What's the most powerful force in Marvel U

Originally posted by quanchi112
hat's what she was capable of it was capable of not like she could actively resist Celestials, Galactus, Lt(who is the judge of the multiverse and has never been limited to all the power in one universe--you have no idea do you., King Thor, multiple pantheons, abstracts, heroes like they are insects.

Manipulating a timestream is manipulating a timestream that has nothing to do with say the power to judge the multiverse. I mean I know you can figure this out and anyone can see the error in your logic.

To manipulate in its totality within the palm of her hand so casually the entire matter and energy of 616, Jean Grey must have been wielding energies far greater than those contained within the universe otherwise it would not have been so casually achievable.

With that in mind, your argument is redundant.

Read my point, then look back at yours, repeat that process again and then restrain yourself from posting such nonsense. 😬

Luke Cage and Jessica Jone's new nanny for the baby. 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lt(who is the judge of the multiverse and has never been limited to all the power in one universe--

Precisely why the HOTI feat doesnt really say anything conclusive.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To manipulate in its totality within the palm of her hand so casually the entire matter and energy of 616, Jean Grey must have been wielding energies far greater than those contained within the universe otherwise it would not have been so casually achievable.

With that in mind, your argument is redundant.

Read my point, then look back at yours, repeat that process again and then restrain yourself from posting such nonsense. 😬

I don't need to reread anything. You need to drop the act and concede the Phoeniz is nowhere near Eternity level let alone the heart.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely why the HOTI feat doesnt really say anything conclusive.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That's different than something directly opposing you with greater power. Thanos dominated the judge of the multiverse like nothing. She could only hope to do so as at all let aloe casually.

I don't need to reread anything. You need to drop the act and concede the Phoeniz is nowhere near Eternity level let alone the heart.

What you dont seem to be capable of comprehending is that the abstracts and the sum of all they are, their power, their relevance are all summed up within the universe. They all tap into this single source of power, they all wield a portion of it.

Jean Grey manipulated all of that matter and energy casually in her palm without a hint of strain and within seconds. The difference power wise between what she did and little planet/solar system/ galaxy busting minor battles within the puny little universe she cradled is as aforementioned exponential.

As the Borg would say- Resistance is futile 😆

In a flash of anger Thanos with thoti absorbed an entire universe including lt and eternity...

He got angry and beat everyone... He didn't even try to beat them he just got mad and they were defeated...

Jean purposely exerted thought into manipulating the timestream... And saying that her power must have exceeded that universe because she affected the time stream does not mean she is master of all things In it... The fact that the living tribunal did not step in to oppose her indicates that what she was doing does not affect the greater mutliverse or even universe as a whole... She just wasn't big enough to care about... That is her power set... You wouldn't go to the lady death and be in awe if she casually killed someone...

Originally posted by quanchi112
So because he's far more powerful than universal power and the fact Thanos easily dominated him means nothing. Laughs out loud.

Nope. Because LT himself has no great feats of power. Thats just your opinion that hes FAR more greater than a universal power. Dont confuse his multiversal nature and authority with power

HOTI absorbing an LT Mbody doesnt necessarily say it is beyond LT because who is to say how power was invested in said Mbody 🙂

So all in all you have nothing conclusive or particularly of note to any of your arguments 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to be capable of comprehending is that the abstracts and the sum of all they are, their power, their relevance are all summed up within the universe. They all tap into this single source of power, they all wield a portion of it.

Jean Grey manipulated all of that matter and energy casually in her palm without a hint of strain and within seconds. The difference power wise between what she did and little planet/solar system/ galaxy busting minor battles within the puny little universe she cradled is as aforementioned exponential.

As the Borg would say- Resistance is futile 😆

Again, she wasn't opposed and it makes sense that she didn't merit any response as she wasn't even a threat to begin with like Thanos. Lt gets involved when something upsets the balance of th emulti she didn't so of course he didn't show up.

Heart>Lt>Eternity>Galactus>Phoenix.

Is Marvel: The End even canon?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Because LT himself has no great feats of power. Thats just your opinion that hes FAR more greater than a universal power. Dont confuse his multiversal nature and authority with power

HOTI absorbing an LT Mbody doesnt necessarily say it is beyond LT because who is to say how power was invested in said Mbody 🙂

So all in all you have nothing conclusive or particularly of note to any of your arguments 😬

Lt's power is confirmed on panel to be far greater than Eternity's which is the supreme force in the 616 reality.

Originally posted by Stall_19
Is Marvel: The End even canon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Does that matter ?

I guess not. I just wonder if the Heart exists in the 616 reality. I didn't read the comic so I was just curious.

Originally posted by Stall_19
I guess not. I just wonder if the Heart exists in the 616 reality.

Originally posted by rotiart
In a flash of anger Thanos with thoti absorbed an entire universe including lt and eternity...

He got angry and beat everyone... He didn't even try to beat them he just got mad and they were defeated...

Jean purposely exerted thought into manipulating the timestream...

Irrelevant. Its top feat is what it is. Out of pity for a universe the other avatars just said to leave to die, Jean casually manipulated all that it was composed of in her palm. Jean is just one of the hosts the Phoenix Force empowers. Jeans feats are greater than the HOTI's, the Phoenix Force is on another level.

Originally posted by rotiart
And saying that her power must have exceeded that universe because she affected the time stream does not mean she is master of all things In it... The fact that the living tribunal did not step in to oppose her indicates that what she was doing does not affect the greater mutliverse or even universe as a whole... She just wasn't big enough to care about... That is her power set... You wouldn't go to the lady death and be in awe if she casually killed someone...

LT wasnt present when the Chaos Wave caused havoc across the omniverse, he wasnt there when the M'kraan crystal threatened the multiverse in the Phoenix Saga and during the AOA.

With that in mind your logic just isnt sound. LTs no show is not an indication of an events insignificance.

Furthermore why would LT intervene in matters that are the jurisdiction of the Phoenix Consciousness anyway? 😕

Lt exists in any and all universes. If you see him (Ie what if issues) it's the same one regardless of the storyline. Whereas Phoenix in any particular storyline can be different versions of the same being... There is only one living tribunal... Whether those are M-bodies or not I'm not 100% sure... But it's only him...

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they don't. You show no understanding of any of these characters involved. Like the Lt taps into the universe's power his power far exceeds it. Eternity is the power of all time and the supreme being of the 616 reality.

Again, she wasn't opposed and it makes sense that she didn't merit any response as she wasn't even a threat to begin with like Thanos. Lt gets involved when something upsets the balance of th emulti she didn't so of course he didn't show up.

Heart>Lt>Eternity>Galactus>Phoenix.

Awful logic.

The abstracts all tap into the same power source, they all have a portion of the universe powers, if Jean can casually manipulate all of that energy in her palm then the abstracts clearly are not going to mean anything to her. The Phoenix Force itself is on another level.

Furthermore as stated on panel the universe that Eternity and the abstracts derive from is composed of the energies of the Phoenix Force 🙂

Please read some comics.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Awful logic.

The abstracts all tap into the same power source, they all have a portion of the universe powers, if Jean can casually manipulate all of that energy in her palm then the abstracts clearly are not going to mean anything to her. The Phoenix Force itself is on another level.

Furthermore as stated on panel the universe that Eternity and the abstracts derive from is composed of the energies of the Phoenix Force 🙂

Please read some comics.

That's irrelevant as Eternity is the master of this reality and not Phoenix. Lt is far more powerful than universal anyways. I mean this is just becoming a huge lesson here educating you.

Originally posted by rotiart
Lt exists in any and all universes. If you see him (Ie what if issues) it's the same one regardless of the storyline. Whereas Phoenix in any particular storyline can be different versions of the same being... There is only one living tribunal... Whether those are M-bodies or not I'm not 100% sure... But it's only him...

And yet that says nothing for the level of his power. Rachel Grey is the same. So is the Shadow King.

You confuse role and nature with power.

Power wise LT is challenged and forced to question his might against universal sources such as the IG whose power source by current continuity is the Phoenix Force 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet that says nothing for the level of his power. Rachel Grey is the same. So is the Shadow King.

You confuse role and nature with power.

Power wise LT is challenged and forced to question his might against universal sources such as the IG whose power source by current continuity is the Phoenix Force 😂