Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thor had his Battle Armor (which ups his durability) and his Belt of Power (which doubles his strength)...Even with those items, he shouldnt be able to strike with 1/10000 of the force that the 2000ft Destroyer (which contained the spirits of Odin plus all the asgardians at the time) could strike with...
OMG how could I forget this "feat". LoM it's actually worse than you describe. It wasn't just Odin + all Asgard in the Destroyer Armor. The Destroyer Armor was gifted by power from the heads of all the Pantheons on Earth. So it was Odin + all Asgard + the fraction of power bestowed upon the Destroyer armor by all the Skyfathers on Earth failing to dent a Celestial. But Thor + Belt of Strength + "Thor Armor" punching a whole in Arshiem's armor.
Unbelievable.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThen what's your problem with both being able to destroy Celestial armor yet both being incapable of doing any real damage to one.
I never said Thor damaged Celestial Armor with a punch btw...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderWhen did Odin use a hammer ? He didn't so what's so wrong with both the hammer and the sword doing damage......seriously ?
Ok, I'll take it slow with you Quan...Thor damaged Celestial Armor (Exitars) with a hammer strike...which is a blunt attack.
The 2000ft Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with a punch...which is a blunt attack.
If the 2000ft Destroyer failed to harm Celestial Armor with a blunt attack, then Thor should fail to do so as well...especially since the Destroyer Armor is supposed to be more durable than Thors hammer.
Got it?
So what ? Neither did any real damage that couldn't be immediately restored so you're just trying to decide what counts and what doesn't which is the most biased way of thinking of all.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Odin+Zeus+Vishnu combined there might and couldnt even put a scratch on one, then thor comes along and shatters through one of there armors .......
Ah ha, I forgot this too. Colossus is right, three high level (the most powerful?) skyfathers combine their blast and Arshiem didn't even get tickled. Thor smashes Exitar's ("who dwarfs even Arshiem in size and power"😉armor all by his lonesome? Very very bad writing.
Originally posted by zopzopNah, that was a very good story and excellent writing.
Ah ha, I forgot this too. Colossus is right, three high level (the most powerful?) skyfathers combine their blast and Arshiem didn't even get tickled. Thor smashes Exitar's ("who dwarfs even Arshiem in size and power"😉armor all by his lonesome? Very very bad writing.
@ the "took the entire Kryptonian race to move the Moon" part, I look at it the same way as I do the scene of COIE where it took dozens of heroes (a few of which were planet movers) to keep the Monitor's satellite from crashing/falling apart. It's a matter of dramatic tension causing an exaggeration of the challenge/understatement of the powers. IE: PIS.
Also was there actual indicators that the entire pop of NK was required?
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CWriter's don't adhere to these mysterious power levels so to speak and it's still very apparent even though Thor did so that Odin is still more powerful than he is. Feats are window dressing is all.
not really iirc a high herald level person came along and destroyed arishems hand(or one of them i cant remember)not to mention thor went toe-to-toe with odin in the same arc , i have the scans
Originally posted by Omega Vision
@ the "took the entire Kryptonian race to move the Moon" part, I look at it the same way as I do the scene of COIE where it took dozens of heroes (a few of which were planet movers) to keep the Monitor's satellite from crashing/falling apart. It's a matter of dramatic tension causing an exaggeration of the challenge/understatement of the powers. IE: PIS.Also was there actual indicators that the entire pop of NK was required?
it was Robinson; nobody cares.
Originally posted by zopzop
Ah ha, I forgot this too. Colossus is right, three high level (the most powerful?) skyfathers combine their blast and Arshiem didn't even get tickled. Thor smashes Exitar's ("who dwarfs even Arshiem in size and power"😉armor all by his lonesome? Very very bad writing.
Only if one assumes that Exitar's shell is necessarily as stronger or stronger than Arishem's.
The fact that Thor was able to break through it, and that Susan Storm was able to totally destroy it, indicates that it is not -- especially when one recalls that for all of Thor's efforts, he didn't actually hurt Exitar.
He could be more powerful, and simply have a weaker shell.
Originally posted by Desaad
Only if one assumes that Exitar's shell is necessarily as stronger or stronger than Arishem's.The fact that Thor was able to break through it, and that Susan Storm was able to totally destroy it, indicates that it is not -- especially when one recalls that for all of Thor's efforts, he didn't actually hurt Exitar.
He could be more powerful, and simply have a weaker shell.
Sue Storm killing Exitar had to do with the fact that her force fields come from the same power source as the Celestials energy or something. It was PIS/CIS at it's finest but at least they gave an explanation.
Thor has no such excuse. Exitar > all the 4th Host. Hence why it's annoying.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sue Storm killing Exitar had to do with the fact that her force fields come from the same power source as the Celestials energy or something. It was PIS/CIS at it's finest but at least they gave an explanation.Thor has no such excuse. Exitar > all the 4th Host. Hence why it's annoying.
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Originally posted by quanchi112im going to have to agree with this as well. the majority of people who read comics are looking for a good story rather than making sure that they toe the line with what we view them able to do.
Wow, I finally agree with you well for the end part. I never really got into placing characters into these categories as it's different writers and different opinions and us the fans trying to make logical sense of it all is just never going to happen.
not to say we here shouldnt categorize them. just that the comic book companies shouldnt change the way they write stories just to make the lives of some nerds who argue if superman beats thor, easier.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
not to say we here shouldnt categorize them. just that the comic book companies shouldnt change the way they write stories just to make the lives of some nerds who argue if superman beats thor, easier.
Wanda Maximoff and MJJ blowing up (or having the ability to blow up) the OMNIverse while the second in command in MU (the LT) is only a MULTIversal power, is moronic.
Franklin RIchards and Jamie Broddock having universal level feats that even Eternity or Infinity don't have is moronic.
Two Thors clanging hammers and shaking the universe while no upper level abstraction has ever been shown doing such is moronic.
Odin and Seth almost destroying all creation as an after effect of their throw down screams idiocy. The entire Infinity Gauntlet affair, with almost all the cosmic hierarchy was still only a problem for ONE universe.
Surtur displaying MORE destructive power output by just forging his sword than the combined assault of the cosmic hierarchy vs Thanos with the IG is moronic.
How are you supposed to write interesting stories with garbage like that flying around? Marvel, I cant' speak for DC, needs a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" type story where everything is reset and they start over again. Because as it is now, what can the next "big thing" villain do that's not already been done 3 times over by human mutants?
What's greater than an OMNIverse?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I know exactly what happened with Surfer and A&T and I know about Thor breaking a hole in Exitars armor; I excell at reading comprehension btw...And I still contend that the Surfer being able to manipulate the Big Crunch energies was a feat far beyond what a high herald should be able to do; thats something that should be the strict province of an Abstract or High Powered Cosmic...not someone as far down the totem pole as the Silver Surfer.
As for Thor breaking a hole in Celestial Armor, the 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer failed to damage Celestial Armor with its punches but Thor can pierce it with Mjolnir!?
No...just no...feats like those just contribute to the inflation effect in comics.
Eh, you have to keep in mind that "high herald" is a forum tier, not one enforced in the comics. So given the circumstances I don't see what's so far fetched about Surfer at his utmost limit directing energies to destroy foes like T&A after deflecting/manipulating a very potent energy stream.
As far as Thor busting armor, again remember in the comics he's a bonified god, not a high herald (as the forums determine by averages), so with that in mind, how is it far fetched? You mention later how the gods failed to stop the 4th celestial host, I always felt that story gimped the gods a little.
I mean celestials are not quite the type of meta cosmic entities to dust off an attack from a concert of the most powerful gods in the MU like it's nothing.
Should the celestials prevail? Sure, given how they've been depicted, but they should take some losses too. Writing about characters with a great deal of power (or lack thereof) doesn't mean you stop telling a story.