Annhilators vs Morrison JLA

Originally posted by carver9
Binary, war bird, a skrull with all the powers of earth heros, vulcan, rachel summers...black bolt.

Why doesn't he use his speed? He used it against the fantastic 4, he used it against the xmen, he used it against nova and he used it against masterson.

Why do you keep using thor as evidence of someone not being powerful? Just because hyperion lost to thor does not make him weak. A lot of powerful beings lost to thor. Getting your neck broke by gladiator isn't a low showing either... if it was, then thor would be weak since he has been koed by gladiator and masterson would be weak snce he received a royal beat down from glads. King hyperion... lol... king hype has destroyed three planets full of heros by himself... that's not a low showing either. What else do you got?

Gladiator stated that thor is too powerful and he is too powerful.

Glads bested him... regardless if you like it or not.

Yes, he used it against masteron for a blow or so and against nova used it for a time as well. If he used his speed against the xmen the entire time he'd lap them and then some before they eve knew what hit them but something tells me he used it just for a bit like he usually does.

I used Glads as an example as well. I don't see Hyperion getting a majority against WW, Hulk, Gladiator, Black Adam, Superman, thor, etc.

The guy is bottom of the barrel here.

King Hyperion regenerated and he was portrayed as powerful but come on two Hypes taking him on isn't really showing him to tbe that powerful considering Hypes' history.

He used the word strong not powerful. You're always wrong when it comes to the details that's why I don't trust anything you ever say.

He bested him due to him turning back into a human and holding back which changes things.

Originally posted by carver9
I have named feats... he doesn't have showings every month like some characters. What is it that you want to know?

quantity isn't an excuse. he has plenty of showings; more than enough to get a quantification of his powers.

you said:

Going by your standards, everyone with super strength is a planet buster.

i wanted to know where that lunacy came from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No elite top tiers and he never beat BB on his own.

Yes, he used it against masteron for a blow or so and against nova used it for a time as well. If he used his speed against the xmen the entire time he'd lap them and then some before they eve knew what hit them but something tells me he used it just for a bit like he usually does.

I used Glads as an example as well. I don't see Hyperion getting a majority against WW, Hulk, Gladiator, Black Adam, Superman, thor, etc.

The guy is bottom of the barrel here.

King Hyperion regenerated and he was portrayed as powerful but come on two Hypes taking him on isn't really showing him to tbe that powerful considering Hypes' history.

He used the word strong not powerful. You're always wrong when it comes to the details that's why I don't trust anything you ever say.

He bested him due to him turning back into a human and holding back which changes things.

Quan... I know he said strong but he wasn't directing it as thor being physically stronger than him... what he is saying is that thor is too powerful. One sec, I am about to provide scans.

Originally posted by carver9
Quan... I know he said strong but he wasn't directing it as thor being physically stronger than him... what he is saying is that thor is too powerful. One sec, I am about to provide scans.

Originally posted by -Pr-
quantity isn't an excuse. he has plenty of showings; more than enough to get a quantification of his powers.

you said:

i wanted to know where that lunacy came from.

I agree and I named those feats.

What I mean by that is....

Let's use sentry as an example. We have no type od proof that sentry is a planet crusher but going by your standards, since he has held the cosmic cube in his hand, he should be able to crush a planet. I'm not saying that you would say this but it holds the same amount of weight as your prediction on certain characters being able to destroy a planet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. I can see someone interpreting it that way but we've never ever seen Gladiator overpower Thor in terms of strength or being too strong for Thor to deal with.

Thor and gladiator never locked arms so we really wouldn't know who was stronger unless they did this. The only thing they did was punch each other.

So why would you say that thor is stronger?

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and I named those feats.

What I mean by that is....

Let's use sentry as an example. We have no type od proof that sentry is a planet crusher but going by your standards, since he has held the cosmic cube in his hand, he should be able to crush a planet. I'm not saying that you would say this but it holds the same amount of weight as your prediction on certain characters being able to destroy a planet.

if they have shown sufficient strength, then there's no reason why they can't do it. It's cold, hard logic.

Let's say I lift a sack of cement that weighs twenty kilos. Just because I didn't lift the sack of potatoes that weighs fifteen kilos doesn't mean I can't do it, does it?

Gladiator is not stronger than Thor. We saw Gladiator enter a contest of strength with Masterson and the two were equals.

Originally posted by -Pr-
if they have shown sufficient strength, then there's no reason why they can't do it. It's cold, hard logic.

Let's say I lift a sack of cement that weighs twenty kilos. Just because I didn't lift the sack of potatoes that weighs fifteen kilos doesn't mean I can't do it, does it?

You do know that this goes both ways right? There is evidence for both sides... him being able to and him being unable too... same for thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gladiator is not stronger than Thor. We saw Gladiator enter a contest of strength with Masterson and the two were equals.

And that's where the fluctuation thing come into place. Gladiator is similar to the hulk, his strength is based off of his attitude. The more confident he is, the stronger he is. Thor has also done the same to hulk but it is pretty obvioud who is stronger.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know that this goes both ways right? There is evidence for both sides... him being able to and him being unable too... same for thor.

how does it go both ways? if you lift something that weighs 20 kilos, logic states that you can lift/move anything weighing equal to or less weight.

JLA.

Originally posted by carver9
And that's where the fluctuation thing come into place. Gladiator is similar to the hulk, his strength is based off of his attitude. The more confident he is, the stronger he is. Thor has also done the same to hulk but it is pretty obvioud who is stronger.

There was absolutely no mention of any decrease in power for Gladiator. As a matter of fact, he had the entire "My strength is nigh infinite. I'm indestructible." thing going for him under DeFalco as described when he flew in. He isn't the damn Hulk, he can't simply get stronger and stronger.

Gladiator is at best as strong as Thor.

Unfortunately that's a bad comparison as for decades Thor was as strong as the Hulk or maybe slightly weaker despite his ever increasing strength. It was still a hotly debated topic as recently as this decade. It's only recently that Marvel has given Hulk a push. Well, not Marvel in particular, just fans of the character who are in the position of a creator. Marvel editorial is simply non existent currently.

Originally posted by -Pr-
how does it go both ways? if you lift something that weighs 20 kilos, logic states that you can lift/move anything weighing equal to or less weight.

I'm not disagreeing with that, what I am saying is that your argument is kind of inconsistent when it comes to the character. Kind of like wolvy... one instant we have wolvy getting shot in the eye and taking the bullet without dropping due to his adamantium bone and in another instant we have the bullet going clean through. Which one do we accept?

Inconsistent.

There are a lot of instances that is discrediting your argument.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not disagreeing with that, what I am saying is that your argument is kind of inconsistent when it comes to the character. Kind of like wolvy... one instant we have wolvy getting shot in the eye and taking the bullet without dropping due to his adamantium bone and in another instant we have the bullet going clean through. Which one do we accept?

Inconsistent.

There are a lot of instances that is discrediting your argument.

that's why we go by averages. when you go by averages, there's consistency.

logic still applies.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There was absolutely no mention of any decrease in power for Gladiator. As a matter of fact, he had the entire "My strength is nigh infinite. I'm indestructible." thing going for him under DeFalco as described when he flew in. He isn't the damn Hulk, he can't simply get stronger and stronger.

Gladiator is at best as strong as Thor.

Unfortunately that's a bad comparison as for decades Thor was as strong as the Hulk or maybe slightly weaker despite his ever increasing strength. It was still a hotly debated topic as recently as this decade. It's only recently that Marvel has given Hulk a push. Well, not Marvel in particular, just fans of the character who are in the position of a creator. Marvel editorial is simply non existent currently.

I disagree... glad mood is his power... hell, it fuels his power. He does not have a cap on his strength and again, this has been stated more than once, even by the genious Reed. Hell, gladiator power made a thanos clone 4 times stronger than the real deal.

I disagree again. I don't get where you are getting the idea that thor is as strong as an enraged hulk. Especially when we have some versions of the hulk taking on the entire avengers team INCLUDING thor. Hell, mindless hulk took on the avengers that had the aid of herc. Don't cloud your judgement off of one showing of thor matching hulks strength (when they were fighting for hours) because there are a lot of showings contradicting this.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that's why we go by averages. when you go by averages, there's consistency.

logic still applies.

And that's where I am confused... I don't know what feats you are using to suggest that he is can destroy a planet. I'm pretty sure I know what feats you are going to throw out there but those feats are nothing but a while guess in my eyes because we do not know how much strength was applied to do "those" feats.

That is why I kind of look at the "what happened" instead of the "guesstimation" (and yes, I know that isn't a word).

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree... glad mood is his power... hell, it fuels his power. He does not have a cap on his strength and again, this has been stated more than once, even by the genious Reed.

This is just silly. Gladiator has a cap to his strength. It's the Thor/Superman tier. We've seen it proven.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell, gladiator power made a thanos clone 4 times stronger than the real deal.

This proves absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree again. I don't get where you are getting the idea that thor is as strong as an enraged hulk.

Perhaps the over half a dozen fights where Thor battles the Hulk in hand to hand to a stalemate?

Originally posted by carver9
Especially when we have some versions of the hulk taking on the entire avengers team INCLUDING thor.

Which versions are these? The closest anything of this sort has happened was in the pretty recent fight in the Atlas miniseries and that shit was hardly conclusive. He grabbed Thor from behind, and tossed him IIRC. That's about it. Not exactly a good showing for Thor, but it doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell, mindless hulk took on the avengers that had the aid of herc.

Cool. Thor took on that same mindless Hulk and fought him to a stalemate.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't cloud your judgement off of one showing of thor matching hulks strength (when they were fighting for hours) because there are a lot of showings contradicting this.

Just stop.

Originally posted by carver9
And that's where I am confused... I don't know what feats you are using to suggest that he is can destroy a planet. I'm pretty sure I know what feats you are going to throw out there but those feats are nothing but a while guess in my eyes because we do not know how much strength was applied to do "those" feats.

That is why I kind of look at the "what happened" instead of the "guesstimation" (and yes, I know that isn't a word).

so you won't accept the strength being shown on panel as proof? 😬

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is just silly. Gladiator has a cap to his strength. It's the Thor/Superman tier. We've seen it proven.

This proves absolutely nothing.

Perhaps the over half a dozen fights where Thor battles the Hulk in hand to hand to a stalemate?

Which versions are these? The closest anything of this sort has happened was in the pretty recent fight in the Atlas miniseries and that shit was hardly conclusive. He grabbed Thor from behind, and tossed him IIRC. That's about it. Not exactly a good showing for Thor, but it doesn't prove anything.

Cool. Thor took on that same mindless Hulk and fought him to a stalemate.

Just stop.

You can't deny on panel proof... especially reed kind of proof along with other files that is kept on glads. His mood is the key to his power... the more confident the more powerful he is.

Why doesn't it prove anything? Gladiator power made a thanos clone 4 times stronger than the real deal. What was it that made this thanos clone this strong if it wasn't gladiator physical trait? You have no way of denying this.

Thor durabilty aids him in fighting the hulk... that doesn't mean he is as strong as the hulk. There are numerous of characters that has went blow to blow with the hulk but they are NOT his equal. Thor is an amazing h2h fighter... if anyone can last with the hulk, it should be him.. hulk is still stronger though.

I don't know which fight you are talking about. If thor was as physically as strong as mindless hulk, he would have been the one everyone relied on to bust open onslaughts armoe BUT he was just as useless as the other characters that was out there fighting onslaught until the hulk showed up.

No need to stop.