God Kratos vs Dante, Link, Bayonetta and Alex Mercer

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I thought someone with a fraction of his power could TK Hyrule into another dimension?

Zant could, but not by TK. It was more of a merging of dimensions without anything actually being moved. It's sort of inconsistently described. He might have pulled peices of Hyrule into the Twilight Realm, or covered Hyrule with Twilight matter, or even pulled the Twilight Realm onto Hyrule. The point is that both things ended up in the same place and bad crap happened.

Anyway, if I read the rules correctly, Ganondorf is limited to his Ocarina of Time appearance. That one opens up his use of the Gap Between Dimsensions, but the portal is only as large as Kratos' foot or so when he's giant. OoT Ganondorf could collapse a castle and blow the top floor off of a tower as well as trap things in crystals and teleport them. Also raise the dead to some degree.

Though I think Ganondorf's best option would be that thing where he summons a monster inside a giant to tear up their insides. Like he did to the Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu. I wonder what Kratos could even do to stop a giant electric jellyfish swimming in his guts.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant could, but not by TK. It was more of a merging of dimensions without anything actually being moved. It's sort of inconsistently described. He might have pulled peices of Hyrule into the Twilight Realm, or covered Hyrule with Twilight matter, or even pulled the Twilight Realm onto Hyrule. The point is that both things ended up in the same place and bad crap happened.

Anyway, if I read the rules correctly, Ganondorf is limited to his Ocarina of Time appearance. That one opens up his use of the Gap Between Dimsensions, but the portal is only as large as Kratos' foot or so when he's giant. OoT Ganondorf could collapse a castle and blow the top floor off of a tower as well as trap things in crystals and teleport them. Also raise the dead to some degree.

Though I think Ganondorf's best option would be that thing where he summons a monster inside a giant to tear up their insides. Like he did to the Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu. I wonder what Kratos could even do to stop a giant electric jellyfish swimming in his guts.

Ah, I see. Was under the impression that it was TK. Thanks for clearing it up.

Though looking more closely at the rules, it says "final boss", which would mean Ganon, not Ganondorf. Feats for him? awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ah, I see. Was under the impression that it was TK. Thanks for clearing it up.

Though looking more closely at the rules, it says "final boss", which would mean Ganon, not Ganondorf. Feats for him? awesome

Making a ring of fire and generally being menacing. Also knocking the Master Sword out of Link's hand. And I think he made a thunderstorm. And surviving a Master Sword being shoved into his forehead with no discernable injuries (after transforming back into Ganondorf.)

The Final Boss of OoT is a two-parter, Ganondorf followed by Ganon. 313

As God Kratos, he could probably break 10 of those crystals at once with a punch, even if he couldn't he'd just teleport out,

Thunderstorms? Poseidons rage could cover Athens 5 times over.

He could also summon skyscraper sized ghosts to go inside his body and kill whatever ganon summons if he even gets the chance.

This is getting stupid.

Ganondorf poses absolutely no threat to god Kratos whatsoever.

Kratos could overpower Ganon and giant Link with one hand with his full godly size and strength.

Kratos annihilates most of the opposition easily. Jubileus is the only one I am not sure about, admittedly I forget about what she can really do.

It broke out of the moon and supposedly was the creator.But it was never specified what it created. It also threw small galaxies at Bayonetta.

So he does face Jubileus? In that case, I say he likely loses, only because he doesn't have a way to put her down, outside of the BoO.

EDIT: Does Jubileus have a soul? I remember ScreamPaste posting a screencap of Jubileus' soul or something like that (the thing that gets punched to the sun). If so, Kratos might absorb its soul.

Mercer wins.

Nothing can stop him.

Not men

Not weapons

Not armor

It should have one since it's a spiritual being and since Kratos naturally already has retard elephant strength God Kratos will pull out and absorb it's soul eventually and he'll have Hades, Atlas and Jubilious soul inside him.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Mercer wins.

Nothing can stop him.

Not men

Not weapons

Not armor

😄 lol

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
He has advantages the others can't match.

He's just a virus, therefore he is immune to soul sucking. He has sucked thousands of people, including doctors, scientists and military officials and has all their memories, so he is the most intelligent of the group and most likely mind attacks will have little effect on him. And he turns his body into stone as an attack, so he should be immune to a gorgon ghost summon. He also came back from an atomic bomb so his regeneration and durability is the best of the group. Kratos can turn him into paste and he could come back by absorbing a spartan (although i'm sure he'll stop eventually, that just HAS to hurt like a motherf each time)

I'll rank them like this.

Speed
1.Dante
2.Alex
3.Bayonetta
4.Link

Magic
1.Bayonetta
2.Link
3.Dante
4.Alex

Strength
1.Link (with giants mask and gg's
2.Alex
3.Bayonetta
4.Dante

Durability
1.Alex
2.Bayonetta
3.Dante
4.Link

Intelligence
1.Alex
2.Link
3.Bayonetta
4.Dante

oh crap forgot to put my message at the end of it.

well as far as magic is concerned, I agree with your lists, TheGoldenSpy. but I think that some of them seem a bit off though I could be wrong.

Strength
1. Link with thos weapons of his (forgot name)
2. Bayonetta (can headbutt a building back at someone and throw an angel so hard at a tanker truck that it and the angel fly and crash into another big angel that knocks it down.)
3. Dante (supported the dead weight of the Savior without any visible strain and casually knocked a Mega Scarecrow around a room with one swing of his sword)
4. Alex (he can lift up and throw tanks and all, not to mention the musclemass ability, but imo Dante's feats seem a bit more impressive)

Durability
Bayonetta I'm not sure about since I can't recall ever seeing any durability feats for her.
1. Dante (took many hits from Nero's Devil Bringer during gameplay and cutscenes in mission 1 without seeming very hurt and it's shown that Nero's DB is strong enough to lift up Berial and crush the False Savior's face)
2. Alex (like you pointed out, he took a nuke even though he was not at ground zero although he was close by and got turned into a puddle)
3. Link

Speed
forgot Link's speed.
1. Bayonetta (although it occurs in gameplay, she can dodge a lightning strike and she also has Witch Time to slow her oppponents down)
2. Dante (was able to almost casually react to a Blitz and they seem to be able to move at the speed of lightning. not entirely sure, but that's what it seems like)
3. Alex (can run faster than cars, but hasn't shown anything to put him higher than Bayonetta)

well, that's my opinion though, but I think they got a good shot at beating Kratos or least hurt him given that three of them have supernatural attacks (Dante and Bayonetta pretty much being supernatural/magical beings).

not sure about the bosses though, but Mundus and Jubileus will put up a fight.

Originally posted by danteiscool

Durability
Bayonetta I'm not sure about since I can't recall ever seeing any durability feats for her.

Speed
forgot Link's speed.
1. Bayonetta (although it occurs in gameplay, she can dodge a lightning strike and she also has Witch Time to slow her oppponents down)
2. Dante (was able to almost casually react to a Blitz and they seem to be able to move at the speed of lightning. not entirely sure, but that's what it seems like)
3. Alex (can run faster than cars, but hasn't shown anything to put him higher than Bayonetta)

well, that's my opinion though, but I think they got a good shot at beating Kratos or least hurt him given that three of them have supernatural attacks (Dante and Bayonetta pretty much being supernatural/magical beings).

not sure about the bosses though, but Mundus and Jubileus will put up a fight.

Well, the headbutting feat is also a durability feat for Bayonetta if you ask me.

Dante's top speed is still in the high hypersonic range, and I think he's the fastest character here. Blitz don't move as fast as Lightning, not unless they are teleporting. They just have Lightning surrounding their limbs.
Bayonetta's speed is 'high' mainly because of her Time Manip abilities, which can likely be cancelled out by Kratos' own Time Manip abilities. I think her best speed feat might be running faster than a car. Dodging Lightning is more of a reaction-time feat, rather than a speed feat.

Mundus isn't in this fight, it's the Saviour/False Saviour. It'll be tossed far away or just crushed by a 300 ft tall God Kratos. Jubileus and Ganon are the only threats I believe, and I daresay Kratos wouldn't have a way to take Jubileus out, outside of perhaps the Claws of Hades.

You are right, I don't ever recall Bayonetta taking a hit. She is just skilled enough to not get hit or she uses time stop. It's never shown how she dealt with re-entry to the earth but I think she used jeannes help and cast magic.

And she knocked the building by time stopping it and amping herself with magic. That's why I think she has the best magic.

I think Alex has the best durability because even if he can't take much initially his ability could make him last longer in the battle. I don't think Bayonetta or Dante can come back if turned into a puddle.

As far as speed, she can keep up with speeding cars in her couger form, but Alex is said to be able to run at 300MPH based on how fast he can run through manhatten.

I don't know about jubilious. It could make a bubble and change the weather inside it and threw galaxies that turned Bayonetta into a girl. I don't think they would hurt each other. It would be a stalemate but couldn't Kratos turn it into a statue aswell?

yeah I think so.

well it goes without saying that Alex has the best regeneration abilities of the bunch, but he had to consume a crow after the nuke to fully recover and it never really showed us how long it took for him to completely regenerate. every now and then it showed the screen blacking out for a few seconds which could indicate that some time passed during those 'black outs'.

well, all in all, this little team has some kind of chance to say the least. it just comes down to how much damage they can deal to Kratos before he can land a hit on them. I'm not sure how fast Kratos can attack in his god form, but I'm sure that most of the team can dodge. Dante for sure can probably dodge the attack.

really, it was the Savior, not Mundus? well in that case I agree with you Demonic Phoenix. Kratos would crush that thing. if Dante could go up against it without using DT, hell to go up against it and just screw around with it, then Kratos will definitely destroy the Savior.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
[B]As God Kratos, he could probably break 10 of those crystals at once with a punch, even if he couldn't he'd just teleport out,

I dunno about that (the crystals have also been shown to paralyze targets), but the biggest limiting factor would be that Ganondorf has never used it on anything bigger than a human, so it's doubtful he can even create one big enough for giant Kratos.

Thunderstorms? Poseidons rage could cover Athens 5 times over.

Yeah, that one was never really meant as a feat, since Ganon's storm does not actually do anything. It just makes a dramatic backdrop for the fight.

He could also summon skyscraper sized ghosts to go inside his body and kill whatever ganon summons if he even gets the chance.

This one I'm more curious about. Has Kratos ever done this? I mean, I've never heard of Kratos putting a ghost inside his own body and to be honest that sounds like it would do more harm than good.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I dunno about that (the crystals have also been shown to paralyze targets), but the biggest limiting factor would be that Ganondorf has never used it on anything bigger than a human, so it's doubtful he can even create one big enough for giant Kratos.

Yeah, that one was never really meant as a feat, since Ganon's storm does not actually do anything. It just makes a dramatic backdrop for the fight.

This one I'm more curious about. Has Kratos ever done this? I mean, I've never heard of Kratos putting a ghost inside his own body and to be honest that sounds like it would do more harm than good.

Originally posted by The Scenario

This one I'm more curious about. Has Kratos ever done this? I mean, I've never heard of Kratos putting a ghost inside his own body and to be honest that sounds like it would do more harm than good.

I think he meant summoning the Army of Hades, and letting it attack his enemies.
The souls can phase through anything, including enemies (thus they are completely intangible), but they still deal damage to enemies only (juggling them even...coolforce?), so I'm guessing it could work on that thing, while keeping Kratos safe.

Originally posted by danteiscool
well, all in all, this little team has some kind of chance to say the least. it just comes down to how much damage they can deal to Kratos before he can land a hit on them. I'm not sure how fast Kratos can attack in his god form, but I'm sure that most of the team can dodge. Dante for sure can probably dodge the attack.

As per the OP, his strength, speed, durability, and stamina are all increased by a factor of 6. So he's 6 times faster than he normally is. His speed (combat/movement) increases if he uses Rage, but I don't think he has any of the three types of Rage available in this thread.

That said, if he's feeling cheap, he could probably try to put some distance between him and the group via teleportation, and then spam toss Zeus' Fury (Thunderbolts), and/or the Army of Hades. That would certainly f*** things up considerably for the group.
Bayonetta and Dante have a shot at avoiding some of the Thunderbolts, but it's up in the air whether or not Link can do it.

hmm forgot about that multiplier effect. but if I recall correctly, in his human form, Krato's is about peak human level in terms of speed so... well I'm a little bad at calculations sometimes, but I still think Dante is faster and if not then DT may give him enough of a speed boost.

and, TheGoldenSy, there's actually one more thing I forgot to mention about your Intelligence list. I think that Dante should be above Bayonetta in terms of intelligence since he has really extensive experience fighting demons of all kinds. he's also shown the ability to master any weapon he picks up instantly and that theatrical showing he had with Agnus had me thinking that he had some schooling.

in fact, I'd place Dante above Link too. then again I can't recall Link doing anything really crafty or anything so I could be wrong.

not to say that Bayonetta doesn't have any less experience fighting angels, but it seems that her knowledge is limited to Umbran witches and the Lumen Sages, so I'm not sure if she knows anything about Greek gods and how some can be weakened or whatever (assuming that the gods are subject to any weaknesses at all. Kratos doesn't seem to show any).

and DP, I just thought of something: when a Blitz moves around in a fight, does it turn into lightning? I ask this because in the cutscene it appeared in, it actually seemed to come from a lightning bolt in the sky, attracted to the metal pole in the area. and when it moves around, it doesn't seem to have any form, instead looking like an actual lightning bolt except for the times that it's about to attack. what do you think of that?

Dante is still massivley faster. Kratos would be a little less faster than couger Bayonetta. But don't underestimate what Kratos can do. When he crossed the lowlands Kratos showed his awesome jumping abilities and he's crafty with his blades.

Dante is definitley highly skilled when it comes to weapons but I placed him lowest on the intelligence scale because of the fact that his attitude and arrogance usually lead to him not taking anything seriously and getting his ass kicked and that's not something I would consider benificial in battle. He also underestimates some of his opponents from time to time and when he got stuck behind a door he just kept kicking it until jester showed up and told him what's what. I'm not saying he's some brainless idiot by any means, but he's not smarter compared to these other guys (and gal)

Link figures out ingenious temples full of traps and puzzles by himself and Bayonetta just seems more focused although just as cocky.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I think he meant summoning the Army of Hades, and letting it attack his enemies.
The souls can phase through anything, including enemies (thus they are completely intangible), but they still deal damage to enemies only (juggling them even...coolforce?), so I'm guessing it could work on that thing, while keeping Kratos safe.

Ehhhhh. Seems wonky, I dunno. Selective weapons are a b****.

Bayonetta and Dante have a shot at avoiding some of the Thunderbolts, but it's up in the air whether or not Link can do it.

I'd just say Mirror Shield.

in fact, I'd place Dante above Link too. then again I can't recall Link doing anything really crafty or anything so I could be wrong.

Well. he's got the same instant weapon mastery that Dante does. However, OoT/MM Link is probably still mentally a 10 year old since he was in stasis for the 7 years. But even given that, he's extremely skilled in weaponry, stealth, horseback riding, playing instruments, etc.