Annhilators vs Morrison JLA

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? Gladiator was covered in the radiation weakness that takes all of his powers when he faced the hulk but I would give hulk the win over both supes and gladiator anyway due to his amping ability.

Wow... gladiator defeated thor as well and koed him. The only time thor defeated glads was when he sneaked glads ater the two saved some people from a plane crash. He then hit gladiator with the god blast (which didn't injure him).

Gladiator has defeated binary, destroyed nova, defeated the entire nova corpse, was ripping through ego, stalemated surfer, ripped through a skrull that had all the powers of the most powerful beings on the planet, while doing this he ripped through war bird along with destroying an entire fleet that was attacking the shiar empire. The list goes on. Destroyed wonderman, hell he punched wonderman through the core of the planet and he was wipping through masterson thor until he was cheap shotted.

No, Thor held back and was protecting others and the moment he took the kid gloves off he annihilated him. Thor also doesn't revert back to a human like he did without his hammer in the forums.

He didn't godblast him. LOL. He just tattooed him with his hammer.

Those aren't elite top tiers like Hulk and Thor.

When did he stalemate Surfer ?

Most of the rest isn't impressive compared to who Superman or any elite tier has beaten.

Nova and wonderman., eh ? Wow, what a psychopath. I can't believe you left out speedball too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm not ignoring a thing. I did read X-Men, remember?

Physically? You'd need to prove it.

Superman took something bigger than a solar system sized blast of red sun radiation and survived. Superman has moved planets, giant god machines etc etc.

when did he ever rip a star in half?

swims in stars? really? you're going to use THAT against Superman?

What is it that makes you believe that he isn't more powerful?

So superman has tanked a blast more powerful than a solar system blast point blank range without any damage?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg

Which proves only that he KNOWS about Gladiator's vulnerability, not that his cosmic senses allowed him to know it.

Lex Luthor knows about Superman's vulnerability to kryptonite. Does he have cosmic awareness, to?

SS "can sense specific details about people(like their race and any powers they have)"
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5489/cospowunlim199600411no5.jpg

So still no examples of him actually using his abilities to sense a weakness in someone? So far GL's have shown far better scanning skill than Surfer. You'll notice that didn't know the true nature of the Axi-tun in his group, either, and was frequently confused and fooled by Skrull shape shifters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk dragged him into it. He wasn't fighting back he was free to just pummel.

No, Thor held back and was protecting others and the moment he took the kid gloves off he annihilated him. Thor also doesn't revert back to a human like he did without his hammer in the forums.

He didn't godblast him. LOL. He just tattooed him with his hammer.

Those aren't elite top tiers like Hulk and Thor.

When did he stalemate Surfer ?

Most of the rest isn't impressive compared to who Superman or any elite tier has beaten.

Nova and wonderman., eh ? Wow, what a psychopath. I can't believe you left out speedball too.

Lol... you are a trip quan.

So you do not believe nova is a top tier?

You do not think of binary as a top tier?

What about hyperion? Someone who has defeated thor; do you consider him a top tier? Gladiator snapped his neck.

He defeated thor once and thor defeated him once (with a sneak attack). Why are you using thor as a low showing anyway when you have clearly gave thor the majority against supes in a debate? I never said that gladiator is unbeatable... and if anyone could beat him, it would either be thor or supes but like I said before, in my eyes, gladiator is physically more powerful than supes.

Again, the guy defeated the entire nova corps by himself and he defeated a gang of some of the most powerful villians in the universe and he was one shotting them. Superman will have more showings because he is more popular but the small showings that gladiator has presents him as being more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
What is it that makes you believe that he isn't more powerful?

So superman has tanked a blast more powerful than a solar system blast point blank range without any damage?

He absorbed the power of a bomb powerful enough to destroy half a galaxy (or end all of creation, depending on which reference you prefer to use) and he's survived Black Holes. So yeah.

Originally posted by Desaad
He absorbed the power of a bomb powerful enough to destroy half a galaxy (or end all of creation, depending on which reference you prefer to use) and he's survived Black Holes. So yeah.

I think I know what feat you are talking about and I think you are kind of overating it because of a certain circumastance that went on regarding this feat.

Black holes, nova has survived black holes... they are underated in comics.

Gladiator was wrapped in the crimson bands of cytorrak and flexed his muscles and broke the bands into small pieces and these are bands that has held some of the most powerful beings in the universe and he broke them by just flexing his muscles.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you are a trip quan.

So you do not believe nova is a top tier?

You do not think of binary as a top tier?

What about hyperion? Someone who has defeated thor; do you consider him a top tier? Gladiator snapped his neck.

He defeated thor once and thor defeated him once (with a sneak attack). Why are you using thor as a low showing anyway when you have clearly gave thor the majority against supes in a debate? I never said that gladiator is unbeatable... and if anyone could beat him, it would either be thor or supes but like I said before, in my eyes, gladiator is physically more powerful than supes.

Again, the guy defeated the entire nova corps by himself and he defeated a gang of some of the most powerful villians in the universe and he was one shotting them. Superman will have more showings because he is more popular but the small showings that gladiator has presents him as being more powerful.

Not sso sure of Binary at all tbh.

Hyperion has lost a lot of his luster over the years and Thor is clearly above him now.

I am saying even masterson thor beat this guy. He loses all the time yet you make excuses all the time. You act like he can tank solar system blasts yet thor's hammer can almost kill him in like 20 seconds. Inconsistent much ? Feats don't make these guys unhurtable and when he fights against any of them he gets hurt and hurt badly.

You haven't proven he's physically more powerful you named a few feats and acted like that's proof.

So what ? The nova corps are bums, mainly. Didn't you see them die horribly within hours against the a wave.

No, these showings don't. Sorry your feat logic fails. You have zero proof these feats prove he's more powerful when masteron can beat him to near death in moments.

Glads power or strength is equal to Thor's anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
An elite top tier nowhere near being one. Not even close.

Not sso sure of Binary at all tbh.

Hyperion has lost a lot of his luster over the years and Thor is clearly above him now.

I am saying even masterson thor beat this guy. He loses all the time yet you make excuses all the time. You act like he can tank solar system blasts yet thor's hammer can almost kill him in like 20 seconds. Inconsistent much ? Feats don't make these guys unhurtable and when he fights against any of them he gets hurt and hurt badly.

You haven't proven he's physically more powerful you named a few feats and acted like that's proof.

So what ? The nova corps are bums, mainly. Didn't you see them die horribly within hours against the a wave.

No, these showings don't. Sorry your feat logic fails. You have zero proof these feats prove he's more powerful when masteron can beat him to near death in moments.

Glads power or strength is equal to Thor's anyways.

Quan, I have been debating with you for years... no matter what I tell you, you are going to either discredit it or make up some excuse... your mind is made up.

Did I ever say that gladiator is unhurtable?

I could have sworn that I said that supes could pull some wins.

Did I say that thor couldn't beat him? I have always given thor a 7 or 8/10 against gladiator.

The people that gladiator has defeated are powerful beings. He has also one shotted blackbolt. Let's not forget his most famous scene. Silver surfer, beta ray bill along with others were getting one shotted by tyrant, gladiator matched tyrants eye blast with his own eye blast and it took tyrant at least 4 to 5 blows to drop gladiator whereas he one shotted everyone.

Stop bringing up the masterson fight... gladiator was destroying him until he got back stabbed. That's not a good fight to use as evidence of anything since gladiator was his superior.

Gladiator defeated hyperion during hyperion beastly years when he was fighting against the avengers and taking hammer strikes to the chest without flinching and he still got that neck snapped.

Gladiator is a beast and you need to realize this.

Originally posted by carver9
Quan, I have been debating with you for years... no matter what I tell you, you are going to either discredit it or make up some excuse... your mind is made up.

Did I ever say that gladiator is unhurtable?

I could have sworn that I said that supes could pull some wins.

Did I say that thor couldn't beat him? I have always given thor a 7 or 8/10 against gladiator.

The people that gladiator has defeated are powerful beings. He has also one shotted blackbolt. Let's not forget his most famous scene. Silver surfer, beta ray bill along with others were getting one shotted by tyrant, gladiator matched tyrants eye blast with his own eye blast and it took tyrant at least 4 to 5 blows to drop gladiator whereas he one shotted everyone.

Stop bringing up the masterson fight... gladiator was destroying him until he got back stabbed. That's not a good fight to use as evidence of anything since gladiator was his superior.

Gladiator defeated hyperion during hyperion beastly years when he was fighting against the avengers and taking hammer strikes to the chest without flinching and he still got that neck snapped.

Gladiator is a beast and you need to realize this.

When did he oneshot BB ? When ?

Glads was nothing to Tyrant. None of them were.

Masterson still beat him despite his lack of experience. I can bring it up because an inexperienced guy beat him to within an inch of his life. Yet you claim he beats Superman because he's simply more powerful.

So what ? And hyperion's best years were well behind him. Galactic storm was well past his prime anyway.

He's in Superman's class sure. But Supes is just better and it pains me to admit it as I like Glads like 100 times more but he loses.

I don't give into bias like others do.

Originally posted by carver9
What is it that makes you believe that he isn't more powerful?

So superman has tanked a blast more powerful than a solar system blast point blank range without any damage?

going by feats, Superman is superior. The proof is in the actual comics, of which there are many.

it was red sun, and all it did was hurt him.

and you still havem't answered me.

also, i heart this thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you have no case then if you admit the feats don't carry over to when he matches up with characters in his class.

When did he oneshot BB ? When ?

Glads was nothing to Tyrant. None of them were.

Masterson still beat him despite his lack of experience. I can bring it up because an inexperienced guy beat him to within an inch of his life. Yet you claim he beats Superman because he's simply more powerful.

So what ? And hyperion's best years were well behind him. Galactic storm was well past his prime anyway.

He's in Superman's class sure. But Supes is just better and it pains me to admit it as I like Glads like 100 times more but he loses.

I don't give into bias like others do.

He one shotted black bolt during the vulcan saga.

He also one shotted binary... gave silver surfer fits and was actually shooting cosmic energy from his chest. Hell, the guy CONTAINED a solar system destroying blast with his power. He was whipping up on ego the planet. He one shotted warbird... toyed with masterson thor, the avengers, and also toyed with nova, a herald.

Like I told you before... him standing over masterson thor, laughing at him was his downfall. He does this in ALL of his fights. He knows that he is superior and just downplay powerful beings which results in him getting defeated. He did this to masterson, thor, cannonball, hulk (the guy was dusting his cloths off while fighting hulk and making sure his hair was perfect), nova, and the list goes on. His ego is his downfall and that is why I would also give supes some wins against him. Without his ego problem imo, he would crush supes because he is superior in stats... he has no limits. The guy was ripping people apart and blasting people heads of and moving planets kind of like prime was doing. Even reed and professor x themselves said that he doesn't have a limit with his physical power... nova said this as well.

His ego is his weakness.

Masterson thor also pounded on thanos and hammer tossed thanos some light years away. Do you hear people saying that since masterson was whipping up on thanos, that makes thanos weak... no.

Tyrant had to put effort in dropping gladiator while the others, he simply one shotted.

You are seriously underating hyperion.

Originally posted by carver9
I think I know what feat you are talking about and I think you are kind of overating it because of a certain circumastance that went on regarding this feat.

There are all kinds of argument, but that is one the people are referring to. Mageddon, anti sunlight, at least half a galaxy's destruction.

Black holes, nova has survived black holes... they are underated in comics.

When has Nova survived a black hole? They tend to go either way -- guys like Surfer, Supes, Green Lantern survive them with varying levels of ease, even create or seal them up, but Thanos has gotten fairly messed up by them before, and I don't believe Nova has ever survived one (though, of course, I could be wrong).

Gladiator was wrapped in the crimson bands of cytorrak and flexed his muscles and broke the bands into small pieces and these are bands that has held some of the most powerful beings in the universe and he broke them by just flexing his muscles.

The Crimson Bands of Cytorrak is a spell, not a device, and the strength of the bands depends wholly on the strength of the mage who invokes them. You'll have to give some context to the feat, if I'm to buy it -- especially considering we know that Strontians are weak against magic, from something already scanned in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
He also one shotted binary...

... after she just exhausted her entire energy supply powering a starship or whatever. That was a really low showing for her anyway.

Originally posted by Desaad
There are all kinds of argument, but that is one the people are referring to. Mageddon, anti sunlight, at least half a galaxy's destruction.

When has Nova survived a black hole? They tend to go either way -- guys like Surfer, Supes, Green Lantern survive them with varying levels of ease, even create or seal them up, but Thanos has gotten fairly messed up by them before, and I don't believe Nova has ever survived one (though, of course, I could be wrong).

The Crimson Bands of Cytorrak is a spell, not a device, and the strength of the bands depends wholly on the strength of the mage who invokes them. You'll have to give some context to the feat, if I'm to buy it -- especially considering we know that Strontians are weak against magic, from something already scanned in this thread.

Post the scan of the galaxy destroying blast.

Again, black holes isn't that impressive when it comes to comics. Black bolt created at least 12 black holes and they were circling thing and he suffered no damage and I can see gladiator flying through one without a scratch on him.

Quasar was in control of the bands and gladiator destroyed it with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
Post the scan of the galaxy destroying blast.

No.

maybe if you ask nicely, but not with that kind of entitled attitude. I described the scene, and gave the reference. If you haven't seen it, tough titties.

Again, black holes isn't that impressive when it comes to comics.

Again, you're refuting a stance I've never taken, and repeating yourself.

lack bolt created at least 12 black holes and they were circling thing and he suffered no damage and I can see gladiator flying through one without a scratch on him.

Hey, so you've abandoned the (apparently false) argument that Nova flew through one? And that isn't what Black Bolt did -- you're misremembering the feat. Take a look at it again.

(It was Graviton who created them, black bolt that sealed them, and they were miniature and caused no damage to the environment).

But, finally, I've already said that they are variable, and given you an example of them being extremely impressive. It's not the end all be all, but it's a decent baseline.

Quasar was in control of the bands and gladiator destroyed it with ease.

Hahaha, yeah, and Quasar's shields with Wendell couldn't survive near a star for very long either. Bummer.

Originally posted by Desaad
Which proves only that he KNOWS about Gladiator's vulnerability, not that his cosmic senses allowed him to know it.

Lex Luthor knows about Superman's vulnerability to kryptonite. Does he have cosmic awareness, to?

So still no examples of him actually using his abilities to sense a weakness in someone? So far GL's have shown far better scanning skill than Surfer. You'll notice that didn't know the true nature of the Axi-tun in his group, either, and was frequently confused and fooled by Skrull shape shifters.

Lex knows Sups for decades, while it was the first time Gladiator's weakness was mentionned, I think. And Surfer don't have the same relationship that Lex and Sups have: I mean, they both know each other for years! Surfer meet the guy reaaaaly occasionnaly. I think it's a use of cosmic awarness.

Still, he knew in that scan that there was a Regillan with mental power. I suppose that he'll be able to identify Sups as a kryptonian, and then, know at least two weaknesses out of three.

Originally posted by carver9
He one shotted black bolt during the vulcan saga.

He also one shotted binary... gave silver surfer fits and was actually shooting cosmic energy from his chest. Hell, the guy CONTAINED a solar system destroying blast with his power. He was whipping up on ego the planet. He one shotted warbird... toyed with masterson thor, the avengers, and also toyed with nova, a herald.

Like I told you before... him standing over masterson thor, laughing at him was his downfall. He does this in ALL of his fights. He knows that he is superior and just downplay powerful beings which results in him getting defeated. He did this to masterson, thor, cannonball, hulk (the guy was dusting his cloths off while fighting hulk and making sure his hair was perfect), nova, and the list goes on. His ego is his downfall and that is why I would also give supes some wins against him. Without his ego problem imo, he would crush supes because he is superior in stats... he has no limits. The guy was ripping people apart and blasting people heads of and moving planets kind of like prime was doing. Even reed and professor x themselves said that he doesn't have a limit with his physical power... nova said this as well.

His ego is his weakness.

Masterson thor also pounded on thanos and hammer tossed thanos some light years away. Do you hear people saying that since masterson was whipping up on thanos, that makes thanos weak... no.

Tyrant had to put effort in dropping gladiator while the others, he simply one shotted.

You are seriously underating hyperion.

How is binary impressive and an elite top tier ?

You just repeat yourself and when did he ever fight the Surfer ?

So your point is Glads is a real idiot and that's why he lost to masterson. LOL.

Glads has limits and we've seen him utterly dominated by the eldest one, crushed by the hulk, nearly beaten to death by masterson thor, dominated by the real thor. The guy just doesn't cut the mustard.

No, Hyperion isn't anywhere near as impressive as he used to be.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he had help ? That's what your talking about ? LOL.

How is binary impressive and an elite top tier ?

You just repeat yourself and when did he ever fight the Surfer ?

So your point is Glads is a real idiot and that's why he lost to masterson. LOL.

Glads has limits and we've seen him utterly dominated by the eldest one, crushed by the hulk, nearly beaten to death by masterson thor, dominated by the real thor. The guy just doesn't cut the mustard.

No, Hyperion isn't anywhere near as impressive as he used to be.

The point is... he one shotted black bolt. Everyone fears black scream so that's why he used someone to distract him.

Binary has given surfer hell.

During the same time he fought ego... I will post scans in a min.

Yes, gladiator is a idiot.

Hulk had radiation to aid him in his fight.

Masterson got mud stomped and snuck attack a laughing gladiator.

He beat thor once as well... koed him actually and during the second fight, thor snuck attacked him and also had help (thor girl).

Hyperion is a beast.

Originally posted by carver9
The point is... he one shotted black bolt. Everyone fears black scream so that's why he used someone to distract him.

Binary has given surfer hell.

During the same time he fought ego... I will post scans in a min.

Yes, gladiator is a idiot.

Hulk had radiation to aid him in his fight.

Masterson got mud stomped and snuck attack a laughing gladiator.

He beat thor once as well... koed him actually and during the second fight, thor snuck attacked him and also had help (thor girl).

Hyperion is a beast.

So ?

Ok.

That doesn't help his case if he's stupid.

Hulk had him helpless before the radiation.

Masteron almost killed him whereas Hulk has taken on the real Thor's hammer for an hour.

No, he made Thor turn into human and when he quit holding bakc he crushed Glads like a nonfactor.

No, he isn't.

JLA for sure