What's the most powerful force in Marvel U

Let's be clear about something. When Phoenix was stated as being the same energies that ignited the big bang that does not make her creation itself...

Invisible women can harm celestials because ironically her powers consist of Te same as theirs...

Living tribunal steps in when an abstract asks or he feels the multimeter is in danger as a whole...

During the infinity saga he was asked to empower the infinity gauntlet etc..

Korvac threatened to exceed his realm...

The chaos wave had greater influence due to extenuating circumstances and was not the scarlet witches actions alone...

It also did not endanger the greater universe but only changed it... Same as the Jean grey feat... Scarlet witch said no more mutants... Jean said Scott go hook up with emma...

And his not havinge to act during the mkrann can just as easily mean the multiverse was never in peril.... He is omniscient after all... Or a real deal of monkey pis...

Take your pic. Differences of opinions that's what we have. :-)

Oh an with the chaos king storming through reality to destroy creation itself where are either the pf or lt... If he succeeds both are out of a job... :-/

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I believe the Phoenix Force has greater feats which it does.

Confirmation of being a multiversal entity- check
The creation force that universes of the multiverse are composed of- check
The power that contained the multiversal destroying power of the m'kraan crystal- check
The power that empowered Jean Grey to manipulate a universe in her palm- check
The power that empowered Jean Grey to casually amputate and destroy 150yrs of timeline- check
The power that connected all realities of the multiverse to Otherworld- check
The power through which Necrom was compressing all realities of the multiverse into a singularity- check

Vs

A power that beat the powers of a single universe and an LT Mbody (LT's mbodys have been thwarted by Korvac and destroyed by Reed Richards inventions therefore its absorption at the hands of the HOTI doesnt say much 🙂 )

Please point me to ANY narration that says the LT that confronted Thanos was an M-Body. ANY narration. Plus, also give me any narration that says the M-body was weaker in power than the LT normal self. Some M-body are just as powerful and others are weaker. Please point me to any narration saying it was an m-body and then a weaker m-body

Originally posted by quanchi112
no, because no one is actively resisting her. She's that irrelevant. Eternity is the master of the 616 reality until the ig surpassed him. This was stated on panel.

That's irrelevant as Eternity is the master of this reality and not Phoenix. Lt is far more powerful than universal anyways. I mean this is just becoming a huge lesson here educating you.

The fact that no one was resisting is irrelevant when the difference in power level is so exponential. If Jeans power was tapped into 616s finite allocation of power then you would have an argument. However Jean is tapped into a source beyond that pocket of power, one that has no defined limit. Please try and acquire some common sense.

The abstracts are mere components of the little globe Jean cradled and had total atomic control of in her palm. Jean empowered by the Phoenix is on another level to them. The full Phoenix Force itself is the shit 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lt stated he could beat the ig. His power is multiversal. Saying it's only universal shows how behind the times you are.

Please go and read the relevant issue again.

LT doubted his power and said he was unsure about whether he could stand against the IG. He then talked adam out of a confrontation saying that together they would destroy the universe.

Multiversal in nature, nothing to show his power extends to that level.

Try again 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that no one was resisting is irrelevant when the difference in power level is so exponential. If Jeans power was tapped into 616s finite allocation of power then you would have an argument. However Jean is tapped into a source beyond that pocket of power, one that has no defined limit. Please try and acquire some common sense.

The abstracts are mere components of the little globe Jean cradled and had total atomic control of in her palm. Jean empowered by the Phoenix is on another level to them. The full Phoenix Force itself is the shit 🙂

The Phoenix will never ever manipulate the abstracts. I mean she's not even as impressive as the un which the press of a button can end and recreate the universe. Laughs.

And the Phoenix force is the same energies as the energies of creation right... Aka the primordial power... Same as that wielded by the elders of the universe and tenebrous and aegis? Etc..

It's funny though GS... you claim the Phoenix is the force above all and yet it's NEVER EVER seen during any crisis. During all the IG sagas why isn't it called on to help.. if according to you that would be all that is needed? Yet, when Marvel was bringing in the heavy players to battle an IG user or the Heart or CC... they never ever bring the Phoenix force in? kinda odd don't you think? Unless of course it isn't near as powerful as the you're trying to make it out to be.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please go and read the relevant issue again.

LT doubted his power and said he was unsure about whether he could stand against the IG. He then talked adam out of a confrontation saying that together they would destroy the universe.

Multiversal in nature, nothing to show his power extends to that level.

Try again 🙂

Originally posted by rotiart
Let's be clear about something. When Phoenix was stated as being the same energies that ignited the big bang that does not make her creation itself...

Invisible women can harm celestials because ironically her powers consist of Te same as theirs...

Living tribunal steps in when an abstract asks or he feels the multimeter is in danger as a whole...

During the infinity saga he was asked to empower the infinity gauntlet etc..

Korvac threatened to exceed his realm...

The chaos wave had greater influence due to extenuating circumstances and was not the scarlet witches actions alone...

It also did not endanger the greater universe but only changed it... Same as the Jean grey feat... Scarlet witch said no more mutants... Jean said Scott go hook up with emma...

And his not havinge to act during the mkrann can just as easily mean the multiverse was never in peril.... He is omniscient after all... Or a real deal of monkey pis...

Take your pic. Differences of opinions that's what we have. :-)

The Phoenix Force is the Big Bang literally and its role in the natural scheme of things is to trigger the creation event.

It is not merely the same energies that ignited the Big Bang. Thats your misunderstanding.

Your point about LT is speculation. Your guesswork not a conclusive counter. All we have is events of multiversal/omniversal consequence and sometimes he shows up, somehow he doesnt.

The objective thing to do would be to just accept that, we havent been given any conclusive info to explain why specific events he was a no show and others he showed up.

Because of your beliefs about how things are youre trying to press the idea that its because they were insignificant or not really a threat in the end. That is your speculation. Sometimes he shows up, sometimes he doesnt. Its as simple as that. There is no official reason given therefore despite your own beliefs as to why you cant make a conclusive point about the circumstances in which he was absent.

It is the role of the Phoenix to perpetuate evolution amongst other things, hence why Jean took the actions she did in New Xmen. LT has its given role just the same. You therefore cannot look at a no show of LT during Phoenixes feats which are well within her jurisdiction and try to make a point about their cosmic significance.

The logic is lacking 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
Infinite power is small time here. A Celestial has infinite power an dis on a higher scale than a cube being. It's like you're so dug in here you refuse to even have a clear understanding of the fact infinite power is small time. Eternity is on a much higher scale than the phoenix force.

The Phoenix will never ever manipulate the abstracts. I mean she's not even as impressive as the un which the press of a button can end and recreate the universe. Laughs.

As stated on panel the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang that the abstracts derive from.

Youve got it the wrong way here mate.

Before you continue to post/waste time please read some comics 🙂

Originally posted by rotiart
And the Phoenix force is the same energies as the energies of creation right... Aka the primordial power... Same as that wielded by the elders of the universe and tenebrous and aegis? Etc..

Nope. Wrong way around.

The Phoenix at a universal level is one and the same as the Big Bang. The Power Primordial is a derivative of the Big Bang.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He stated he did meaning he did have the power to wrest the ig from his grasp. Lt was not unsure of whether he believed he could or not.
You don't even comprehend what you read.

Your sentence doesnt even make sense.

He stated clear as day that he was unsure of whether he had the power to take the IG by Force. Its as simple as that.

Multiversal role and nature does not equate to a multiversal level of power.

Read some comics 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As stated on panel the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang that the abstracts derive from.

Youve got it the wrong way here mate.

Before you continue to post/waste time please read some comics 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's funny though GS... you claim the Phoenix is the force above all and yet it's NEVER EVER seen during any crisis. During all the IG sagas why isn't it called on to help.. if according to you that would be all that is needed? Yet, when Marvel was bringing in the heavy players to battle an IG user or the Heart or CC... they never ever bring the Phoenix force in? kinda odd don't you think? Unless of course it isn't near as powerful as the you're trying to make it out to be.

Where were the abstracts when the M'kraan crystal threatened the previous multiverse? Phoenix stopped it. When the crystal eventually destroyed the previous multiverse who was there to prepare the way for the next creation aiding Galactus' creation? Phoenix.

When the M'kraan crystal affected this multiverse who stopped it? 😖hifty:

Where was LT when the Chaos Wave crashed through existence?

You cant answer that. There are times when he shows, times when he doesnt. Its as simple as that. Therefore be a credible debater and learn objectivity 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does that have to do with their power level ? It's like saying Thanos can't ever create someone more powerful than himself such as Omega. Think, Apply logic. Learn.

As stated by Galactus and LT (and i will happily supply the scans from Quasar and Excalibur to shut you up if you wish 😄 )

The universes in Marvel are closed systems. After the Big Bang, all energy and matter that will ever be has been made. Energy just transfers from state to state, nothing new ( as in new energy) is created within the system. You just have a pocket of energy within reality and thats that till the end.

With that in mind, given that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang, that very source of power at a universal level, the abstracts within this closed system cant become greater than the Force. They can becme greater than each other by fighting over the ambient energy within, but the Phoenix Force in its totality isnt summed up by the universal Big Bang. It is a multiversal energy source as verified by its latest bio.

That is why Jean Grey just one of its hosts was able to display greater than universal power by manipulating 616 so casually in her palm.

The closed system model that operates within marvel destroys your argument. Im sorry mate 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force is the Big Bang literally and its role in the natural scheme of things is to trigger the creation event.

It is not merely the same energies that ignited the Big Bang. Thats your misunderstanding.

Your point about LT is speculation. Your guesswork not a conclusive counter. All we have is events of multiversal/omniversal consequence and sometimes he shows up, somehow he doesnt.

The objective thing to do would be to just accept that, we havent been given any conclusive info to explain why specific events he was a no show and others he showed up.

Because of your beliefs about how things are youre trying to press the idea that its because they were insignificant or not really a threat in the end. That is your speculation. Sometimes he shows up, sometimes he doesnt. Its as simple as that. There is no official reason given therefore despite your own beliefs as to why you cant make a conclusive point about the circumstances in which he was absent.

It is the role of the Phoenix to perpetuate evolution amongst other things, hence why Jean took the actions she did in New Xmen. LT has its given role just the same. You therefore cannot look at a no show of LT during Phoenixes feats which are well within her jurisdiction and try to make a point about their cosmic significance.

The logic is lacking 😬

Actually my logic is very bit the same as yours.. Exchange lt with pf... And bam... It's a fallacy of argument to apply negatives against my arguments without accepting a double standard with yours... :-/

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please point me to ANY narration that says the LT that confronted Thanos was an M-Body. ANY narration. Plus, also give me any narration that says the M-body was weaker in power than the LT normal self. Some M-body are just as powerful and others are weaker. Please point me to any narration saying it was an m-body and then a weaker m-body

Galactus > Pheonix Force
Living Tribubal >>>>> Galactus
Thotu >>>>>>> Living Tribunal

Kurupt Thanosi you are stepping in here like you actually know what you are talking about and have the audacity to ask me to direct you to evidence to cover basic well known facts.

Do a forum search for my user name and look at the scarlet witch thread i posted in and find the evidence in my posts. I dont cater for the ignorant, especially when they front like they know their shit but come up short.

Happy searching 🙂