Originally posted by danteiscool
hmm forgot about that multiplier effect. but if I recall correctly, in his human form, Krato's is about peak human level in terms of speed so... well I'm a little bad at calculations sometimes, but I still think Dante is faster and if not then DT may give him enough of a speed boost.
Nah, he's faster than peak human, but it's not Dante level, or even Bayonetta level speed. Even with the multiplier, Dante's much faster in terms of movement speed, since Kratos does not even have the Sandals of Hermes.
Still, his combat speed roughly matches theirs, and with the multiplier, exceeds theirs.
His basic strikes take about 30 microseconds to pull off. In his fight with Hermes, Lightning occurs in the background. It has only one return stroke (one flash), and each stroke takes on average 30 microseconds. I just compared his attack speed to it. It's rudimentary, and might not be viable, but meh, it's a starting point.
Originally posted by danteiscool
and, TheGoldenSy, there's actually one more thing I forgot to mention about your Intelligence list. I think that Dante should be above Bayonetta in terms of intelligence since he has really extensive experience fighting demons of all kinds. he's also shown the ability to master any weapon he picks up instantly and that theatrical showing he had with Agnus had me thinking that he had some schooling.in fact, I'd place Dante above Link too. then again I can't recall Link doing anything really crafty or anything so I could be wrong.
Meh, Kratos beats them all in overall intelligence, which is saying something. peaches
Not only has he completed a clever puzzle in 3 (albeit, Link's much better than him in puzzle solving), but he routinely comes up with creative ways to systematically weaken and then dispose of his enemies, often using the environment to his advantage.
Originally posted by danteiscool
and DP, I just thought of something: when a Blitz moves around in a fight, does it turn into lightning? I ask this because in the cutscene it appeared in, it actually seemed to come from a lightning bolt in the sky, attracted to the metal pole in the area. and when it moves around, it doesn't seem to have any form, instead looking like an actual lightning bolt except for the times that it's about to attack. what do you think of that?
Yeah, they're faster than I remembered. They like to 'teleport' a lot, and I presume it's at Lightning speed.
I'm guessing they really are as fast as Lightning when their electric shroud is up, and that their lunges being so slow could just be a gameplay mechanic. That said, I find it funny that bullets can hit them while they are that fast.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Ehhhhh. Seems wonky, I dunno. Selective weapons are a b****.
What can we do? It's just the way it works. Could be that they don't harm him since he's the one that summoned them in the first place.
Originally posted by The Scenario
I'd just say Mirror Shield.
Won't stop the Army of Hades, I think.
Well I don't believe Kratos is smarter than Alex but people should not underestimate his brain power. He's not the witless killing machine people make him out to be. Even when Hermes taunted him over and over and ran away from him Kratos kept his cool and kept Hermes pressured until he cornered him. Then what does Kratos do? He launches a boulder at him and hides behind it to catch his bich ass.
hmm, that's true. Alex when he was human was a top notch scientist, but by the end of the game he had consumed over a thousand people and had their knowledge.
and DP, are you sure that Kratos is that fast in combat speed? I remember him dodging lightning once I think, but when it comes to throwing blows, his punches didn't seem very fast, at least in comparison to Dante, Link, or Bayonetta. he can most likely attack faster than Alex though.
I almost forgot that Kratos was the leader of an army once. that alone tells me he's smart because it takes brains to lead an army. and it's true that Dante does screw around often, but he seems to know when things are to be taken seriously right from the get-go sometimes.
yeah, I had a feeling that a Blitz really does move at lightning speed, however the thing you mentioned about them being hit by the bullets like that is probably because in game, Dante never misses. from what I can tell when I play DMC4, it looks as if Dante shoots at the spot the Blitz is about to move to, hence why the Blitz can be struck while moving. the only times where they can really get shot though is when they're about to attack you or when they stop for several seconds on the ground.
Originally posted by NemeBroThat Hercules thing seemed more like a leverage feat to me. Lifting and fighting strength don't carry over quite the same either.
Dude, Kratos could physically lift the moon in Majora's Mask while human sized. 😐GoW3 puts his strength at sufficient levels to support the Earth, since he overpowered Hercules, who performed that feat.
Originally posted by danteiscool
and DP, are you sure that Kratos is that fast in combat speed? I remember him dodging lightning once I think, but when it comes to throwing blows, his punches didn't seem very fast, at least in comparison to Dante, Link, or Bayonetta. he can most likely attack faster than Alex though.
He regularly deflects lightning bolts thrown at him. To be fair, according to the God of War novel, Artemis can fire off her arrows faster than Lightning, which is why it could be possible that Zeus' bolts actually travel faster than regular Lightning.
As for his punching speed, there's not much I can say, but again, there's that whole basic attack with the Blades taking about as much time as a Lightning stroke lasts. Hermes' jump kick attack takes about the same amount of time.
Now, as for Dante, I think his best attacking speed feat was that Rain storm feat in the DMC3 Intro, but that is non-canon.
He pulls off something similar when diving down Teme-ni-gru, but that is unquantifiable.
Originally posted by danteiscool
yeah, I had a feeling that a Blitz really does move at lightning speed, however the thing you mentioned about them being hit by the bullets like that is probably because in game, Dante never misses. from what I can tell when I play DMC4, it looks as if Dante shoots at the spot the Blitz is about to move to, hence why the Blitz can be struck while moving. the only times where they can really get shot though is when they're about to attack you or when they stop for several seconds on the ground.
It's a plausible explanation.
I didn't know that about Kratos. I gotta start paying more attention to the games.
hmm... if that's the case with his speed, then shouldn't that make him faster at attacking than anyone on the team opposing him? and since his god form multiplies it by a factor of 6 then he should be able to blitz them without much trouble. but of course Dante in DMC4 is much more powerful than DMC3 and Bayonetta has Witch Time. then again, we have no idea just how much stronger, tougher, and faster Dante is in DMC4 than he was in DMC3 other than the feats he's shown while screwing around and I doubt Bayonetta's WT will help too much.
I disagree. An how is ball lightning a 'really broken power?' At the least its better than full-speed lightning.
Ganon's lightning:
Actual lightning (may be actually be authentic though ;p ):
Ball lightning:
One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong!