Goku runs the Comic Characters Gauntlet

Originally posted by Sirius77
Sure. I'll show you a couple.

Superman:

"A nanosecond (ns) is one billionth of a second (10-9 s). One nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.7 years."

Reacts and moves and thinks at nanosecond speeds:

http://img511.imageshack.us/i/nanoseconduf2.jpg/

http://img262.imageshack.us/i/cityta4.jpg/

http://img117.imageshack.us/i/rebuildstaue7.jpg/

To show how he uses it:

http://img204.imageshack.us/i/69520627tb6.jpg/ (blitzing kryptonians)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/Supermanv2172pg13.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/Supermanvol2153-11.jpg

Now for Flash:

"A picosecond is 10−12 of a second. That is one trillionth, or one millionth of one millionth of a second, or 0.000 000 000 001 seconds. A picosecond is to one second as one second is to 31,700 years."

Flash defeats Professor Zoom in a picto second almost effortlessly:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem2.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem4.jpg

Here's Darkseid just because I mentioned him; a big rocky DC brick right?:

"A microsecond is an SI unit of time equal to one millionth (10-6) of a second."

He thinks in microseconds casually:

Counteracts superman's blitz, who moves and reacts at nanosecond speeds:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/003-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Reacts faster than Superman (who thinks and reacts at nanosecond time) can see or react to casually:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanvol2003p08.jpg

Flash, Superman, and even Darkseid are reacting and/or thinking at 1/1,000,000,000,000, 1/ 1,000,000,000, and 1/ 1,000,000 of a second each.

Flash, Superman or Darkseid would be perceiving years, centuries, or sometimes even millenniums pass before any of the aforementioned DBZ characters were thinking to clench their fists.

So you can see why 1/5, 1/10, 1/100, or even 1/1000 of a second is nothing to any of these characters. Prove to me that DBZ characters are even close to this level of speed. Combat, travel, reaction, or otherwise.

Sry for the late reply btw.

Ok... you don't know the difference between combat speed. I know that everyone and their grandmoma has a nano second reaction feat. I asked you to show me a COMBAT feat of him FIGHTING and doing all that I showed you within a short amount of time.

Thor has nano second feats and got blitzed by Wolverine and Mongoose along with Spidey. Combat feats are better. I'll be waiting on those feats of combat. You showed me him blitzing someone... I never said that he couldn't blitz, what I said is he doesn't have those type of combat feats. Him building a house or moving a limb at nano second isn't even close to being comparable to what I showed you.

I already know that flash has comparable feats to what I showed... that wasn't my dispute.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok... you don't know the difference between combat speed. I know that everyone and their grandmoma has a nano second reaction feat. I asked you to show me a COMBAT feat of him FIGHTING and doing all that I showed you within a short amount of time.

Thor has nano second feats and got blitzed by Wolverine and Mongoose along with Spidey. Combat feats are better. I'll be waiting on those feats of combat. You showed me him blitzing someone... I never said that he couldn't blitz, what I said is he doesn't have those type of combat feats. Him building a house or moving a limb at nano second isn't even close to being comparable to what I showed you.

I already know that flash has comparable feats to what I showed... that wasn't my dispute.

It's funny, because the scans that you showed me had nothing to do with nanosecond combat speed. Also 1/5 of a second is nothing. Like I said. Did you even read the scans?Flash literally fought, and defeated professor Zoom with a dwarf star punch in one one trillionth of a second. How is that not combat speed lol? Superman navigated his way out of that situation on the fly while counting in terms of billionths of a second. Look past your bias.

If you don't like that one, I could always bring up the feat in which superman fights the "Angel" in Obsidian Age and moves around the entire planet before anyone finishes a sentence. That kind of trumps moving around an arena kind of fast huh?

As far as Darkseid goes, it's the same concept as Thanos. He has shown time and time again to be able to battle nanosecond timers like it's nothing. Most New gods have. Like when Steppenwolf fought Bart.

Carver, if you're going to be a biased and basically troll and not prove what you're trying to argue, then there's nothing that I can say to you other than that when it comes to anything regarding DBZ, Wolverine, Hulk, Gladiator, Superman, or anything DC in general, everyone laughs at you man. Because you either lowball, or try to argue a feat that just isn't there.

Also what does it prove when Krillin and Roshi fought in 1/5 of a second? They were in an arena. Superman and Flash have feats where their individual fights carry them around the planet in a sentence. It took the Z fighters and super saiyan Goku like an episode each to travel across Namek. You can make the argument that Super saiyan Goku only had a minute, give or take, to do so, but this means nothing when you take into account that Superman can travel the span of a galaxy in a conversation and that Flash can run to the end of time before anyone can react.

You're asking me for combat speed feats. I gave them to you. Read the scans.

Now I'm asking you for combat speed feats from Goku. Feats that would challenge or trump those of Superman, Flash, Darkseid, Thanos, or anyone on the list really. I.e., nanospeed reaction feats or higher. If you cannot provide these, then everything about Goku having faster combat speed (or any type of speed) than any of the characters discussed is all basically extrapolation.

One more thing, bringing in wolverine blitzing someone is PIS. It's not even an argument. You know better.

Son, I am disappoint.

Originally posted by Sirius77
It's funny, because the scans that you showed me had nothing to do with nanosecond combat speed. Also 1/5 of a second is nothing. Like I said. Did you even read the scans?[B]Flash literally fought, and defeated professor Zoom with a dwarf star punch in one one trillionth of a second. How is that not combat speed lol? Superman navigated his way out of that situation on the fly while counting in terms of billionths of a second. Look past your bias.

If you don't like that one, I could always bring up the feat in which superman fights the "Angel" in Obsidian Age and moves around the entire planet before anyone finishes a sentence. That kind of trumps moving around an arena kind of fast huh?

As far as Darkseid goes, it's the same concept as Thanos. He has shown time and time again to be able to battle nanosecond timers like it's nothing. Most New gods have. Like when Steppenwolf fought Bart.

Carver, if you're going to be a biased and basically troll and not prove what you're trying to argue, then there's nothing that I can say to you other than that when it comes to anything regarding DBZ, Wolverine, Hulk, Gladiator, Superman, or anything DC in general, everyone laughs at you man. Because you either lowball, or try to argue a feat that just isn't there.

Also what does it prove when Krillin and Roshi fought in 1/5 of a second? They were in an arena. Superman and Flash have feats where their individual fights carry them around the planet in a sentence. It took the Z fighters and super saiyan Goku like an episode each to travel across Namek. You can make the argument that Super saiyan Goku only had a minute, give or take, to do so, but this means nothing when you take into account that Superman can travel the span of a galaxy in a conversation and that Flash can run to the end of time before anyone can react.

You're asking me for combat speed feats. I gave them to you. Read the scans.

Now I'm asking you for combat speed feats from Goku. Feats that would challenge or trump those of Superman, Flash, Darkseid, Thanos, or anyone on the list really. I.e., nanospeed reaction feats or higher. If you cannot provide these, then everything about Goku having faster combat speed (or any type of speed) than any of the characters discussed is all basically extrapolation.

One more thing, bringing in wolverine blitzing someone is PIS. It's not even an argument. You know better.

Son, I am disappoint. [/B]

I'm disappoint at you and YOU are low balling. First thing, it didn't take Goku any time to fly around Namek... don't kno where you got that from. Like I told you before, stop bring flash up, I'm not talking about him.

You also don't know the difference between combat speed and flight. I'm asking you to show me a combat scenerio involving anyone besides flash that similar to what I showed you and you bring up people flying around a planet. Is that the same as moving your limbs at tremendous speed... NO.

The sad thing is, you can't show me anything comparable to what I showed you. Roshi alone has feats moving his limbs over 2000 mps and he was a SNAIL to goku by the end of dragonball. When dragonball Z came across...by the frieza saga, Roshi speed was BS... frieza in his first form, he, krillin, could stand there and let roshi swing at them all day without him touching them.

That is why I am asking you for combat scenerios because roshi AND kami with his god eyes coudnt see Goku... too fast and these are people that can see bullets from a machine gun in slow motion.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshispeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=roshispeed.jpg

And roshi STILL couldn't see Goku who is MUCH bigger than bullets. This is a Goku that is FAR slower than his dbz counter part.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/gokusspeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=gokusspeed.jpg

Now remember... that was kid Goku, by the end of the last tournament after that scan, he received a MAJOR boost in speed (which was stated fromm popo's own mouth. So we have roshi, who can catch multiple of bullets from a machine gun (1200 mps) being unable to see a much faster, bigger than bullets target and this same target receiving a major speed boost by the end of db.

Then we have a continuous speed bosst throughout dbz. THEN we have goku as a child outpacing the solar flare.

Nano second ain't sh**.

Now again, show me some COMBAT scenerios.

If Bloodlust is one then he might stop at #4. Absorbing Man can combining the properties of previously absorbed material and was assimilating the abilities of a fraction of the Comsic Cubes.

If they are character then he might stop Thor & Superman.

Originally posted by Hellspawn28
If Bloodlust is one then he might stop at #4. Absorbing Man can combining the properties of previously absorbed material and was assimilating the abilities of a fraction of the Comsic Cubes.

If they are character then he might stop Thor & Superman.

Uuummm... absorbing man would get blitzed and thrown to the sun before he even realized there was a fight going on... same with Supes and Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm disappoint at you and YOU are low balling. First thing, it didn't take Goku any time to fly around Namek... don't kno where you got that from. Like I told you before, stop bring flash up, I'm not talking about him.

You also don't know the difference between combat speed and flight. I'm asking you to show me a combat scenerio involving anyone besides flash that similar to what I showed you and you bring up people flying around a planet. Is that the same as moving your limbs at tremendous speed... NO.

The sad thing is, you can't show me anything comparable to what I showed you. Roshi alone has feats moving his limbs over 2000 mps and he was a SNAIL to goku by the end of dragonball. When dragonball Z came across...by the frieza saga, Roshi speed was BS... frieza in his first form, he, krillin, could stand there and let roshi swing at them all day without him touching them.

That is why I am asking you for combat scenerios because roshi AND kami with his god eyes coudnt see Goku... too fast and these are people that can see bullets from a machine gun in slow motion.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshispeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=roshispeed.jpg

And roshi STILL couldn't see Goku who is MUCH bigger than bullets. This is a Goku that is FAR slower than his dbz counter part.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/gokusspeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=gokusspeed.jpg

Now remember... that was kid Goku, by the end of the last tournament after that scan, he received a MAJOR boost in speed (which was stated fromm popo's own mouth. So we have roshi, who can catch multiple of bullets from a machine gun (1200 mps) being unable to see a much faster, bigger than bullets target and this same target receiving a major speed boost by the end of db.

Then we have a continuous speed bosst throughout dbz. THEN we have goku as a child outpacing the solar flare.

Nano second ain't sh**.

Now again, show me some COMBAT scenerios.

Lol @ all of this.

First off, let me clarify your own words for you like I always do every time we have a disagreement in any thread. You never excluded Flash. You're the one that said that Goku would get past Flash. Which obviously includes Flash, so unless you want to argue with yourself about Flash being on the list (Which he is) the intent of the OP, then I'd retract that statement.

Now, on to the rest of this ridiculous nonsense. So Roshi can catch bullets and he's slow to Goku. Who cares. None of them move at lihtspeed anyway. It was out right stated by Goku that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in DBZ. Guess how fast it moves... at light speed. Let's talk about how the technique works shall we? It separates the users particles and allows them to travel at light speed where ever they wish to go. Superman, Flash, and a lot of others on the list can move, react, and do battle at faster than light speeds. So Goku's fastest technique, supersaiyan 1,2,3, or 4, is slow compared to most of these character's base level speed.

Also, look at my scans again. Most are battle feats as they were all used in a battle. As far as superman building things very quickly and moving his arms really fast, you're probably wondering: "how is that superior to Goku doing the same?". Well, I'll answer you, it's because Goku's speed, in all of his history has never been clocked. Superman's has. Several times. After IC, and many times before it even, he has been implied to be , or explicitly stated to be, a nanosecond timer.

So just because you lack the reading comprehension to fully understand a scan that is right in front of you saying what you asked for, does not shift the burden upon me to give you more evidence. You are the one that has claimed that Dragon Ball Z characters are faster or as fast as light. As a result, the burden of proof falls on you. Now prove it with scans. Not meaningless extrapolations or fallacious arguments. Actual scans from the manga that prove the ability of Dragon Ball Z characters... any Dragon Ball Z characters to move faster than, close to, or the actual speed of light, without instant transmission. Combat, travel or otherwise.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm... absorbing man would get blitzed and thrown to the sun before he even realized there was a fight going on... same with Supes and Thor.

When has Goku ever thrown someone into the sun?? 😆

So suppose Goku is capable of throwing Superman or thor into the sun before either one them turns him inside out or shoves a big viking artifact up his ass. Superman gets amped and Thor gets pissed. Either scenario results in Goku being killed by accident. Clark will feel sorry, Thor won't give a shit.

Originally posted by Sirius77
It was out right stated by Goku that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in DBZ. Guess how fast it moves... at light speed.

After reading this, I lost all respect for you and your information on DBZ. The instant transmission isn't light speed, its INSTANTANEOUS movement. That's how Goku was able to travel billions of light years in seconds. You got that from the english version of the anime (instant transmission=light speed). The japenese version and the manga states it as instant teleportation which it is.

Superman isn't close to that type of speed... not even in his wet dreams and flash had to amp in order to become that fast.

I'm no longer discussing anything about dbz with you... you need to do more research before discussing the topic.

Instant transmission is faster than light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
After reading this, I lost all respect for you and your information on DBZ. The instant transmission isn't light speed, its INSTANTANEOUS movement. That's how Goku was able to travel billions of light years in seconds. You got that from the english version of the anime (instant transmission=light speed). The japenese version and the manga states it as instant teleportation which it is.

Superman isn't close to that type of speed... not even in his wet dreams and flash had to amp in order to become that fast.

I'm no longer discussing anything about dbz with you... you need to do more research before discussing the topic.

Cool story bro.

Oh so now travelling billions of light years is a travel feat when it's a character you like? Makes sense. So when superman does it under his own power through flight, it's not ftl, but when Goku does it, it is? 😬

So then in the Frieza vs Thanos thread, when you were posting youtube videos of the American dub of Dragon Ball Z, you were essentially trolling, or you're just purposefully picking and choosing which versions to represent your argument in a rather dishonorable attempt to win an argument (and doing a not so good job...). Even if it means contradicting your previous claims. Also, it was never stated which version. Just Goku.

So you've specified the version we're using now? Cool. Now provide me with evidence that any DBZ character has nanosecond reaction time. Or if you can't, then don't, but don't give me some piss poor excuse about how you're "soooo apalled" at my actions. Seriously. Put up or shut up. I've had enough of your dodging.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Cool story bro.

Oh so now travelling billions of light years is a travel feat when it's a character you like? Makes sense. So when superman does it under his own power through flight, it's not ftl, but when Goku does it, it is? 😬

So then in the Frieza vs Thanos thread, when you were posting youtube videos of the American dub of Dragon Ball Z, you were essentially trolling, or you're just purposefully picking and choosing which versions to represent your argument in a rather dishonorable attempt to win an argument (and doing a not so good job...). Even if it means contradicting your previous claims. Also, it was never stated which version. Just Goku.

So you've specified the version we're using now? Cool. Now provide me with evidence that any DBZ character has nanosecond reaction time. Or if you can't, then don't, but don't give me some piss poor excuse about how you're "soooo apalled" at my actions. Seriously. Put up or shut up. I've had enough of your dodging.

Lol... you are cool with me sirius. I will respond to this post when I wake up... about to go to bed. Before I go, just wanted to advise that when I posted vids, I never used the statements that came from the vids, just the feats.

Goku still stops at Superman and might stop at Flash. 131

I see him stopping at Adam and Flash stomps Goku into kibbles and bits

Originally posted by StyleTime
Goku still stops at Superman and might stop at Flash. 131

Going by feats black hair Goku STOMPS Superman and then proceed at taking out Flash. Once he reach Thor and Supes, he goes Super Saiyan and takes them out and gets to the skyfathers and lose due to Versatility.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Cool story bro.

Oh so now travelling billions of light years is a travel feat when it's a character you like? Makes sense. So when superman does it under his own power through flight, it's not ftl, but when Goku does it, it is? 😬

So then in the Frieza vs Thanos thread, when you were posting youtube videos of the American dub of Dragon Ball Z, you were essentially trolling, or you're just purposefully picking and choosing which versions to represent your argument in a rather dishonorable attempt to win an argument (and doing a not so good job...). Even if it means contradicting your previous claims. Also, it was never stated which version. Just Goku.

So you've specified the version we're using now? Cool. Now provide me with evidence that any DBZ character has nanosecond reaction time. Or if you can't, then don't, but don't give me some piss poor excuse about how you're "soooo apalled" at my actions. Seriously. Put up or shut up. I've had enough of your dodging.

I never said that Supes couldn't travel through space at light speed. If rogue from the xmen can do it along with Ironman, why can't Supes? Supes sure as hell isn't faster than instant transmission and he sure as hell doesn't have ONE feat of him COMBATING at light speed. Flying through space... sure, he has that, combating? You'll never find it buddy just like I won't find rogue or vulcan or Ironman combating at light speeds even though they have flown through space at those speeds.

You asked for a light speed feat... well I got one for ya. How about kid goku out racing the solar flare which is solar energy emitted from a z fighters body. Well, tien did the solar flare, goku out raced it, grabbed rishi glasses, put them on and ran back to his spot before the flare touched him. A ftl feat and that was from kid goku.

You can use any version of goku you want, no matter how you look at it, he still stomps. Everyone here would be hard pressed at even seeing him and doesn't have the feats showing that they can detect things moving at super speed... especially gokus speed.

Black hair goku is enough... super saiyan 3 is a major and serious, outright STOMP imo.

Goku can't even go light speed without instant transmission, even in SSJ3 mode.
It took SSJ3 Gotenks nearly all of his fusion time just to lap the world. When you move at light speed (not to mention the multiple X light speed that Flash moves at.) you lap the world 7 times per second.
The solar flare doesn't move at light speed. No character in the original Dragonball could move at mach 100, let alone light speed.
Flash has been shown to fight at levels that makes Superman seem slow. When Flash fought Zoom, They were fighting so fast that Superman barely moved, even when they were lapping the world fighting each other.
Flash could Kill Goku ten times over in the time it would take Goku to blink.
Saying that Superman would have trouble even against SSJ3 Goku is laughable. Supes rapestomps with his pinkie finger.

Originally posted by MadMel
Goku can't even go light speed without instant transmission, even in SSJ3 mode.
It took SSJ3 Gotenks nearly all of his fusion time just to lap the world. When you move at light speed (not to mention the multiple X light speed that Flash moves at.) you lap the world 7 times per second.
The solar flare doesn't move at light speed. No character in the original Dragonball could move at mach 100, let alone light speed.
Flash has been shown to fight at levels that makes Superman seem slow. When Flash fought Zoom, They were fighting so fast that Superman barely moved, even when they were lapping the world fighting each other.
Flash could Kill Goku ten times over in the time it would take Goku to blink.
Saying that Superman would have trouble even against SSJ3 Goku is laughable. Supes rapestomps with his pinkie finger.

This feat alone put Roshi reflexes over mach 100.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshispeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=roshispeed.jpg

Goku a couple of fights after this speed was on another entirely different level.

How isn't solar energy light speed? You are seriously lowballing. Its solar energy... solar energy is faster than light, goku out paced this and performed things before it touched him.

Lol... Gotenks flew around the world a couple of times and then landed on a rock and "TOOK A NAP". Gotenks did a light speed feat as well... its just that simple. His time went away due to resting, not flying and when was it stated that was Gotenks flying at his max?

Superman would get crushed by Goku and with CIS on, Flash is getting blitzed.

Originally posted by carver9
This feat alone put Roshi reflexes over mach 100.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshispeed.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=roshispeed.jpg

Goku a couple of fights after this speed was on another entirely different level.

How isn't solar energy light speed? You are seriously lowballing. Its solar energy... solar energy is faster than light, goku out paced this and performed things before it touched him.

Lol... Gotenks flew around the world a couple of times and then landed on a rock and "TOOK A NAP". Gotenks did a light speed feat as well... its just that simple. His time went away due to resting, not flying and when was it stated that was Gotenks flying at his max?

Superman would get crushed by Goku and with CIS on, Flash is getting blitzed.

He still has never moved FTL without instant transmission. No DBZ character has ever gone light speed without instant transmission. Fact.

And you're being a raging fanboy. Goku dodged the attack, because it isn't FTL. Again, no character in the original dragonball showed anything faster than mach 100, and even that is a stretch.

I'd also like to point out - If Goku could ever move FTL before learning instant transmission, why did he almost die on Namek? Freeza told him had had 'about a minute left to get back to his [Goku's] ship'. It took Goku that entire minute just to reach Freeza's broken ship, and only by pure luck stumble on a Ginyu force ship. If he could move FTL, he could have found his own ship and left before Freeza would have the time to say "Go!"

Gotenks still never moved FTL. It's heavily implied that he was flying at max speed, because he was trying to show off. It still took him a great deal of time to do so (compared to moving FTL).

And lastly - Superman can destroy planets by sneezing on them, or simply by fighting on them (The latter example is when he is under a red sun, and is much weaker than normal).
Hell, pre-crisis superman could destroy entire galaxies by sneezing on them.
On top of this, post-crisis Supes best strength feat is lifting 250 quintillion tons with one hand. Goku, even in SSJ1-3 still has trouble lifting buildings and mountains. Sure he can destroy them easily enough, but he can't physically lift them. The mountains in question would only be 150 billion tons.
IOW, Supes lifting strength is most likely a trillion times greater than Goku's.

In terms of speed, Supes can move from the earth to the sun in seconds. This puts him far above lightspeed. Compared to someone who can only move FTL with instant transmission, this is a serious advantage to Supes.

In terms of fighting skill. Depends on which version of Supes. Some versions he has no real h2h skill, but in others he's had more than 100 years worth of h2h training. Not that it matters, as Supes could pop Goku's head with his pinkie finger faster than Goku can react.

In terms of durability. Supes can tank galaxy destroying blasts and come out merely stunned. Even with his great weakness of kryptonite on his person he can survive ground zero of a nuclear strike. Even in the few times were Superman has died the light of the sun always revives him. In short, Goku has nothing here either.

Given these facts, there is nothing left to argue. Superman wins flat out.
Also given that the Flash is faster, and can increase his strength temporarily to points where he can hurts Supes himself, he also wins.
Anyways, Even if Goku tried to put up a fight, Flash can always use the 'freeze people in place' technique that he used on Zoom.

Don't get me wrong. I like DBZ more than I will ever like Marvel or DC, but this is simply a fight Goku can't win.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I see him stopping at Adam and Flash stomps Goku into kibbles and bits

Mainly, I don't know his best durability and reaction feats. I'm too lazy to go into the respect thread. 😛

Originally posted by carver9
Going by feats black hair Goku STOMPS Superman and then proceed at taking out Flash. Once he reach Thor and Supes, he goes Super Saiyan and takes them out and gets to the skyfathers and lose due to Versatility.

Originally posted by MadMel
No it doesn't. Mach 3-5 at the very most.

He still has never moved FTL without instant transmission. No DBZ character has ever gone light speed without instant transmission. Fact.

And you're being a raging fanboy. Goku dodged the attack, because it isn't FTL. Again, no character in the original dragonball showed anything faster than mach 100, and even that is a stretch.

I'd also like to point out - If Goku could ever move FTL before learning instant transmission, why did he almost die on Namek? Freeza told him had had 'about a minute left to get back to his [Goku's] ship'. It took Goku that entire minute just to reach Freeza's broken ship, and only by pure luck stumble on a Ginyu force ship. If he could move FTL, he could have found his own ship and left before Freeza would have the time to say "Go!"

Gotenks still never moved FTL. It's heavily implied that he was flying at max speed, because he was trying to show off. It still took him a great deal of time to do so (compared to moving FTL).

And lastly - Superman can destroy planets by sneezing on them, or simply by fighting on them (The latter example is when he is under a red sun, and is much weaker than normal).
Hell, pre-crisis superman could destroy entire galaxies by sneezing on them.
On top of this, post-crisis Supes best strength feat is lifting 250 quintillion tons with one hand. Goku, even in SSJ1-3 still has trouble lifting buildings and mountains. Sure he can destroy them easily enough, but he can't physically lift them. The mountains in question would only be 150 billion tons.
IOW, Supes lifting strength is most likely a trillion times greater than Goku's.

In terms of speed, Supes can move from the earth to the sun in seconds. This puts him far above lightspeed. Compared to someone who can only move FTL with instant transmission, this is a serious advantage to Supes.

In terms of fighting skill. Depends on which version of Supes. Some versions he has no real h2h skill, but in others he's had more than 100 years worth of h2h training. Not that it matters, as Supes could pop Goku's head with his pinkie finger faster than Goku can react.

In terms of durability. Supes can tank galaxy destroying blasts and come out merely stunned. Even with his great weakness of kryptonite on his person he can survive ground zero of a nuclear strike. Even in the few times were Superman has died the light of the sun always revives him. In short, Goku has nothing here either.

Given these facts, there is nothing left to argue. Superman wins flat out.
Also given that the Flash is faster, and can increase his strength temporarily to points where he can hurts Supes himself, he also wins.
Anyways, Even if Goku tried to put up a fight, Flash can always use the 'freeze people in place' technique that he used on Zoom.

Don't get me wrong. I like DBZ more than I will ever like Marvel or DC, but this is simply a fight Goku can't win.

Machine gun bullets goes around or above 1200 mps. Roshi caught MULTIPLE of these types of bullets going this fast and he did it easily. That put his speed above the speed of the bullets since he caught multiple of them in a short period of time again, with ease. His reflexes is above mach 100.

As for your gotenks flying around the world... the panel clearly show you he did this at no time at all. Then he took a nap. No matter how you look at it buddy, that's ftl, and the amount of panel he flew around the earth proves this.

Lol... first thing Goku body was almost broken after his long a** fight against frieza so I am pretty sure he wasn't at his max. THEN hit didn't even take him that much time to find a ship. You all are nit picking. How about I nit pick then. Equus lined 8 humans up in a row and was planning on killing them with a machine gun. He fire the gun at them, Superman is about a couple of yards away and witness this. He fly over to try to save them but they ended up dieing and he stated that he wasn't fast enough. Light could have crossed the world 8 times and still had enough time to make it to catch those bullets.

Lololololhahahah... are you implying that it takes galaxy destroying blast to stop Superman.lol.

Ok, first thing, you are referring to the mag head feat. Lol... Superman absorbed the blast because it was anti sunlight... it was basically solar energy... the stuff Superman is powered by. Of coarse he will tank it, its his power source but that has nothing to do with tanking a galaxy destroying blast. Then we have another encounter where he is fling through space and the bomb that he is carrying has enough power to shed a galaxy. The bomb explodes, the only thing that hits Superman is the shockwaves from the bomb NOT the blast itself.

Another thing, Superman has been damaged/hurt by doctors light blast, a blast from doctor poloris, he has recently been stabbed through the body by numerous of blades and almost died, a blast from a gl has hurt him and the list goes on. It doesn't take a Galaxy destroying blast to stop him. A imperiex probe had to build a device in order to shed planet earth... it didn't have the necessarry power. This same imperiex probe DROPPED Superman with a blast. Another imperiex probe energy koed Superman after self destructing and remember, a probe had to build a device to destroy a planet like earth.

I don't get your argument about flying to the sun in seconds. Ironman has done this and he would still get blitzed by Goku. Space flight doesn't equal combat speed buddy.

Lifting feat. Goku punching power is greater. Hundreds of people don't have lifting feats but has given Superman a challenge and actually defeated him. Superman was dropped by konvikt and konvikt doesn't have a lifting feat under his belt. The General has taken down the entire JLA including Superman and he doesn't have a lifting feat. Doomsday killed Superman and he doesn't have a lifting feat. Lifting feats are overated. Frieza alone at his weakest was punching Goku so hard that it was sending shockwaves, visible shockwaves across planet Namek.

Lol at Superman being able to sneeze and destroy a planet. I wonder why it took the entire kryptonian race recenetly to stop a moon from destroying earth and it took the entire race to put the moon back into place. I wonder why Superman, Kara, and Superboy almost died because they were unable to stop brainiacs ship? You don't know anything about the character. Stop going to the respect thread, full of lies.

Black hair Goku stomps.