Originally posted by 753
As I understand it, it's some kryptonian esoteric discipline that lets one focus one's mental energy to do some crap through the astral plane or whatever. They get TP resistance and might interact with others in psi battle, etc. Point is that it's an apparently learned gimmick, similar to moondragon's TP acquired through training.
Is that all it does? So does it also negate the opponents powers or something? People were using it in crazy ways years ago.
Originally posted by King Castle
look at the art and how old looks this didnt magically come up. its actually the opposite new writers have magically and selectively magically removed it for certain stories without rhyme or reason.a robotic double
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Mental/UncannyX-Men10009Mental.jpgignores Betsy's mind control and backhands her
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6725/roguebeatingpsylockegc3.jpg
Great post. Completely forgot about that telepath from the Imperial Guard.
Originally posted by Starscream M
lolso wolverine was always the right hand of god
wolverine always could tank a nuke
wolverine always could heal in a vat of molten lava
wolverine was always resistant to tp
etcetc
everytime I talk to you...wolverine gets a new power or upgrade
since his first mini
since warrior 2
that was jsut stupid
pretty much since he became an x-men, have you looked at how old some of those scans are?
No, it just I have to keep explain establish powers of his, becuase you remain woefully ignorant.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakI think there was some hyperbole about limitless potential, the user defining his own internal reality or whatever. Now that I think about it, I think SM did project hallucinations into the erradicators head like allankles said.
Is that all it does? So does it also negate the opponents powers or something? People were using it in crazy ways years ago.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganno red herrings...since I'm pointing out that wolverine today is vastly more powerful than he was even 10 years ago...his hf feats border on the ridiculous
we were discussing tp resistance's but now you wish to bring up red herrings, how wonderful.since his first mini
since warrior 2
that was jsut stupid
pretty much since he became an x-men, have you looked at how old some of those scans are?
No, it just I have to keep explain establish powers of his, becuase you remain woefully ignorant.
and they keep adding new things to his origin that border on the ridiculous...ie him battling an angel everytime he dies hence his immortality lol
he used to be just a hairy runt with anger issues
now he is like some messiah figure
Originally posted by Starscream Mstop baiting ppl.. 😬
lolso wolverine was always the right hand of god
wolverine always could tank a nuke
wolverine always could heal in a vat of molten lava
wolverine was always resistant to tp
etcetc
everytime I talk to you...wolverine gets a new power or upgrade
1) yes, logan should early in his career to be a champion of god
2) no, he could not always tank a nuke and its retarded. that is a retcon of the character by modern writers. and by tanking he still get's ko'ed temp killed and overall f#@#ed.
3) again no look ^
4) yes, wolverine was always Tp resistant from early classic Xavier, Jean, Betsy, Mesmeor... even able to see through illusions like mastermind father and daughter.
Originally posted by 753
I think there was some hyperbole about limitless potential, the user defining his own internal reality or whatever. Now that I think about it, I think SM did project hallucinations into the erradicators head like allankles said.
Right, well that's sounds unworkable from a story perspective. Best left a lone I guess.
Originally posted by Starscream M
no red herrings...since I'm pointing out that wolverine today is vastly more powerful than he was even 10 years ago...his hf feats border on the ridiculousand they keep adding new things to his origin that border on the ridiculous...ie him battling an angel everytime he dies hence his immortality lol
he used to be just a hairy runt with anger issues
now he is like some messiah figure
most of marvel hero's get upgraded over the years, trying to pretend this only happens to wolverine is absurd.
Not really, you just find things out and pretend there new when in fact they been part of his character for over a decade. Nice example.....except that power was taken away the same friggin issue it was revealed.......and it in no way shape or form made him more formiable.
no, that is just your ignorant simplistic view on a character you have veritually not knowledge of.
I assume you refferring to the hand of god refferences......which has been part of his character since his first mini........happen over two decades ago......
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyway back on topic, Wolverine has resistance to telepathy. I guess there's no denying that. Whether people like it or not or think it's right or wrong...we can't do anything about it, it is established.So I guess the next logical step would be to prove whether or not Current Gorilla Grodd is powerful enough to overcome Wolverine's defenses/resistances.
So one needs to provide feats for Post-Crisis Grodd to show that he is a high end telepathic user.
Swamp Thing Vol. 2 Annual #3
Took place post-crisis. Grodd mind controls Swamp Thing and drives him crazy. Then he proceeded to take over the minds of nearly every single gorilla in Africa (and, going by the Wolverine camp's analysis, animals are harder to control than people...), and THEN reached out and took control of Monsieur Mallah, Sam Simeon, Congorilla, the Gorilla Boss of Gotham, and B’wana Beast’s friend Djuba- all of which were scattered across the globe. All without prep or aid.
As the story went, and if Grodd would have managed to seize the powers of nature, he would have become omnipotent. The ritual he had to perform backfired or whatever, but everyone he was controlling snapped back to themselves without any idea of what had happened to themselves. Swamp Thing included.
I'll scrounge around my basement, but idk if I'll be able to find scans. Regardless, you have the issue number and such.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyway back on topic, Wolverine has resistance to telepathy. I guess there's no denying that. Whether people like it or not or think it's right or wrong...we can't do anything about it, it is established.So I guess the next logical step would be to prove whether or not Current Gorilla Grodd is powerful enough to overcome Wolverine's defenses/resistances.
So one needs to provide feats for Post-Crisis Grodd to show that he is a high end telepathic user.
Originally posted by Konton
Swamp Thing Vol. 2 Annual #3Took place post-crisis. Grodd mind controls Swamp Thing and drives him crazy. Then he proceeded to take over the minds of nearly every single gorilla in Africa (and, going by the Wolverine camp's analysis, animals are [b]harder
to control than people...), and THEN reached out and took control of Monsieur Mallah, Sam Simeon, Congorilla, the Gorilla Boss of Gotham, and B’wana Beast’s friend Djuba- all of which were scattered across the globe. All without prep or aid.As the story went, and if Grodd would have managed to seize the powers of nature, he would have become omnipotent. The ritual he had to perform backfired or whatever, but everyone he was controlling snapped back to themselves without any idea of what had happened to themselves. Swamp Thing included.
I'll scrounge around my basement, but idk if I'll be able to find scans. Regardless, you have the issue number and such. [/B]
That's pretty thorough. Issue number is generally enough. Consistency is key. If Grodd's post-crisis showings are consistent enough with what you've described then he could take it. That's what I think the counter-argument was. The Wolverine side initially expressed that they don't feel that his latest showings are on that level consistently.
