PM is durable but lacking in offensive power and vulnerable to being quickly frozen or melted. Ronan can easly do both with the UW.
Flash has the power to take BRB out, but the reciprocal is also true. It could go either way.
Over all, the annihilators have more top tiers with nastier attitudes than the JLers.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
ronan is being underestimated here.
he can matter manipulate, gravity manipulate, and a superior combatant. his Universal Weapon (hammer) is pretty darned powerful.
Matter manipulation probably won't work. He has total control over his body and was immune to Circe, IIRC.
BTW, he is also immune to telepathy and magnetism.
Surfer is eating anyone on the other team in one-on-one, can bfr except Kyle, can find back in seconds his teammates that are bfr, and can ruin the days of Sups woth his cosmic awarness, and matter/energy manipulation. If Surfer begin to bfr peeps, this is done. Also, he's very, very resistant to telepathy, so MM will not be a trouble for him.
Beta Ray Bill and Gladiator have only Surfer and Sups that are more powerful than them. It could be argue that Gladiator is the third fastest character behind Wally and Surfer.
Bats and Aquaman?! They are non factors. When your least powerful teammate is Ronan, this is saying something. What these two are going to do?
The only scenario that MIGHT result in a victory for the JLA is this: MM use his telepathy to destroy the condience of Gladiator, and proceed to take him out. Then, he has to go against Ronan, beat him fast, and go help Sups for finishing his opponent. If Surfer or BRB don't bfr people, JLA MIGHT win. Every other scenarios ends with Annhilators winning over/stomping JLA.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Beta Ray Bill and Gladiator have only Surfer and Sups that are more powerful than them. It could be argue that Gladiator is the third fastest character behind Wally and Surfer.
And either of them'd lose certainly to one of the JLA's herald levelers plus Zauriel or Plastic Man.
Bats and Aquaman?! They are non factors. When your least powerful teammate is Ronan, this is saying something. What these two are going to do?
Assist someone else?
Distractions, aids, etc.. Not major... but hey, it's still 7:5 even without them, and Aquaman's not so weak that someone like Ronan wouldn't at least feel him.
Batman's also the best tactician in the field, to help them pick the pairings.
The only scenario that MIGHT result in a victory for the JLA is this: MM use his telepathy to destroy the condience of Gladiator, and proceed to take him out. Then, he has to go against Ronan, beat him fast, and go help Sups for finishing his opponent. If Surfer or BRB don't bfr people, JLA MIGHT win. Every other scenarios ends with Annhilators winning over/stomping JLA.
What about the fact that they can assign a herald-level to every Annihilator and still have players left over?
Or have every non-herald pile on Ronan and free up a herald. Even Surfer'll lose solidly to a two-on-one.
I don't see how it's "Every other scenario ends with Annihilators stomping," when most of the time it'd be real fights to beat the JLA's herald-levelers one on one... and the JLA has two high metas in addition to throw the odds off, and are way more experienced working together.
Originally posted by Q99
And either of them'd lose certainly to one of the JLA's herald levelers plus Zauriel or Plastic Man.Assist someone else?
Distractions, aids, etc.. Not major... but hey, it's still 7:5 even without them, and Aquaman's not so weak that someone like Ronan wouldn't at least feel him.
Batman's also the best tactician in the field, to help them pick the pairings.
What about the fact that they can assign a herald-level to every Annihilator and still have players left over?
Or have every non-herald pile on Ronan and free up a herald. Even Surfer'll lose solidly to a two-on-one.
I don't see how it's "Every other scenario ends with Annihilators stomping," when most of the time it'd be real fights to beat the JLA's herald-levelers one on one... and the JLA has two high metas in addition to throw the odds off, and are way more experienced working together.
Batman would get mauled by anyone in team 1 with one shot. And Ronan is leagues above Aquaman. Being the weakest member of team 1 don't mean that he's feeble: it means that team 1 is stacked to the bone.
And seriously, against who someone like Surfer would have trouble?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
ure kidding me with bats, plas, and aquaman holding off ronan right?
flash aint takin out Bill just like that.
wondy and zauriel may slow down wendell.
supes and gladz is basically a stalemate.
Surfer is gonna eat up anyone on the JLA. even a duo.
Batman has held off Amazo on his own. Plastic Man has gone toe to toe with Fernus the Burning, a fully unleashed Martian. Aquaman has taken out Martians with ease.
What?
And I specifically picked this team because I think it's a decent match up. yeah, put up Orion and Barda and the JLA wins, but that's not the team I put up because I want a good fight, not a landslide victory.
The other thing to keep in mind -- teamwork. How well will the Annihilators work, especially as compared to the JLA?
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Batman would get mauled by anyone in team 1 with one shot. And Ronan is leagues above Aquaman. Being the weakest member of team 1 don't mean that he's feeble: it means that team 1 is stacked to the bone.
Ok, you seem to be overlooking these are in addition to stronger members. That is to say, the people on team 1 won't be concentrating on them if they know what's good for them.
Someone doesn't need to be as strong as their foe if they're merely helping out. By definition, it's not one on one.
And seriously, against who someone like Surfer would have trouble?
Team 2 can afford to stick two herald-levels on him and still have strong people on every other opponent. Let's say Wondy and Kyle. Together. At once.
753
But most of their pile-up crowd isn't really up to the task.
Here's the thing about a pile-up crowd; If you have collective power to hold someone off, they don't need to be individually on the same level, especially if you have a high meta up front to take the brunt. That's the point of a pile-up.
Tehre is also the matter of weakness exploitation.
Of which only two of the JLA's herald types have significant ones, and due to superior numbers and teamwork they are quite good at defending against weakness exploitation.
The JLA has more fighters who are powerful than the Annihilators do, meaning they can pin down someone who's trying to exploit weaknesses and put someone else against them. This is standard JLA procedure. It's even been called standard procedure on-panel.
They'll have more room to think, more room to pick foes, because they simply have more people period. Every Annihilator will always have someone in their face, while the JLAers can do that, and have people floating around to switch out JLAers in trouble or take back-shots. A back-shot from Zauriel will hurt most Annihilators considerably.
In regards of who is more powerful on the field it is ranked like this:
1. Silver Surfer
2. Gladiator
3. Beta Ray
The rest are...
4. Superman= Green Lantern
5. Wonderwoman
6. Quasar
7. Flash
Etc... etc...
Annihilators would destroy them...
Silver Surfer being the most powerful. Beta Ray Bill being powerful as well and being the most ruthless. Gladiator physically being the most powerful. These 3 alone is overkill. Team 1 9/10.
Originally posted by Desaad
And I specifically picked this team because I think it's a decent match up. yeah, put up Orion and Barda and the JLA wins, but that's not the team I put up because I want a good fight, not a landslide victory.The other thing to keep in mind -- teamwork. How well will the Annihilators work, especially as compared to the JLA?
True. I think JLA have better teamwork, but not by much. Morrison's team was somewhat unbalanced in terms of chemistry.
Originally posted by Q99
Ok, you seem to be overlooking these are in addition to stronger members. That is to say, the people on team 1 won't be concentrating on them if they know what's good for them.Someone doesn't need to be as strong as their foe if they're merely helping out. By definition, it's not one on one.
Team 2 can afford to stick two herald-levels on him and still have strong people on every other opponent. Let's say Wondy and Kyle. Together. At once.
Here's the thing about a pile-up crowd; If you have collective power to hold someone off, they don't need to be individually on the same level, especially if you have a high meta up front to take the brunt. That's the point of a pile-up.
Of which only two of the JLA's herald types have significant ones, and due to superior numbers and teamwork they are quite good at defending against weakness exploitation.
The JLA has more fighters who are powerful than the Annihilators do, meaning they can pin down someone who's trying to exploit weaknesses and put someone else against them. This is standard JLA procedure. It's even been called standard procedure on-panel.
They'll have more room to think, more room to pick foes, because they simply have more people period. Every Annihilator will always have someone in their face, while the JLAers can do that, and have people floating around to switch out JLAers in trouble or take back-shots. A back-shot from Zauriel will hurt most Annihilators considerably.
Well, the thing is that I dont think PM can really do anything to these people. Zauriel would certainly do better, but IMO not enough. They have forcefields, energy counterattacks to being touched, blitzing, teleportation, phasing, etc.
A good number of the JLA have exploitable weaknesses: PM has the quick temperature change, SM has red sun and magic, MMH has the blood iron thing and fire, aquaman can be dehidrated, BM is merely human, etc. IMO, the annihilators have the following advantages: cosmic awareness, magic, versatility, BFRing capacity, and collective raw power output, so despite the JLA having the tactical advantages of teamwork and numbers I still dont think they can take the majority.
Originally posted by 753
Well, the thing is that I dont think PM can really do anything to these people. Zauriel would certainly do better, but IMO not enough. They have forcefields, energy counterattacks to being touched, blitzing, teleportation, phasing, etc.
He was able to slug it out, physically, with a Burning Martian.
I don't think he's goin to beat these guys either, but to say he can't keep Ronan busy is erroneous. He's a stealth power house, and he'll just keep coming.
A good number of the JLA have exploitable weaknesses: PM has the quick temperature change, SM has red sun and magic, MMH has the blood iron thing and fire, aquaman can be dehidrated, BM is merely human, etc. IMO, the annihilators have the following advantages: cosmic awareness, magic, versatility, BFRing capacity, and collective raw power output, so despite the JLA having the tactical advantages of teamwork and numbers I still dont think they can take the majority.
How is anyone going to know about these exploitable weaknesses?
Originally posted by Desaad
He was able to slug it out, physically, with a Burning Martian.I don't think he's goin to beat these guys either, but to say he can't keep Ronan busy is erroneous. He's a stealth power house, and he'll just keep coming.
How is anyone going to know about these exploitable weaknesses?
It will takes 1 second to Surfer to knows all of them with his Cosmic Awarness.
Originally posted by carver9How is Gladiator more powerful than both Bill and Superman ?
In regards of who is more powerful on the field it is ranked like this:1. Silver Surfer
2. Gladiator
3. Beta RayThe rest are...
4. Superman= Green Lantern
5. Wonderwoman
6. Quasar
7. FlashEtc... etc...
Annihilators would destroy them...
Silver Surfer being the most powerful. Beta Ray Bill being powerful as well and being the most ruthless. Gladiator physically being the most powerful. These 3 alone is overkill. Team 1 9/10.