS. Feeeel the hate!!!!

Originally posted by 753
Not to mention he's been downed by four shots to the head by a class 10.

What instance are you talking about?

Originally posted by Deadline
Hmm interesting I think Wolverine can wins this. I would give Wolverine the majority over Cap and Blade. I hate wolverine and always low ball him. Oh and Wolverine can take class 100 shots without it being PIS. Feeeel the hate!!!!

Lol... I don't know if you are serious or not but at least you admitted that you dislike wolvy.

Originally posted by 753
Extremely inconsistant and it's taken him long enough to heal to count as a defeat several times, even in his best healing feats. Not to mention he's been downed by four shots to the head by a class 10.

No and no. He'll be sprayed in blood and downed by cumulative damage in an all out mellee with all 4 of them. He can't hide from them, so his guerrilla tactics will be futile and they don't have to set traps, just aim and blast the zone he is in to hell.

Inconsistent?
No.... he has higher level of healing feats than lower ones unless you're only reading his team books and Wayverine... and EVEN THEN X-Men legacy proved exactly what I'm talking about.
Wolverine was in an exploding Humvee and he walked out charred flesh, healed in no time.

The bottem line is that in terms of the melee that Preds and Aliens bring to the table, Wolverine can tank most of what they've got in stride. Has made a career of it actually. Most attacks are not taking off body parts.. Please, Dutch tanked a plasma blast to the chest and it only knocked him down.

I assume the four shot KO you're reffering to is Frankencastle? Pretty positive he was stronger than a class ten and it's a lower end feat that's in the low minoirty so I'm not sure what you think you're proving by lowballing Wolverine.

The only way Logan has a majority threat of losing a 4 on 1 melee is if everyone is prepared to fight him and he gets dropped in the middle of all 4 of them while they're already on the attack and EVEN THEN it'shard to give them the win. In a head to head confrontation they can't keep up with what Logan's dishing out, they're not fast enough to evade, not skilled enough to counter.... He'd destroy them and anyone with a novice familiarity of both franchises should know that.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't know if you are serious or not but at least you admitted that you dislike wolvy.

durverine

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What instance are you talking about?

prolly frankencastle people sometimes act like it's the definite wolverine showing

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't know if you are serious or not but at least you admitted that you dislike wolvy.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't know if you are serious or not but at least you admitted that you dislike wolvy.

I might have said something like that ages ago but thats only because certain posters were getting on my nerves, not because I actually hate the character. I've always liked the character.