Revamping the tierings/power levels in comics...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And come to think about it, Rulk appeared in 2008; 2 years ago and thrashed King Thor and punched out Uatu...

No, the insane feats continue...they arent as numerous as they once was.

That's a new character, anyway.

Insane feats for standard characters still happen, but they're much less the norm than they once were. Maybe creating a Black Hole for the Surfer was the last huge one I can remember for any character, and that was 2006? Thor hasn't had anything, Superman hasn't had anything, Green Lantern hasn't had anything, etc.

It's all just space cheese anyway, though.

This tier suggestion places far too much emphasis on the collateral damage aspect.

I like the thinking. But you have to distinguish between power level and power-set. People like Thor and Norrin have power-sets that allow them to perform,amazing feats, so it makes sense when they do crazy stuff like create a black hole. Power level is a different beast all together.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You think Surfer destroying Galactus level beings and Thor busting Celestials makes sense...wow...just wow.

🙁

These guys epitomize the concept of the super hero, so trying to put a strict cap on them is a pointless excercise. Different writers will have different power levels for these characters. PC Superman was the way he was becuse at the time he was considered the epitome of power as far as superheroes go. Some writers will still see him that way.

As far as Surfer defeating Galactus level beings goes: I said he manipulated energy that could fell such beings. I didn't say he had the power to do it, but that he could manipulate an energy wave powerful enough to do it. Reading comprehension dude.

And busting a Celestial's armor isn't far fetched for Thor.

Originally posted by Desaad
Superman hasn't had anything

read Superman Beyond.

Thanos is a skyfather.. that is the only correction needed to our current system

Originally posted by Allankles
These guys epitomize the concept of the super hero, so trying to put a strict cap on them is a pointless excercise. Different writers will have different power levels for these characters. PC Superman was the way he was becuse at the time he was considered the epitome of power as far as superheroes go. Some writers will still see him that way.

As far as Surfer defeating Galactus level beings goes: I said he manipulated energy that could fell such beings. I didn't say he had the power to do it, but that he could manipulate an energy wave powerful enough to do it. Reading comprehension dude.

And busting a Celestial's armor isn't far fetched for Thor.

I know exactly what happened with Surfer and A&T and I know about Thor breaking a hole in Exitars armor; I excell at reading comprehension btw...

And I still contend that the Surfer being able to manipulate the Big Crunch energies was a feat far beyond what a high herald should be able to do; thats something that should be the strict province of an Abstract or High Powered Cosmic...not someone as far down the totem pole as the Silver Surfer.

As for Thor breaking a hole in Celestial Armor, the 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with its punches but Thor can pierce it with Mjolnir!?

No...just no...feats like those just contribute to the inflation effect in comics.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I know exactly what happened with Surfer and A&T and I know about Thor breaking a hole in Exitars armor; I excell at reading comprehension btw...

And I still contend that the Surfer being able to manipulate the Big Crunch energies was a feat far beyond what a high herald should be able to do; thats something that should be the strict province of an Abstract or High Powered Cosmic...not someone as far down the totem pole as the Silver Surfer.

As for Thor breaking a hole in Celestial Armor, the 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with its punches but Thor can pierce it with Mjolnir!?

No...just no...feats like those just contribute to the inflation effect in comics.

Thor also damaged one with a godblast but it didn't really damage the celestial at all in terms of their capabilities so what's your problem with it ? Seriously, I mean Thor ran off Galactus with one prior to so if anything they are being consistent.

You have to be a high elder god to destroy a sun?

That is retarded. Nova is an elder god now then I guess.

Correction.

HIGH elder god

I am just pointing out inconsistencies Quan...

And Odin damaged the Celestials Armor with the Oversword of Asgard...not with punches; my contention is that if the 2000ft Destroyer couldnt damage Celestials with blunt attacks, then neither should Thor be able to...come on man...think.

@Gecko

If you disagree with my tierings, create a tier list that makes sense and scales appropiately then; and keep in mind what it means for the characters above High Elder God when you have High Elder Gods going beyond what I have them doing...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You have to be a high elder god to destroy a sun?

That is retarded. Nova is an elder god now then I guess.

Correction.

HIGH elder god

If Nova can destroy a star, then Nova should be retconned...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I am just pointing out inconsistencies Quan...

And Odin damaged the Celestials Armor with the Oversword of Asgard...not with punches; my contention is that if the 2000ft Destroyer couldnt damage Celestials with blunt attacks, then neither should Thor be able to...come on man...think.

@Gecko

If you disagree with my tierings, create a tier list that makes sense and scales appropiately then; and keep in mind what it means for the characters above High Elder God when you have High Elder Gods going beyond what I have them doing...

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Thor damage a celestial's armor off a punch ? What are you even talking about ?

Ok, I'll take it slow with you Quan...

Thor damaged Celestial Armor (Exitars) with a hammer strike...which is a blunt attack.

The 2000ft Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with a punch...which is a blunt attack.

If the 2000ft Destroyer failed to harm Celestial Armor with a blunt attack, then Thor should fail to do so as well...especially since the Destroyer Armor is supposed to be more durable than Thors hammer.

Got it?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Gecko

If you disagree with my tierings, create a tier list that makes sense and scales appropiately then; and keep in mind what it means for the characters above High Elder God when you have High Elder Gods going beyond what I have them doing...

The fact of the matter is that your "new" system fails not only one 1 level but multiple levels and goes against DECADES of established continuaty in the medium it is seeking to "organize"

I never said Thor damaged Celestial Armor with a punch btw...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Dont tempt me.

I encourage you to do so; thats what I asked you all to do in the OP...

Just make sure its consistent and makes sense though...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Dont tempt me.

The fact of the matter is that your "new" system fails not only one 1 level but multiple levels and goes against DECADES of established continuaty in the medium it is seeking to "organize"

The same continuity that has high heralds shaking the universe as a side effect of their battles?

The same continuity that has Skyfathers threatening the entire universe as a side effect of their battles?

The same continuity that has the Hulk DESTROYING an entire dimension with a thunder clap?

With that in mind I propose that your "DECADES of establish continuity" is severely broken then...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@carver9

Hmmm, you do have a point; I havent seen much in the way of the insane feats that we've been subject to in decades past...

But without some guildelines in place (maybe they have them now...who knows), I am certain that they'll resurface...

Edit: Hulk was going to bust Earth during World War Hulk wasnt he? He didnt actually do it, but since this occured 3 years ago, it goes to show that the writers still have it in them to have herald level characters busting planets...

The only reason rulk did so good against thor was due to his power absorption... if it wasn't for that, odin force thor would have rocked him.

You can't find thor or supes or hulk doing those insane things that they use to do back in the early to late 90s... it just doesn't exist anymore. Then if you look at everything that has recently happened with each character, you can tell that they have been placed at their normal power level. In the past writers use to state that thor could crush planets and had him doing planetary feats... currently, one writer stated that he is physically equal to ares and another stated that it would take thor years to destroy a planet and even then, he still might not be able to do it.

We have people saying that hulk culd destroy planets but yet he strained to pull planet sakaar back together.

We also had a writer state that surfer isn't a planetary threat (even though a couple of month before saying this, he shedded a small planet just by powering up). Then we had surfer casually being defeated by some norm space ships during the beta ray bill saga but back in the day he busted through ships like candy.

Then we have supes destroying a moon but being koed afterwards and it taking the entire kryptonian race to move a moom whereas back in the 90s it took only 3 members of the jla to actually accomplish these types of feats.

I never depected these people as planetary level beings from the get go because they do not have the feats. Look at thanos (even though he is very powerful)... he was pissed that he was brought back and wasn't holding anything back while blasting away... why wasn't he creating nuke like explosions or busrting planets up during this rage like people portray him as being capable of doing. Even if he was at 50% of his power, if you are able to shed planets, you should be cable of outright destroying a city with a casual blast.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok, I'll take it slow with you Quan...

Thor damaged Celestial Armor (Exitars) with a hammer strike...which is a blunt attack.

The 2000ft Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with a punch...which is a blunt attack.

If the 2000ft Destroyer failed to harm Celestial Armor with a blunt attack, then Thor should fail to do so as well...especially since the Destroyer Armor is supposed to be more durable than Thors hammer.

Got it?

Thor was amped when he did this.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor was amped when he did this.

Thor had his Battle Armor (which ups his durability) and his Belt of Power (which doubles his strength)...

Even with those items, he shouldnt be able to strike with 1/10000 of the force that the 2000ft Destroyer (which contained the spirits of Odin plus all the asgardians at the time) could strike with...