Originally posted by -Pr-
and the same can be said of half a dozen characters. we still use their average feats as a component.
Average Grey Hulk feats may not apply to WWH because he is much more powerful. Peak Glad maybe exempt from average showings because what affects normal Glad may not affect peak Glads.
If this is "peak confidence" gladiator of course we would use his high end feats. I don't get how this is even a discussion.
The stipulations of the OP state this is gladiator at his best according to what his powers give him (aka peak confidence). It's like saying superman when he's been in a yellow sun for 1000 years. It would be ridiculous to have superman's average showings as evidence to how he would do in that fight. We would use his highest showings as a minimum and of course showing of when he has been in a yellow sun for extended periods of time and extrapolate from there.
It's no different for gladiator. If we have some evidence that his high showings are when he's more confident, it's perfectly legitimate to use those cases and not his average showings.
99% of the threads here are variations of a characters average showing. We give them advantages and tools or give them additional weaknesses to discuss what would happen. Putting gladiator at peak confidence is no difference than giving thor his belt of strength except it's a little harder to gauge when gladiator is actually at peak confidence. The showings we use change based on the OP's stipulations and peak confidence is an OP stipulation.
as for the actual question, I think i'd give gladiator a slight majority, just based on how superman has done vs GL. Still think hal can beat him if he plans it out better but he rarely does in comics.
Originally posted by Deadline
Average Grey Hulk feats may not apply to WWH because he is much more powerful. Peak Glad maybe exempt from average showings because what affects normal Glad may not affect peak Glads.
not the same thing. and if anyone were to qualify as a loophole, it would be the hulk.
Originally posted by -Pr-
not the same thing. and if anyone were to qualify as a loophole, it would be the hulk.
I really think you missed the point. Does this help?
Originally posted by bobbi
Putting gladiator at peak confidence is no difference than giving thor his belt of strength except it's a little harder to gauge when gladiator is actually at peak confidence. The showings we use change based on the OP's stipulations and peak confidence is an OP stipulation.
Or is this not the same thing either?
Originally posted by Deadline
I really think you missed the point. Does this help?Or is this not the same thing either?
i didn't miss the point, and i did read what he said; i just disagree with it.
and even if i did agree, it's not up for discussion unless the OP said "only high feats."
i don't believe they did.
Pr, you have given us no reason not to think this is the same as every other stipulation from an OP besides "we always do average showings" which we've given examples as to not being true.
Your stance basically denies gladiators power completely. You're saying his confidence has absolutely no effect on how powerful he is. You say that gladiator's average showings should be equivalent to his showing at peak confidence.
Therefore you think gladiator at peak confidence is no stronger than he is at average confidence which makes no sense for the character.
Let me try to break this down for you.
1) The OP said gladiator at peak confidence.
2) gladiator gets stronger the more confident he is
Therefore gladiator at peak confidence is stronger than when he is at average confidence.
3) gladiator should be at average confidence an average amount of the time
4) gladiators average showing should be at average confidence.
Therefore gladiator at peak confidence should be stronger than his average showing.
5) The only showings stronger than his average showings are showings with his high end feats.
Therefore gladiator at peak confidence should have a strength more equal to the showings in his high end feats.
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—Related forms
peakless, adjective
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—Antonyms
4. abyss, nadir.
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Originally posted by Rhiaggo
Hal has far more power to play wth, but Glad's physical attributes are just a bt overwhealming in this situation. What it would come down to is Glad's speed vs Hal's norman human reaction, an a speedster will always win in ths case.
Hal can teleport and he's not exactly a slow flyer.
Originally posted by bobbi
You're saying his confidence has absolutely no effect on how powerful he is.
no i didn't.
Originally posted by Don Corleone
peak :–noun
1. the pointed top of a mountain or ridge.
2. a mountain with a pointed summit.
3. the pointed top of anything.
4. the highest or most important point or level: the peak of her political career.
5. the maximum point, degree, or volume of anything: Oil prices reached their peak last year.
6. a time of the day or year when traffic, use, demand, etc., is greatest and charges, fares, or the like are at the maximum: Early evening is the peak on commuter railroads.
7. the higher fare, charges, etc., during such a period: If you fly during the Christmas holidays, you'll have to pay peak.
8. Physics .
a. the maximum value of a quantity during a specified time interval: a voltage peak.
b. the maximum power consumed or produced by a unit or group of units in a stated period of time.
9. a projecting point: the peak of a man's beard.
10. widow's peak.
11. a projecting front piece, or visor, of a cap.
12. Phonetics . nucleus ( def. 8a ) .
13. Nautical .
a. the contracted part of a ship's hull at the bow or the stern.
b. the upper after corner of a sail that is extended by a gaff.
c. the outer extremity of a gaff.
–verb (used without object)
14. to project in a peak.
15. to attain a peak of activity, development, popularity, etc.: The artist peaked in the 1950s.
–verb (used with object)
16. Nautical . to raise the after end of (a yard, gaff, etc.) to or toward an angle above the horizontal.
–adjective
17. being at the point of maximum frequency, intensity, use, etc.; busiest or most active: Hotel rooms are most expensive during the peak travel seasons.
18. constituting the highest or maximum level, volume, etc.; optimal; prime: a machine running at peak performance.
Use peak in a Sentence
See images of peak
Search peak on the Web--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Origin:
1520–30; perh. < MLG pçk pick, pike—Related forms
peakless, adjective
peaklike, adjective—Synonyms
2, 4. pinnacle. 4. acme, zenith.—Antonyms
4. abyss, nadir.We clear children ?
a simple yay or nay would have been fine.
